Oklahoma may become sovereign

[SMOKE 1,426]

Rant, rant, rant. The truth hurts a bit, I guess?

BTW, there have never been any hanging chads in any state I resided in at the time of federal election; I moved to FL only in mid 2006. The damage was already done at that point. We did much better in 2008.

yes apparently it does....more blame the other guy.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Rant, rant, rant. The truth hurts a bit, I guess?

yes apparently it does...

Your pain will pass, my friend.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Rant, rant, rant. The truth hurts a bit, I guess?

yes apparently it does...

Your pain will pass, my friend.

i have no pain. i am currently on the teat you're paying for. ahh mothers milk so sweet when its free.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Rant, rant, rant. The truth hurts a bit, I guess?

yes apparently it does...

Your pain will pass, my friend.

i have no pain. i am currently on the teat you're paying for. ahh mothers milk so sweet when its free.

Get off my teat!

[Ban Hammer 13,344]

i wonder if there woulda been such an outcry over states doing this while bush was in office.

[Heracles 417]

Civil War 2.0

[Heracles 417]

You know, one would think that all of these states would actually be focusing on improving their dying cities and towns, But nope. Becoming sovereign is the way to go.

[The_Dude 1,142]

i wonder if there woulda been such an outcry over states doing this while bush was in office.

Conservatives

[almaty 19]

a lanfd-locked state with a small population..they will do well

[Danno 1,228]

What we have here are growing fractures in the nation.

The American people are growing more and more divided.

Where all this ends is hard to say but don't underestimate it's possibility.

It's interesting, though, how mostly the takers want to break away. I say let them get a taste of the break-away by not allocating any federal dollar above and beyond what they contribute to the Union and watch them fall back in line real quick.

Define what you mean by "takers".

I think you are hugely mistaken to believe "money" is the root of all motivation.

Consider what issues are most near and dear to your heart, would you be willing to pay more in taxes for these issues?

As I said, why don't the states that want to break loose practice the move by unlatching from Uncle Sam's teat? If it's near and dear to their heart, then I am sure the citizens of such states will embrace the additional tax burden and/or spending reductions the state legislator will impose in preparation of the secession. The bottom line is that I'll take all this secession noise seriously once I see that the good people of Oklahoma and other states ready to leave the union put their money where their mouth is.

Still waiting for you to tell me how you determine which states are takers and which arent?

Counting dollars going to a state is hardly a accurate means as many states like mine for example have military bases and many govt agencies/ facilities. These take a lot of fed dollars to run but only a few communities get a real benefit.

I'm Sure if Jacksonville NC closed up it's doors, not many would cry. (though I do have one or two fond memories from when I was stationed there.)

[alienlovechild 75]

i wonder if there woulda been such an outcry over states doing this while bush was in office.

Seems hyped up considering I don't remember any poll tracking on this 2009 BO (Before Obama). The media wants to make all opposition to Obama as silly as possible thereby making any of his plans look reasonable by comparison.

Edited May 7, 2009 by alienlovechild

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What we have here are growing fractures in the nation.

The American people are growing more and more divided.

Where all this ends is hard to say but don't underestimate it's possibility.

It's interesting, though, how mostly the takers want to break away. I say let them get a taste of the break-away by not allocating any federal dollar above and beyond what they contribute to the Union and watch them fall back in line real quick.

Define what you mean by "takers".

I think you are hugely mistaken to believe "money" is the root of all motivation.

Consider what issues are most near and dear to your heart, would you be willing to pay more in taxes for these issues?

As I said, why don't the states that want to break loose practice the move by unlatching from Uncle Sam's teat? If it's near and dear to their heart, then I am sure the citizens of such states will embrace the additional tax burden and/or spending reductions the state legislator will impose in preparation of the secession. The bottom line is that I'll take all this secession noise seriously once I see that the good people of Oklahoma and other states ready to leave the union put their money where their mouth is.

Still waiting for you to tell me how you determine which states are takers and which arent?

Counting dollars going to a state is hardly a accurate means as many states like mine for example have military bases and many govt agencies/ facilities. These take a lot of fed dollars to run but only a few communities get a real benefit.

I'm Sure if Jacksonville NC closed up it's doors, not many would cry. (though I do have one or two fond memories from when I was stationed there.)

States looking to secede should then work toward the relocation of all federal establishments out of their respective territories. Fat chance of that happening.

[brnidokiegurl 0]

It's really Brni, Charles.

[NatPatBen 3]

I enjoyed Oklahoma during my four years there.

[Ban Hammer 13,344]

It's really Brni, Charles.

so that's the oklahoma panhandles, eh?