Catholics attack Dan Brown film Angels and Demons

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

BUt we already HAVE censorship in movie making.

By now attacking the Catholic Church should be well... boring (it would seem).

Where are the Movies attacking Islam?

Even the Atheistic Jews in Hollywood won't attack their parents faith, depicting is as evil... root and branch?

No, even with, current events and history begging for these themes to be mined..... they hardly are.

* I'm not really suggesting I want any faith bashed, just pointing out there is a glaring hypocrisy going on here.

Probably because Hollywood makes movies with a predominantly western political world view (for obvious, pragamatic reasons).

Its not terribly difficult to understand. And in case you are wondering there are a dime a dozen trash military fiction thrillers about Islamic terrorism - not to mention some pretty well known movies that deal with international ("islamic") terrorism. Want me to point you in the direction of a few?

The only hypocrisy going on is in your mind.

Yes please point out a few big budget ones.

For starters we will see how big their advertisement budget was.

What do you honestly think that will prove?

A bestselling book gets a movie deal - its not that hard to understand. People bought several print runs worth of Dan Brown's books.

Yeah, all thats interesting but you did not give me the list of major motion pictures done blasting Islam (and who stared as Muhammad).

Wait a sec Danno - *you* haven't established what major motion pictures are blasting Christianity. Angels and Demons certainly doesn't and I've read the book...

[Heracles 417]

What do you honestly think that will prove?

A bestselling book gets a movie deal - its not that hard to understand. People bought several print runs worth of Dan Brown's books.

Would you sing the same tune if the best selling book was about gay individuals having defective genes? The author could claim it's 'fictional' too. Once again such moronic responses reinforce my earlier point.

Here is an example of best seller books and the response from some here:

Religion, a crock of sh-t, which only imbeciles follow = acceptable. Great read. Freedom of speech bla bla bla

Being gay is linked to defective genes =

Edited May 5, 2009 by Constellation

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What do you honestly think that will prove?

A bestselling book gets a movie deal - its not that hard to understand. People bought several print runs worth of Dan Brown's books.

Would you sing the same tune if the best selling book was about gay individuals having defective genes? The author could claim it's 'fictional' too. Once again such moronic responses reinforce my earlier point.

Here is an example of best seller books and the response from some here:

Religion, a crock of sh-t, which only imbeciles follow = acceptable. Great read. Freedom of speech bla bla bla

Being gay is linked to defective genes =

Angels & Demons doesn't make any of the claims you are alleging. So your counterpoint is bogus.

As I said - I think its a badly written novel, but that doesn't have anything to do with "disparaging" Christianity or the Catholic Church.

[Heracles 417]

Angels & Demons doesn't make any of the claims you are alleging. So your counterpoint is bogus.

As I said - I think its a badly written novel, but that doesn't have anything to do with "disparaging" Christianity or the Catholic Church.

I know that and not denying it.

I am referring to the double standard responses (reactions) by some.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Angels & Demons doesn't make any of the claims you are alleging. So your counterpoint is bogus.

As I said - I think its a badly written novel, but that doesn't have anything to do with "disparaging" Christianity or the Catholic Church.

I know that and not denying it.

I am referring to the double standard responses (reactions) by some.

Len's point was that anyone who feels that their faith has been shaken by watching a movie probably didn't have a very strong faith to begin with.

Not hard to understand. And no hint of a double standard.

[Danno 1,228]

BUt we already HAVE censorship in movie making.

By now attacking the Catholic Church should be well... boring (it would seem).

Where are the Movies attacking Islam?

Even the Atheistic Jews in Hollywood won't attack their parents faith, depicting is as evil... root and branch?

No, even with, current events and history begging for these themes to be mined..... they hardly are.

* I'm not really suggesting I want any faith bashed, just pointing out there is a glaring hypocrisy going on here.

Probably because Hollywood makes movies with a predominantly western political world view (for obvious, pragamatic reasons).

Its not terribly difficult to understand. And in case you are wondering there are a dime a dozen trash military fiction thrillers about Islamic terrorism - not to mention some pretty well known movies that deal with international ("islamic") terrorism. Want me to point you in the direction of a few?

The only hypocrisy going on is in your mind.

Yes please point out a few big budget ones.

For starters we will see how big their advertisement budget was.

What do you honestly think that will prove?

A bestselling book gets a movie deal - its not that hard to understand. People bought several print runs worth of Dan Brown's books.

Yeah, all thats interesting but you did not give me the list of major motion pictures done blasting Islam (and who stared as Muhammad).

Wait a sec Danno - *you* haven't established what major motion pictures are blasting Christianity. Angels and Demons certainly doesn't and I've read the book...

Tell you what we will do, I'll give you one and then you offer me a movie that was offensive to Muslims?

LAST TEMP OF CHRIST

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

BUt we already HAVE censorship in movie making.

By now attacking the Catholic Church should be well... boring (it would seem).

Where are the Movies attacking Islam?

