Failing relationships

[Brad and Vika 129]

1. If you read my posts, you'd notice that what I wrote, I stated that it was more seen in large cities, not small villages. Please read before you attack. I dont have to have your view or opinion. I see the world as I see it and base MY opinions on it. You can see it as you wish, and those are your opinions, but I'm not wrong because mine differ.

2. Let me prove why you are wrong. You get on here with your made up facts and think you are this RU & US expert. The age gap is not closing in, its widening. And my 75 cents was wrong, gov't says it is 75.5 cents for a mans dollar. Women orgs say its 78cents. Still not close to closing in or small, and since 2005 the gap is widening.

"The workplace pay gap between men and women, once thought to be narrowing, has only been getting worse, according to an analysis of recently released census data conducted by the Institute for Women’s Policy Research. Women make only 75.5 cents for every dollar that men earn, according to a new release by the U.S. Census Bureau."

God...you're really hawt when you're all hot and bothered like this. If you were to run off now and make me a sandwich, you'd be perfect.

Now now mox, why don't you get in the spirit of the thread. You need halupsie, not a sandwich.

[mox 298]

Now now mox, why don't you get in the spirit of the thread. You need halupsie, not a sandwich.

With some kvas to wash it down with.

[Brad and Vika 129]

Now now mox, why don't you get in the spirit of the thread. You need halupsie, not a sandwich.

With some kvas to wash it down with.

Now you've got it

[slim 1,525]

I agree with all of this, and say again that I really like the way the gender roles play out in our relationship (mostly). Also, I really like that flowers, etc. get me BIG points as opposed to placed under suspicion of some wrongdoing. Another example is the home atmosphere. She feels that she is naturally in charge of making the home "cozy", while I am in charge of paying for that. Small price so far for the great return.

Vika does seem to put a huge stock in anything she reads on the internet or a (Russian or Ukrainian) magazine though. I am happy that she doesn't follow Oprah and Dr. Phil. We are eating a fair amount of organic food now, and she informed me that there was so much harmful stuff in the shampoo, toothpaste, makeup (who knew? ) now that we must switch to organic. About once a week she discovers some new threat that will surely kill us both, or goes into a panic assuming that triple polio and cancer are one more "gamburger" away. I try to take it all with a grain of salt, because if nutrasweet really kills you, I am a goner already.

This was a complete process at my house and only now is starting to come around. From day one I've stuck to my guns of "this is America and in America we do it like this. The sooner you can get on board, the better." It's taken over two years but it's finally starting to work.

I still sit here eating my gamburgers and killing myself with all the chemicals and everything else that's bad for me. I'll watch her slap mayo and smetana on her natural veggies and salat, soup, etc.

Tomato, tomahto. It doesn't really matter. (But what's really cool is when she says something like, "I see now you right about....." HOLD THE PRESSES!)

OK, so we're not 100% dimorphic--but there ARE going to be differences. Between American women and Russian men, and Russian women and American men--it's still going to be that chances are, the man will be stronger. Except in cases where the woman is a body-builder or whatever. It's POSSIBLE, but more difficult.

eekee is spot-on and I don't remember myself or anyone making the claim that humans were dimorphic. (Although julianna, you do get +5 for using big words. Almost got me!) What I do remember saying is something to the effect of here in the U.S. there's this basic concept of women "deserving" to do anything a man can do and actually suing over legal rights, etc., when they have no biological or anthropological claim to do so.

At least in Russia when women work as soldiers, police or fire, they do it right!

[Nasturtium 500]

eekee is spot-on and I don't remember myself or anyone making the claim that humans were dimorphic. (Although julianna, you do get +5 for using big words. Almost got me!) What I do remember saying is something to the effect of here in the U.S. there's this basic concept of women "deserving" to do anything a man can do and actually suing over legal rights, etc., when they have no biological or anthropological claim to do so.

At least in Russia when women work as soldiers, police or fire, they do it right!

This is what I had figured you were saying, but that often digresses into the whole dimporphism deal, and people confuse dimporphism with just biological differences which are negligable in the overall of the species. Also, you have sexual selection issues... I thought about this when eekee was talking about her boyfriends. I like men to be taller, broader in shoulders, stronger, etc. Lots of women like this kind of thing, which only contributes to the differences. If we all liked men who were totally wimpy and tiny, we'd see more of that because the tall (hot) guys wouldn't get anyone to reproduce with them. I totally agree with what you're saying in the above. I hate incompetence in any shape or form. I think if someone wants to do something great-- but they should probably be qualified to do it (this does not apply to silly situations of course).

