Affidavit of Support - most of his pay is "off the books"

[tallcoolone 102]

yeah, it shoudl be smart and human that you could consider that he is earning very few...and via tips essentially..so condemning him for so few...

i woudl rather condemn the big bosses that are stealing hundred of billion of $$$$$$$$ via tax freed countries...and I call that a shame.

but the guy next door with 24K$ per year who is working 40 and more hours per week.

I think he is receiving the sanction now by not being able to sponsor his fiancé.

so get over it. and there is no, shame on him nor his fiancé, the affidavit is going to become a problem and htey will have to deal with that. period.

Hey, I consider the guy a Patriot tax protester! But the IRS will not. He IS fully aware of what he is doing. It could cause problems down the road. He was not honest about it with his fiance. And he will have problems documenting his income, but that is a side affect of a cash business and he knew that also.

And I make no judgements of the age of people's wives. They are over 18.

Very level headed response

When does this Gary and Alla become a moderator?

[kcoyclay1 98]

His income tax return will show his correct income, yes? Oops. Forgot to claim it and pay taxes on it? Well this is just one of the benefits of tax evasion. His boss has no record either as he would be in even more trouble for not withholding payroll taxes. Your fiance doesn't have an interview about income, YOU do. He has to give you the documents and YOU have to explain it. You are correct it does not actually say you have to prove income. You can go with that.

Better line up a co-sponsor

I think we will line up a co-sponsor.

I asked him if he claims taxes on everything he earns or just the checks, and his response was something along the lines of "only the checks, I thought that was all I needed to since that's all I get on the books." It's not deliberate tax evasion on his part, just ignorance about the tax system and no thanks to his boss for doing things a bit dodgy.

So now I'm wondering how much he should claim to earn on the I-134... what he actually earns, or what is declared on his tax return (I'm going to guess it's the latter). Does anyone have a link to, or could explain, the process of having a co-sponsor?

Thanks again for the advice.

So with $88.41 declared as weekly pay, how does he pay rent and utilities. Does he have a bank account etc? Better get a co-sponsor. These things usually comes back and take a big munch out of the be-hiney.. better to be upfront with Uncle Sam.

Edited April 27, 2009 by kcoyclay1

[YuAndDan 153]

Moving to consulate embassy forum, I-134 is not needed when filing an I-129F, it is needed when interviewing.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Wow. I came to this forum for help and I get flames? This isn't typical of the attitude I usually see on the K-1 forums. Shame on all of you.

Now that we're all done jumping to conclusions, let me clarify things a little. My fiance is not lying to me about his financial situation, he is genuinely unsure of what he's claimed on his taxes (if you know him, you know he can't remember what he did last week, let alone last financial year). Last year he used a tax professional to help him file his taxes, I know that in previous years his mother has usually helped. He's not the most organized person in the world. He is going to contact the professional and ask him for details since he's been moving around a lot and so all of his papers are at his mother's house. He's also going to speak with his boss and clarify what his boss is doing in regards to declaring the pay.

I am really disgusted by the attitude most of you have displayed in this thread. Regardless of whether he has done something wrong or not, this is not the place to air your opinions about it.

I still appreciate the helpful comments that some of you have made and I assure you that I will be pressuring him to check all of this out and make sure it is well and truly sorted before we go any further.

Ah, the first lesson on the USA. Taxes are one of those hot potato subjects. You post that your fiance is a "tax cheat". Some people laugh and say "good for him" others get really angry about it. Hey, I have been around a while and made my share of black money and knew exactly what it was and what I was doing. The reason so many self employed people have problems with the I-134 is because they are "writing off" all their income as business expense and show no "income", which is not the same as not claiming it at all, but I am just saying.

Then you post he didn't know what he was doing, which he most certainly does, even if unorganized. The only ones that get away with that are people nominated by the President for top governemnt jobs, such as the head of the department collecting taxes who forgot to pay some $163,000 in back taxes. So I make no judgements about your fiance reagarding taxes though it concerns me he would lie to you about that (and that is really none of my business) So I hope I didn't offend you or seem hateful or something.

The reason our stores have so many things "made in China" is exactly for the purpose of legal tax evasion. The tax codes do nothing but run off business and jobs, far more than are ever taken by illegal immigrants, and they were good paying jobs. That puts more on the rest of us and some people get really irritated about that and I don't blame them either. I have owned a business and the tax burden and the burden of compliance is terrible, almost to the point that it is difficult to do anything but spend your time to comply with tax law, so I understand why his boss does this. He wants to serve his clients, not do bookwork for the IRS.