Even the Atheistic Jews in Hollywood won't attack their parents faith, depicting is as evil... root and branch?

No, even with, current events and history begging for these themes to be mined..... they hardly are.

* I'm not really suggesting I want any faith bashed, just pointing out there is a glaring hypocrisy going on here.

Probably because Hollywood makes movies with a predominantly western political world view (for obvious, pragamatic reasons).

Its not terribly difficult to understand. And in case you are wondering there are a dime a dozen trash military fiction thrillers about Islamic terrorism - not to mention some pretty well known movies that deal with international ("islamic") terrorism. Want me to point you in the direction of a few?

The only hypocrisy going on is in your mind.

Yes please point out a few big budget ones.

For starters we will see how big their advertisement budget was.

What do you honestly think that will prove?

A bestselling book gets a movie deal - its not that hard to understand. People bought several print runs worth of Dan Brown's books.

Yeah, all thats interesting but you did not give me the list of major motion pictures done blasting Islam (and who stared as Muhammad).

Wait a sec Danno - *you* haven't established what major motion pictures are blasting Christianity. Angels and Demons certainly doesn't and I've read the book...

Tell you what we will do, I'll give you one and then you offer me a movie that was offensive to Muslims?

LAST TEMP OF CHRIST

300

Not that this proves a great deal Danno - but what exactly is your point with this? It hasn't been established that Angels and Demons is offensive to Christians, as much as it offends the sensibilities of a few priests in the establishment of the Catholic Church.

Edited May 5, 2009 by Private Pike

[Danno 1,228]

BUt we already HAVE censorship in movie making.

By now attacking the Catholic Church should be well... boring (it would seem).

Where are the Movies attacking Islam?

Even the Atheistic Jews in Hollywood won't attack their parents faith, depicting is as evil... root and branch?

No, even with, current events and history begging for these themes to be mined..... they hardly are.

* I'm not really suggesting I want any faith bashed, just pointing out there is a glaring hypocrisy going on here.

Probably because Hollywood makes movies with a predominantly western political world view (for obvious, pragamatic reasons).

Its not terribly difficult to understand. And in case you are wondering there are a dime a dozen trash military fiction thrillers about Islamic terrorism - not to mention some pretty well known movies that deal with international ("islamic") terrorism. Want me to point you in the direction of a few?

The only hypocrisy going on is in your mind.

Yes please point out a few big budget ones.

For starters we will see how big their advertisement budget was.

What do you honestly think that will prove?

A bestselling book gets a movie deal - its not that hard to understand. People bought several print runs worth of Dan Brown's books.

Yeah, all thats interesting but you did not give me the list of major motion pictures done blasting Islam (and who stared as Muhammad).

Wait a sec Danno - *you* haven't established what major motion pictures are blasting Christianity. Angels and Demons certainly doesn't and I've read the book...

Tell you what we will do, I'll give you one and then you offer me a movie that was offensive to Muslims?

LAST TEMP OF CHRIST

300

Not that this proves a great deal Danno - but what exactly is your point with this? It hasn't been established that Angels and Demons is offensive to Christians, as much as it offends the sensibilities of a few priests in the establishment of the Catholic Church.

300??

That was offensive to Islam?

Thats the best you can do?

I think you made my point as well as I did.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

BUt we already HAVE censorship in movie making.

By now attacking the Catholic Church should be well... boring (it would seem).

Where are the Movies attacking Islam?

Even the Atheistic Jews in Hollywood won't attack their parents faith, depicting is as evil... root and branch?

No, even with, current events and history begging for these themes to be mined..... they hardly are.

* I'm not really suggesting I want any faith bashed, just pointing out there is a glaring hypocrisy going on here.

Probably because Hollywood makes movies with a predominantly western political world view (for obvious, pragamatic reasons).

Its not terribly difficult to understand. And in case you are wondering there are a dime a dozen trash military fiction thrillers about Islamic terrorism - not to mention some pretty well known movies that deal with international ("islamic") terrorism. Want me to point you in the direction of a few?

The only hypocrisy going on is in your mind.

Yes please point out a few big budget ones.

For starters we will see how big their advertisement budget was.

What do you honestly think that will prove?

A bestselling book gets a movie deal - its not that hard to understand. People bought several print runs worth of Dan Brown's books.

Yeah, all thats interesting but you did not give me the list of major motion pictures done blasting Islam (and who stared as Muhammad).

Wait a sec Danno - *you* haven't established what major motion pictures are blasting Christianity. Angels and Demons certainly doesn't and I've read the book...

Tell you what we will do, I'll give you one and then you offer me a movie that was offensive to Muslims?

LAST TEMP OF CHRIST

300

Not that this proves a great deal Danno - but what exactly is your point with this? It hasn't been established that Angels and Demons is offensive to Christians, as much as it offends the sensibilities of a few priests in the establishment of the Catholic Church.

300??

That was offensive to Islam?

