Immigrants push for reforms at rallies across U.S.

[Heracles 417]

In Miami, more than 300 minority rights activists joined with union officials in one of the first local immigration rallies to be endorsed by the AFL-CIO.

####### like this this is what gets me mad and is why I am starting to hate on the dam country and call people dumb. Union officials and the left wing government back in AUS are the ones who are so adamant about stopping illegal immigration, as they realize that illegal immigration suppresses wages and opportunities for their members, that is, blue collar workers. Whereas in the states, low paid union workers actually support illegal immigrants. That is just moronic. You regularly see on the news in AUS union officials with ICE equivalent departments raiding work sites of businesses suspected of hiring illegal immigrants. End result, Australia's blue collar workers are one of the highest paid in the world. Why is it that unions and all of these over educated liberal scholars fail to make the connection here? No brainer in Europe and Australia.

It also kills me that people defend illegal immigrants and call others racist when they know for a fact that the majority are coming from one particular country. Why should one race have the option and the self given right to enter another country, while everyone else has to do it the proper way or miss out? In some cases even die waiting. Promoting equality and diversity is one of the reasons for a legal immigration system. One which gives everyone, including many of us here, a shot at immigration.

I have said this 100 times before and I will say it again. Either the rest of the developed world is wrong and dumb for being so stringent on illegal immigrants or the pro-illegal alien crowd in America is wrong. This has nothing to do with being anti-brown or any other rhetoric bull #######. This has everything to do with abiding by a nations immigration laws as well as the fact that there are millions or Americans who have lost their jobs and homes. Americans who are begging for work in their own country.

Therefore, what right does an illegal alien, in such times, have to take any job from an American? I sure as hell do not believe that Americans now living in tents or the streets would not take up a particular job; like a job in construction, manual labor or the agricultural field.

Edited May 3, 2009 by Constellation

[Heracles 417]

How can someone help but notice the obvious?

How can someone also ignore the fact that the liberal media tries oh so hard to refer to illegal aliens as "immigrants" when they are really criminals that break a whole laundry list of US laws in addition to unauthorized entry and illegal presence. These are not immigration rallies, but are really a criminals' convention.

As far your comment about the Mexicans...when nearly 60% of the illegal aliens are from Mexico what do you expect?

We don't need yet another immigration reform...we need to start enforcing the laws passed during the last 2 immigration reforms. That really would be real reform.

I think this is falling on deaf ears here. Maybe once America becomes a third world country, as recently forecasted by some, people will finally wake up. Pro activeness is just not an American trait. Hence 9/11, Pearl Habor, Great depression, etc etc. Unfortunately by then it's too late.

If anyone thinks that this does not affect them because, for example, they are white collar workers or just ignorant, well I hate to be the bearer of bad news but most third world countries have your mega rich and dirt poor people in them. Which is where America is heading. People can beat on about corporations, minimum wage, worker exploitation all they like but the fact is that you cannot have a high or even decent standard of living when you have a limitless flow of cheap as chips labor pool. AKA as illegal immigrants. We can condemn large corporations all we like but 1 in 2 Americans is employed by small businesses. Who do people think they are going to hire. Some American or legal resident they have to legitimately spend $20 or $30 per hour on, or some illegal immigrant they can pay $5 or $10 an hour. Hence why so many first world countries have such strict laws, proactive policing and hefty fines for employers who work the system and short-change the country and its people in the name of a profit.

What I don't get is how anyone can champion on about illegal immigrants yet at the same time claim we are doing nothing for the poor and minorities already in America. You cannot have your cake and eat it. We either help the millions of poor people in this country, who desperately need it, or we abandon these people and help the poor of one particular neighboring nation. I don't know about them but I prefer we help our own people first before we even begin, even think about, helping others. That's just me though, well, and the rest of the developed world; Including socialist countries who are renowned for, you know, being socially (people) oriented before profits. Once our people are taken care of, only then can and should we begin to look at loosening the flow for other unskilled individuals. Something that is common sense and the norm abroad.

[peejay 327]

In Miami, more than 300 minority rights activists joined with union officials in one of the first local immigration rallies to be endorsed by the AFL-CIO.

####### like this this is what gets me mad and is why I am starting to hate on the dam country and call people dumb. Union officials and the left wing government back in AUS are the ones who are so adamant about stopping illegal immigration, as they realize that illegal immigration suppresses wages and opportunities for their members, that is, blue collar workers. Whereas in the states, low paid union workers actually support illegal immigrants. That is just moronic. You regularly see on the news in AUS union officials with ICE equivalent departments raiding work sites of businesses suspected of hiring illegal immigrants. End result, Australia's blue collar workers are one of the highest paid in the world. Why is it that unions and all of these over educated liberal scholars fail to make the connection here? No brainer in Europe and Australia.

It also kills me that people defend illegal immigrants and call others racist when they know for a fact that the majority are coming from one particular country. Why should one race have the option and the self given right to enter another country, while everyone else has to do it the proper way or miss out? In some cases even die waiting. Promoting equality and diversity is one of the reasons for a legal immigration system. One which gives everyone, including many of us here, a shot at immigration.

