Calif. counties cutting healthcare to illegal immigrants

[natty bumppo 297]

I have an idea. Make camps where we'll ship all the ill ones to via train cars back to their own country where their government will .... Make them take off all their clothes and then have them go through a disinfection process. Give them government issued clothing with the word 'illegal' embroidered onto their shirt pocket.

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[peejay 327]

I have an idea. Make camps where we'll ship all the ill ones to via train cars. Make them take off all their clothes and then have them go through a disinfection process. Give them government issued clothing with the word 'illegal' embroidered onto their shirt pocket.

Is this another of your victim worship posts? If it is, I think you are shakey ground with this one. That dawg don't hunt. It rolls over and falls asleep.

Victims? The American taxpayers are the victims to these leeches. It's time we stop paying for our neighbor's poor excuses for being a Third World country. Keep the slave labor over there where it's not an eye sore.

What do you think maquiladora was all about? Ship American jobs over there and whatever can't be shipped over the border can be done by cheap illegal alien workers over here subsidized by the US taxpayer. But guys like you think the real solution is to just tax the rich for raping the taxpayer. So what do we do with the unemployed here in the USA? Are they supposed to take a back seat to illegal aliens already over here?

Guys like you think the answer is to amnesty and unionize illegal aliens in the USA to punish the corporations. Guys like me see labor as the comodity it is. Kick the illegal aliens out and put Americans to work. And if we choose to unionize...so be it.

Mexico can do what it has been doing since whenever. They are not our responsibility. That is their people and their country is their internal affair to come to grips with.

You're a nativist...I'm being pragmatic. You're being relentlessly stubborn to accept the reality of the situation, giving nothing more than pie-in-the-sky solutions to the problems.

Nativist, racist, xenophobe? OK, whatever. Illegal aliens are not our responsibility. That's just the way I see it. When I see unemployed Americans, I can give a rat's azz about illegal aliens. Maybe you should join the Peace Corps if you want to save the world. As for me...it's all about "nation first". This is my country and I have no other citizenship or place to go. For better or worse.

peejay, a little pragmatism would do you well.

A little reality and getting out into the real world would do you wonders. My brother works at ATT in a union job stringing fiber optic. They are presently working without a contract, negotiations are going nowhere, and the company management is trying to break the back of the union. That is his story.

He strings fiber optic in buildings under construction in Austin. There isn't a white or black man in any of these construction crews and they do not speak any English. Believe me...this is no bullshit. So you think even half of these workers are legal? Maybe yes...maybe no. Probably no.

But how the hell do we know when our politicians refuse to implement E-Verify? Who are our politicians working for? It's about time the American people start asking these kind of questions. Especially in these times.

Illegal aliens are not our responsibility. Our politicians should not be favoring illegal aliens over our own people...especially now. That is the bottom line.

[Peikko 1,575]

No, the bottom line is that the US can't pretend these people do not exist within its borders. The only thing it can do while someone decides how to actually solve the problem is deal with what exists not keep banging on about how wonderful it would be if things were different and how bloody unfair it is because it's not different.

Edited April 28, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[one...two...tree 2,762]

No, the bottom line is that the US can't pretend these people do not exist within its borders. The only thing it can do while someone decides how to actually solve the problem is deal with what exists not keep banging on about wouldn't it be wonderful if things were different.

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[peejay 327]

No, the bottom line is that the US can't pretend these people do not exist within its borders. The only thing it can do while someone decides how to actually solve the problem is deal with what exists not keep banging on about how wonderful it would be if things were different and how bloody unfair it is because it's not different.

I never did pretend these people don't exist. I see them most every day here in Houston. There are hundreds of thousands of them. And I don't pretend that they are our responsibility either. Because they are not our responsibility. Not to mention that they have no legal right to live and work here in the USA in the first place. Now more than ever.

The American people have been promised by our politicians for 25 years that they were going to do something about it. We were promised an employment verification years ago too. Well, we have it but the politicians refuse to use it. And they refuse to do it with 15% unemployed or underemployment going on right now and no end in sight. That is an outrage.

So what are we gonna do? Worry about employing illegal aliens or worry about employing Americans? I know what I choose. Ditto for free non-emergency healthcare for these people. Those days are gone and are not coming back. The American people can ill afford this bullshit anymore. We were not the cause of it. I could give a rat's azz whether it is Bush's fault, Clinton's fault, the Dims, or the Rethugs. Screw them all and screw the illegal aliens too. This country is not about them. It is about the American people and our best interests.

[Peikko 1,575]

What you say all sounds very nice and patriotic, but it fails to take into account that you have to deal with situations as they exist not how you wish they were. These people are here and while it might please you suggest that they can safely be ignored, such is not the case. Not only is it not ethical for a first world nation to ignore health and welfare issues of anyone who happens to inhabit its soil, legal or not, it's also puts at risk the rest of the population. Until government, of whatever stripe comes up with a genuine, workable and cost effective plan to deal with these people these real concerns must be attended to and at the least cost to the tax payer.