The MENA "Let's discuss religion and our own personal belief" thread

[Leyla 0]

This is one problem I find with the discussion of religion: Everyone believes their religion has the answer.

An example: "The Qur'an/Bible clearly states that __insert info here__." Well the problem is, not everyone reads the same holy book, belongs to the same religion or trusts in some of the sources for that information.

The Bible does clearly states that Jesus was crucified.

The Qur'an clearly states that Jesus was NOT crucified.

So where do we find out information? Where can we get the truth? I mean... putting religious beliefs aside is there such a source of information?

It's frustrating.

[sara..... 371]

This is one problem I find with the discussion of religion: Everyone believes their religion has the answer.

An example: "The Qur'an/Bible clearly states that __insert info here__." Well the problem is, not everyone reads the same holy book, belongs to the same religion or trusts in some of the sources for that information.

The Bible does clearly states that Jesus was crucified.

The Qur'an clearly states that Jesus was NOT crucified.

So where do we find out information? Where can we get the truth? I mean... putting religious beliefs aside is there such a source of information?

It's frustrating.

ur right it is hard i guess the best we can do is listen to what others say and research and find what we feel ourself is the right way yup sounds odd coming from a muslim, but i think each person had to make the choice them self religion can not be forced

sara

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

This is one problem I find with the discussion of religion: Everyone believes their religion has the answer.

An example: "The Qur'an/Bible clearly states that __insert info here__." Well the problem is, not everyone reads the same holy book, belongs to the same religion or trusts in some of the sources for that information.

The Bible does clearly states that Jesus was crucified.

The Qur'an clearly states that Jesus was NOT crucified.

So where do we find out information? Where can we get the truth? I mean... putting religious beliefs aside is there such a source of information?

It's frustrating.

ur right it is hard i guess the best we can do is listen to what others say and research and find what we feel ourself is the right way yup sounds odd coming from a muslim, but i think each person had to make the choice them self religion can not be forced

sara

I believe that GOD is very personal and knowing. He speaks to me and I read His Word and pray(speak) to Him. Its a personal relationship I have with my LORD. I would suggest that you start by searching for Truth and ask GOD to reveal Himself to you.

I do agree that each person has to make a choice for themselves and that religion can not and should not be forced, even though alot of times in all religious circumstances it is. I am not a religious person, I am a Christian woman that has a relationship with my GOD.

[Staashi 371]

This is one problem I find with the discussion of religion: Everyone believes their religion has the answer.

An example: "The Qur'an/Bible clearly states that __insert info here__." Well the problem is, not everyone reads the same holy book, belongs to the same religion or trusts in some of the sources for that information.

The Bible does clearly states that Jesus was crucified.

The Qur'an clearly states that Jesus was NOT crucified.

So where do we find out information? Where can we get the truth? I mean... putting religious beliefs aside is there such a source of information?

It's frustrating.

Actually, historically, there are records of Jesus' crucifixion...he was charged with sedition against the Roman Empire by Pontius Pilate.

[Henna Rose 0]

This is one problem I find with the discussion of religion: Everyone believes their religion has the answer.

So where do we find out information? Where can we get the truth? I mean... putting religious beliefs aside is there such a source of information?

It's frustrating.

Since we are human, I believe some things we simply will not understand while on this earth. This is where our personal faith comes in. Do I fully understand pain, suffering, and death ? NO Yet it does not keep me from believing. It can be frustrating at times. Growing up Catholic and guilt-ridden, I did not have a personal relationship with God. We had religion, rules and priests to answer to. (Not an attack on Catholicism, this was just my experience!)

I know there is a God, sure as I can feel him in the mountains and the beauty of nature or when the Holy Spirit stirs in my soul and directs my path. So far as getting "the truth" look inside your heart, God is so much bigger than man-made legalistic rules we must follow. People get so hung up on their religion and beliefs sometimes we forget about just treating people loving, kind and being a blessing to them when we can. I love that Joan Osbourne song, "What if God was one of us?"

[Leyla 0]

This is one problem I find with the discussion of religion: Everyone believes their religion has the answer.

An example: "The Qur'an/Bible clearly states that __insert info here__." Well the problem is, not everyone reads the same holy book, belongs to the same religion or trusts in some of the sources for that information.

The Bible does clearly states that Jesus was crucified.

The Qur'an clearly states that Jesus was NOT crucified.

So where do we find out information? Where can we get the truth? I mean... putting religious beliefs aside is there such a source of information?

It's frustrating.

Actually, historically, there are records of Jesus' crucifixion...he was charged with sedition against the Roman Empire by Pontius Pilate.

But the Qur'an and Islamic tradition (As far as I was told) states that it was made to appear to the Romans that they killed Jesus.

"And because they disbelieved and uttered a terrible slander against Mary, and said, "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God." (They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him-- God raised him up to Himself. God is almighty and wise. There is not one of the People of the Book who will not believe in [Jesus] before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them)."

The story goes: There was a last dinner of sorts and Jesus said that one of his followers would be the victim of his own betrayal. (not that one of them will betray him). So, then the story goes on to say that when Judas entered the place where Jesus was (to have him arrested) God took Jesus, and made Judas appear as if he was Jesus. So when the Romans came in and asked which man was Jesus, they were pointed to Judas and they crucified him. (the victim of his own betrayal).

So here we are again in a "he said, she said" tug of war.

I respect everyone's right to their own belief and I am not judging any of you or anyone for what they believe. I am just pointing out that (in this case) Christianity has the answer for Islam and Islam has the answer for Christianity.