I have said this 100 times before and I will say it again. Either the rest of the developed world is wrong and dumb for being so stringent on illegal immigrants or the pro-illegal alien crowd in America is wrong. This has nothing to do with being anti-brown or any other rhetoric bull #######. This has everything to do with abiding by a nations immigration laws as well as the fact that there are millions or Americans who have lost their jobs and homes. Americans who are begging for work in their own country.

Therefore, what right does an illegal alien, in such times, have to take any job from an American? I sure as hell do not believe that Americans now living in tents or the streets would not take up a particular job; like a job in construction, manual labor or the agricultural field.

What many don't or won't understand is that the union leadership in the office is just as slimy as CEO's that exploit illegal labor. These union officials only care about union dues in their coffers. That is what card check and the illegal alien lovefest is all about to them. More greed and corruption at work here. What else is new?

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

Notice that anything the pertains to immigration rallys are mostly illegal Mexicans.

exactly

Pedroh is going to be mad at you.

i'll distract him by getting him a pygmy goat.

[john & jean 37]

Notice that anything the pertains to immigration rallys are mostly illegal Mexicans.

exactly

Pedroh is going to be mad at you.

i'll distract him by getting him a pygmy goat.

BOSCO will be jealous

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

same gang. same story. same circle jerk.

move on folks. nothing new here.

Daniel

[alienlovechild 75]

It also kills me that people defend illegal immigrants and call others racist when they know for a fact that the majority are coming from one particular country. Why should one race have the option and the self given right to enter another country, while everyone else has to do it the proper way or miss out? In some cases even die waiting. Promoting equality and diversity is one of the reasons for a legal immigration system. One which gives everyone, including many of us here, a shot at immigration.

A lot of it has to do with equating the current wave of illegals from Mexico as being the same as the early 1900s legal immigrants mostly from southern and eastern Europe. The Great Wave of immigration is covered in textbooks but the wave of Mexicans since 1982 has been way out of proportion to other nationalities yet in the name of "diversity" we have to make other immigrants stay in longer legal lines.

With Obama in the White House it's obvious he's going to give amnesty to millions of new Democratic voters, I mean former illegal immigrants. We'll also have to accept their relatives in Mexico with chain immigration and a continued wave of new illegals. There'll be no change until the U.S. economy gets so bad that there are no new jobs and Mexico seems a better choice. Meanwhile, the very word "illegal" is scrubbed by articles like this one and everyone knows why.

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

same gang. same story. same circle jerk.

move on folks. nothing new here.

Daniel

and the same aiders and abettors with the same refusal to admit it's bad for america.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

same gang. same story. same circle jerk.

move on folks. nothing new here.

Daniel

and the same aiders and abettors with the same refusal to admit it's bad for america.

word

[scandal 951]

same gang. same story. same circle jerk.

move on folks. nothing new here.

Daniel

and the same aiders and abettors with the same refusal to admit it's bad for america.

Oh boy will I regret this. Regretting it as I write.

I'd venture that most Americans .. north of 80, 90, 95% ... think it's WRONG for people to enter and stay in the country illegally. We should have better border controls, and we should have effective deportation mechanisms for those caught here illegally.

But.

The estimate is that there are currently over 12 million people in the country illegally now. They're not all over the southern border. Many are visa overstays who flew in on planes not over land borders and were legally admitted at POEs and just never left.

From a very practical standpoint, just what would you propose to do about them? I know the pat answer is "DEPORT!". Ok. So that means ICE roundups of 12,000,000 people from every city, town and village in all 50 states. That means processing, judicial reviews and appeals, detention and administration staff, buses and planes. You would basically occupy every law enforcement agency and government bureaucracy in the country zealously pursuing this goal, and not doing all of the other important tasks we want these agencies to do.

So, if deporting 12 million people is not practical, what is? Do you really want them in the shadows, driving cars on the roads that they can't get registered or insured? Driving without a license? Coz they're gonna drive whether you license them or not.

Do you really want to deny them health coverage, so they swarm into Emergency rooms for 10X cost of treatment, since there's no other place to get care?

I'm not saying they should just get a pass. Heck, here I am trying my darndest to get my fiancee legally into the country. I PERSONALLY feel the outrage and affront of knowing that in the 8 months that we've been waiting - and are still waiting - for our K1, just how many thousands of illegals have entered the country and are here right now!

This is a tough situation. It needs a sophisticated, strategic response. "Amnesty" is obviously wrong. "Mass deportations" are obviously wrong. Somewhere between the two is a policy that recognizes America's needs and the practical realities of the matter. I'm not saying I know what that policy is, but I get tired of listening to the yahoos on the extremes of these debates.

[mawilson 2,133]

With a nearly 10% unemployment rate, are they still making the (old and tired) argument that these

so-called "immigrants" are here for the jobs that Americans won't do?