Thats the best you can do?

I think you made my point as well as I did.

Is The Last Temptation of Christ the best you can do Danno? If you're going to dismiss the examples out of hand - there's not a lot of point in playing this game with you (not that there was a point in the first place). You asked for an example and I gave you one. '300' was subject to a lot of criticism for its portrayal of the Persian Empire.

You can deny it all you like. It doesn't change anything.

[Scott & Lai 12]

BUt we already HAVE censorship in movie making.

By now attacking the Catholic Church should be well... boring (it would seem).

Where are the Movies attacking Islam?

Even the Atheistic Jews in Hollywood won't attack their parents faith, depicting is as evil... root and branch?

No, even with, current events and history begging for these themes to be mined..... they hardly are.

* I'm not really suggesting I want any faith bashed, just pointing out there is a glaring hypocrisy going on here.

Probably because Hollywood makes movies with a predominantly western political world view (for obvious, pragamatic reasons).

Its not terribly difficult to understand. And in case you are wondering there are a dime a dozen trash military fiction thrillers about Islamic terrorism - not to mention some pretty well known movies that deal with international ("islamic") terrorism. Want me to point you in the direction of a few?

The only hypocrisy going on is in your mind.

Yes please point out a few big budget ones.

For starters we will see how big their advertisement budget was.

What do you honestly think that will prove?

A bestselling book gets a movie deal - its not that hard to understand. People bought several print runs worth of Dan Brown's books.

Yeah, all thats interesting but you did not give me the list of major motion pictures done blasting Islam (and who stared as Muhammad).

Wait a sec Danno - *you* haven't established what major motion pictures are blasting Christianity. Angels and Demons certainly doesn't and I've read the book...

Tell you what we will do, I'll give you one and then you offer me a movie that was offensive to Muslims?

LAST TEMP OF CHRIST

300

Not that this proves a great deal Danno - but what exactly is your point with this? It hasn't been established that Angels and Demons is offensive to Christians, as much as it offends the sensibilities of a few priests in the establishment of the Catholic Church.

300??

That was offensive to Islam?

Thats the best you can do?

I think you made my point as well as I did.

Is The Last Temptation of Christ the best you can do Danno? If you're going to dismiss the examples out of hand - there's not a lot of point in playing this game with you (not that there was a point in the first place). You asked for an example and I gave you one. '300' was subject to a lot of criticism for its portrayal of the Persian Empire.

You can deny it all you like. It doesn't change anything.

The battle of Thermopylae happened over a thousand years before Mohammed and the founding of Islam.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The battle of Thermopylae happened over a thousand years before Mohammed and the founding of Islam.

Yeah! The Zorasters have a right to be upset, not the Muslims!

[scandal 951]

Even the Atheistic Jews in Hollywood won't attack their parents faith, depicting is as evil... root and branch?

Hmmm... Can we get back to this ?

Speaking as an Atheistic Jew (sic) ... I'm offended !! I'm offended!!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The battle of Thermopylae happened over a thousand years before Mohammed and the founding of Islam.

Guess what Scott.

1. I am well aware of this.

2. It is neither here nor there in relation to what we're talking about.

While the events depicted in the movie predate Islam, the movie was made in 2007 and there are identifiable subtexts in there that relate to the present day. Its not the first time that history has been hijacked and twisted to fit the sensibilities of a contemporary audience.

There are subtexts in 300 that relate to the present day and depicting someones ancestors as barely human beastmen is not only inaccurate but historically defamatory.

This is, of course, also beside the point as Danno seems to be under the impression that a movie must somehow be universally offensive to a religious group to be considered in his silly interpretation on this latest "controversy" about Angels and Demons.

300 wasn't offensive to all Muslims, just as the last temptation of Christ, or indeed the passion of the Christ was offensive to *all* Christians and *all* Jews. Quite what should be drawn from this is beyond me (perhaps you can fill in the blanks).

Perhaps what he's complaining about is why our western centric movie making establishment doesn't make "serious" (as opposed to "offensive" films) about other religions.

It isn't really very difficult to fathom, nor is it some sort of conspiracy. In fact it bears pointing out that major movies that deal with theological subjects aren't exactly plentiful as it is and a I can think of perhaps 3 in the last 30 years.

So again, quite what point Danno is trying to make here hasn't been very well established.

There are of course far more movies that address other cultures in ways that appear dismissive and Hollywood really hasn't moved very far beyond where it was when the only roles native Americans could get were as cannon fodder or sidekicks to John Wayne.

Edited May 5, 2009 by Private Pike

[almaty 19]

Even the Atheistic Jews in Hollywood won't attack their parents faith, depicting is as evil... root and branch?

Hmmm... Can we get back to this ?

Speaking as an Atheistic Jew (sic) ... I'm offended !! I'm offended!!

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I don't know why the church or anybody gets bent out of shape by Dan Brown stories, which are essentially Scooby Doo mysteries for sudoku fans

So very right.