I've searched the internet and found websites that are Christian, dedicated to showing verses in the Qur'an that disprove Islam or verses that contradict other verses. Also, I've seen Islamic sites that show Bible verses that contradict each other and show Qur'anic verses that prove Christianity wrong.

I don't know why this bothers me because I don't stake a claim to any of these religions. I guess I think its strange that the same message of God has been distorted (on what end it's been distorted I don't know....) and all these people/religions that claim to be from the same God argue so much over a message that is supposed to be the same.

I don't know..... I'm still frustrated about that. I just wonder (again) if there is a common ground?

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

and all these people/religions that claim to be from the same God argue so much over a message that is supposed to be the same.

I didnt think the religions agreed on the same God. Since Jesus is God to the Christians and Muslims do not accept this then clearly we do not have the same God.

[sara..... 371]

and all these people/religions that claim to be from the same God argue so much over a message that is supposed to be the same.

I didnt think the religions agreed on the same God. Since Jesus is God to the Christians and Muslims do not accept this then clearly we do not have the same God.

that would be wrong of course its the same God, its no different than when my nationality calls God Dios, or any other language calls him by his name in their language. its all the same God, we say Allah u say God, most spanish say Dios.

same god different languages

sara

and all these people/religions that claim to be from the same God argue so much over a message that is supposed to be the same.

I didnt think the religions agreed on the same God. Since Jesus is God to the Christians and Muslims do not accept this then clearly we do not have the same God.

that would be wrong of course its the same God, its no different than when my nationality calls God Dios, or any other language calls him by his name in their language. its all the same God, we say Allah u say God, most spanish say Dios.

same god different languages

sara

omgosh i miss read that im so sorry, really i mean do Christians think that jesus is God?

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

omgosh i miss read that im so sorry, really i mean do Christians think that jesus is God?

Yes, we do. That is what I was trying to point out.

I know that all "languages" say words differently but I referring to WHO He (GOD) is, that is what Christians and Muslims do not agree on. So, we do not agree on the same God.

Edited May 7, 2009 by TamaraLovesAdam

[sara..... 371]

i dont know about anyone else but im learning a lot from what is posted more than i would ever have known with out this thread. its not up to any of us to decide who is right or who is wrong but it does give us a very small glimpse of the difference's between some of the religions.

i really still hope that someone that is Amish or some other religion that we have not heard from as of yet comes in and post so that we can learn some of their believes as well.

sara

[sandinista! 1,816]

and all these people/religions that claim to be from the same God argue so much over a message that is supposed to be the same.

I didnt think the religions agreed on the same God. Since Jesus is God to the Christians and Muslims do not accept this then clearly we do not have the same God.

do you purport to not have the same God as the God jews worship as well?

[Nagishkaw 510]

This is one problem I find with the discussion of religion: Everyone believes their religion has the answer.

An example: "The Qur'an/Bible clearly states that __insert info here__." Well the problem is, not everyone reads the same holy book, belongs to the same religion or trusts in some of the sources for that information.

The Bible does clearly states that Jesus was crucified.

The Qur'an clearly states that Jesus was NOT crucified.

So where do we find out information? Where can we get the truth? I mean... putting religious beliefs aside is there such a source of information?

It's frustrating.

ur right it is hard i guess the best we can do is listen to what others say and research and find what we feel ourself is the right way yup sounds odd coming from a muslim, but i think each person had to make the choice them self religion can not be forced

sara

I believe that GOD is very personal and knowing. He speaks to me and I read His Word and pray(speak) to Him. Its a personal relationship I have with my LORD. I would suggest that you start by searching for Truth and ask GOD to reveal Himself to you.

I do agree that each person has to make a choice for themselves and that religion can not and should not be forced, even though alot of times in all religious circumstances it is. I am not a religious person, I am a Christian woman that has a relationship with my GOD.

Very well said, Tamara. My exact thoughts.

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

and all these people/religions that claim to be from the same God argue so much over a message that is supposed to be the same.

I didnt think the religions agreed on the same God. Since Jesus is God to the Christians and Muslims do not accept this then clearly we do not have the same God.

do you purport to not have the same God as the God jews worship as well?

well... Since Jesus is GOD to the Christians.... and Jews do not accept this, then we do not worship the same GOD.

I will also add: all 3 religions believe there is a God and all 3 groups believe differently about God (concerning WHO He is.

Edited May 7, 2009 by TamaraLovesAdam

[Leyla 0]

The God is the same God that spoke Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, and all the old testament prophets. Muslims believe that too. So do Jews. I don't think that just because Jews and Muslims don't believe that Jesus was God that that means we all worship a different God. I mean... we all believed in the same God up until that point... it's not like he split up into 3 separate gods just to fit each religion.

(not trying to offend... jut making a point....)

[~PalmTreeGurl~ 154]

The God is the same God that spoke Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, and all the old testament prophets. Muslims believe that too. So do Jews. I don't think that just because Jews and Muslims don't believe that Jesus was God that that means we all worship a different God. I mean... we all believed in the same God up until that point... it's not like he split up into 3 separate gods just to fit each religion.

(not trying to offend... jut making a point....)

food for thought: If we all believed in the same God up until that point... then what God did everyone start believing in after that point? Because God changes not, He is the same yesterday, today and forever. He was and is and forever will be. And honestly, it seems to me that people try to make "God" fit into each religion. Instead of finding out truth of Who God is.