There are no jobs that Americans won't do, only jobs that Americans won't do for paltry wages.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

same gang. same story. same circle jerk.

move on folks. nothing new here.

Daniel

Why do you hate America?

[Heracles 417]

same gang. same story. same circle jerk.

move on folks. nothing new here.

Daniel

and the same aiders and abettors with the same refusal to admit it's bad for America.

word

Of course. Same old rubbish rhetoric. They really have nothing to say.

I would have more respect for them if they just came and out and said, "hey I don't care about America or Americans, as long as illegal immigrants are doing well." Rather, they prefer to pretend this is some sort of racist conspiracy against Mexicans and use it to continue getting their way. They know that when you cry race you usually get your way in America. Whereas everyone else abroad would laugh in their faces. Hence, why they don't bother going to countries. Countries which not only have a shortage of skilled labor but pay 10 times better too.

Obviously they would have to migrate legally anywhere else. As well as wait their turn, just like everyone else from around the world wishing to migrate to a new country. Whereas, here they can just push every other race out of the way and jump the line, at their own discretion. Then cry murder (racism) the second anyone with half a brain catches them out.

Edited May 3, 2009 by Constellation

[peejay 327]

same gang. same story. same circle jerk.

move on folks. nothing new here.

Daniel

and the same aiders and abettors with the same refusal to admit it's bad for america.

Oh boy will I regret this. Regretting it as I write.

I'd venture that most Americans .. north of 80, 90, 95% ... think it's WRONG for people to enter and stay in the country illegally. We should have better border controls, and we should have effective deportation mechanisms for those caught here illegally.

But.

The estimate is that there are currently over 12 million people in the country illegally now. They're not all over the southern border. Many are visa overstays who flew in on planes not over land borders and were legally admitted at POEs and just never left.

From a very practical standpoint, just what would you propose to do about them? I know the pat answer is "DEPORT!". Ok. So that means ICE roundups of 12,000,000 people from every city, town and village in all 50 states. That means processing, judicial reviews and appeals, detention and administration staff, buses and planes. You would basically occupy every law enforcement agency and government bureaucracy in the country zealously pursuing this goal, and not doing all of the other important tasks we want these agencies to do.

So, if deporting 12 million people is not practical, what is? Do you really want them in the shadows, driving cars on the roads that they can't get registered or insured? Driving without a license? Coz they're gonna drive whether you license them or not.

Do you really want to deny them health coverage, so they swarm into Emergency rooms for 10X cost of treatment, since there's no other place to get care?

I'm not saying they should just get a pass. Heck, here I am trying my darndest to get my fiancee legally into the country. I PERSONALLY feel the outrage and affront of knowing that in the 8 months that we've been waiting - and are still waiting - for our K1, just how many thousands of illegals have entered the country and are here right now!

This is a tough situation. It needs a sophisticated, strategic response. "Amnesty" is obviously wrong. "Mass deportations" are obviously wrong. Somewhere between the two is a policy that recognizes America's needs and the practical realities of the matter. I'm not saying I know what that policy is, but I get tired of listening to the yahoos on the extremes of these debates.

How many times does it have to be stated that mass deportations are not necessary nor is illegal alien amnesty #8 the solution. There have already been 7 illegal alien amnesties...what makes anyone believe another is going to solve anything?

Implement E-Verify and people that are not authorized to work legally in the USA will get the pink slip they richly deserve. They have no right to illegal work in America. The rest will take care of itself. Illegal aliens came here unemployed and they can leave here unemployed. These people have their consulates here in the USA to turn to. Illegal aliens are not the responsibility of the American people. Illegal aliens are the responsibility of their governments. We owe them nada.

So why do the Dems refuse to implement E-Verify when millions of Americans are unemployed with more unemployment on the way? Why do the Dems guarantee taxpayer funded stimulus jobs to illegal aliens when millions of Americans are unemployed? Does any registered Democrat have the balls to answer these pointed questions?

Unfortunately this immigration reform Obama is pushing is really just more of the same lies and bullshit that the other immigration reforms of 1986 and 1996 were. You would think the American people would wise up. It is nothing but, first and foremost, a mass amnesty of illegal aliens without any real immigration reform. Amnesty is the cornerstone of this joke. That is the only component that Obama and the Dem leadership has even spoken about. So it is obvious what their only priority is. Does this obvious fact escape anyone's notice?

How about enforcing the laws passed during the last 2 immigration reforms? If the morons won't enforce the law now...is anyone stupid enough to believe they will after yet another amnesty? The answer is...they won't. Another amnesty is not in the best interests of the American people. It never was then and it won't be now.

[jundp 191]

Not all illegal immigrants are Mexican.

Not all Mexican immigrants are illegal.

I have a huge problem with illegal immigration, though I don't have a problem with those who are here now becoming LPRs as long as they go to the back of the line and wait their turn. However, it really isn't feasible to send everyone whence they came as most of them have nothing to return to.