[eekee 182]

eekee is spot-on and I don't remember myself or anyone making the claim that humans were dimorphic. (Although julianna, you do get +5 for using big words. Almost got me!) What I do remember saying is something to the effect of here in the U.S. there's this basic concept of women "deserving" to do anything a man can do and actually suing over legal rights, etc., when they have no biological or anthropological claim to do so.

At least in Russia when women work as soldiers, police or fire, they do it right!

This is what I had figured you were saying, but that often digresses into the whole dimporphism deal, and people confuse dimporphism with just biological differences which are negligable in the overall of the species. Also, you have sexual selection issues... I thought about this when eekee was talking about her boyfriends. I like men to be taller, broader in shoulders, stronger, etc. Lots of women like this kind of thing, which only contributes to the differences. If we all liked men who were totally wimpy and tiny, we'd see more of that because the tall (hot) guys wouldn't get anyone to reproduce with them. I totally agree with what you're saying in the above. I hate incompetence in any shape or form. I think if someone wants to do something great-- but they should probably be qualified to do it (this does not apply to silly situations of course).

No, the only word you could use to describe my boyfriends of yore's body types would be ХУДОЙ--definitely not tall, broad-shouldered muscle men.

But when Russian women work as menti, they don't beat up people the way male ones do, although I'm sure they still take bribes. I've only seen them working in the metro as document checkers etc. Biological dimorphism?

[Nasturtium 500]

eekee is spot-on and I don't remember myself or anyone making the claim that humans were dimorphic. (Although julianna, you do get +5 for using big words. Almost got me!) What I do remember saying is something to the effect of here in the U.S. there's this basic concept of women "deserving" to do anything a man can do and actually suing over legal rights, etc., when they have no biological or anthropological claim to do so.

At least in Russia when women work as soldiers, police or fire, they do it right!

This is what I had figured you were saying, but that often digresses into the whole dimporphism deal, and people confuse dimporphism with just biological differences which are negligable in the overall of the species. Also, you have sexual selection issues... I thought about this when eekee was talking about her boyfriends. I like men to be taller, broader in shoulders, stronger, etc. Lots of women like this kind of thing, which only contributes to the differences. If we all liked men who were totally wimpy and tiny, we'd see more of that because the tall (hot) guys wouldn't get anyone to reproduce with them. I totally agree with what you're saying in the above. I hate incompetence in any shape or form. I think if someone wants to do something great-- but they should probably be qualified to do it (this does not apply to silly situations of course).

No, the only word you could use to describe my boyfriends of yore's body types would be ХУДОЙ--definitely not tall, broad-shouldered muscle men.

But when Russian women work as menti, they don't beat up people the way male ones do, although I'm sure they still take bribes. I've only seen them working in the metro as document checkers etc. Biological dimorphism?

Hi, if you notice I didn't say YOU were doing that but rather that I thought about it when you were speaking.

[eekee 182]

Ahh, I see. I misinterpreted what you were saying.

[Nasturtium 500]

Ahh, I see. I misinterpreted what you were saying.

That's OK I mean we pretty much see it all in every combination, don't we? I am glad for it too-- world would be boring if we all liked the same thing.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Insulting VJ members is against TOS. Offending posts and posts quoting offending posts have been removed.

[mox 298]

Oh dear god, puh-leez. The discussion was about gender roles, and the post was stereotyping gender roles.

Grow some thicker skin Gigii, and shame on you Kathryn for feeding into that nonsense.

[slim 1,525]

There was something offensive in the Russia forum? Is that even possible? I thought this was the one sacred place we could come to handle our business without fear of the PC police storming in and taking away our 1A Rights.

Are we not even allowed to agree to disagree anymore? And sure, offensive speech is not even protected in our Constitution. I get that. But come on. How can you be offended by what someone types on the internet? It's the internet. It's not that serious! If you actually have emotional responses to tiny electrons buzzing on and off rapidly.... get a new hobby. Or be like all the other normal people out there and go enjoy some free pornography then come back a little less interested.

It's not that serious.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

This topic has been closed per the request of the original poster. Thank you for your understanding.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

This thread is open because I made a mistake and closed it incorrectly! Sorry.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

now where was i?

oh yeah