Fair warning....you will get similar reactions discussing politics and religion and NONE of those topics were ever allowed at my mother's dinner table, if you get the drift! Don't take it personal, merely fallout from the freedom of speech that we all use liberally.

[SCFsnoopy 0]

Ah, the first lesson on the USA. Taxes are one of those hot potato subjects. You post that your fiance is a "tax cheat". Some people laugh and say "good for him" others get really angry about it. Hey, I have been around a while and made my share of black money and knew exactly what it was and what I was doing. The reason so many self employed people have problems with the I-134 is because they are "writing off" all their income as business expense and show no "income", which is not the same as not claiming it at all, but I am just saying.

Then you post he didn't know what he was doing, which he most certainly does, even if unorganized. The only ones that get away with that are people nominated by the President for top governemnt jobs, such as the head of the department collecting taxes who forgot to pay some $163,000 in back taxes. So I make no judgements about your fiance reagarding taxes though it concerns me he would lie to you about that (and that is really none of my business) So I hope I didn't offend you or seem hateful or something.

The reason our stores have so many things "made in China" is exactly for the purpose of legal tax evasion. The tax codes do nothing but run off business and jobs, far more than are ever taken by illegal immigrants, and they were good paying jobs. That puts more on the rest of us and some people get really irritated about that and I don't blame them either. I have owned a business and the tax burden and the burden of compliance is terrible, almost to the point that it is difficult to do anything but spend your time to comply with tax law, so I understand why his boss does this. He wants to serve his clients, not do bookwork for the IRS.

Fair warning....you will get similar reactions discussing politics and religion and NONE of those topics were ever allowed at my mother's dinner table, if you get the drift! Don't take it personal, merely fallout from the freedom of speech that we all use liberally.

I appreciate the explanation and I do get it - I lived in the USA for 16 months, long enough to learn what subjects are controversial - but I still feel that people flew off the handle about the whole thing. All I wanted was an answer to a fairly specific question and I got this completely unexpected response, so you could understand why I might be a little upset, the accusations of a deceitful fiance aside (and really, if he told me right up that he thinks he only claims his checks, why would you think he's lying to me? Wouldn't it be a lie if he told me he did it flawlessly but it turns out he didn't?)

Like I said, I talked to him again about it and he said that he used the tax professional last year, and the year before he used H&R Block to help with his taxes. If professionals were involved on at least two tax returns and he's only been a barber for the last 2.5 years it makes me hopeful that everything was claimed properly and he hasn't done any tax evasion at all, intentional or otherwise. We will find out - he is calling the professional tomorrow and I've emailed his mother to get her to check his records for me.

It might help to understand that I myself have only submitted one tax return in my life, so I'm pretty new to the whole process too (my last tax return was an absolute no-brainer - I only worked two months of the financial year so I didn't earn enough to pay tax). It's hard for me to explain something like this while having no real idea of how it all works.

Anyway, if people had been reading my posts all the way through rather than flaming me, they would see that this is what I was asking:

My question now is whether somebody could please explain to me the process of having a co-sponsor, or could provide a link that explains it.

[Ginger cat 3]

yeah..i find that alos funny, that you recieved flames bc your fiancé doesn't declare all his income when what he earns is anyway low...

judging you and yoru fiancé for that, and saying it's a crime...I wish that all the fed crime could be just like your fiancé..abotu not declaring 20000 buck per year. we woudl be in such a peace and fairness in fact..

ppl can lack so much about good common sense and humanity. *rolls eyes*

so it's normal to judge you for that, but defending you by showing how the other is not totally "fine" and not the best placed to have such judgement.

then you get a warning from the mods.

the moderation here... is arbitrary and there is no fairness...you just report to the mod and then it's ok. justice is done for you..

justice is when you put in the balance all things... not only one side.

just saying.

ok, concerning a co sponsor i can't help, i didn't go through that process.

I guess you must find someone trsutable, earning more than the poverty line and you explain and then i hope someone will help you.

Edited April 27, 2009 by Ginger cat

[Ginger cat 3]

I do see GingerCat's point, which I believe is that the OP and barber have enough consequences resulting from the deception, and don't need tons of judgment passed on them as well. It does get a little eye-rolling to see the number of self-righteous people on VisaJourney sometimes.

But it was a good idea to inform the OP about the law here, and to caution her about posting such sensitive & personal information on the Internet, especially in a public forum.

Off-topic a bit, I also think the Fair Tax plan is a good idea.

at the same time, there is no proof fo their identities...i don't think she, realisticly talking, was taking a lot of risks.

and thinking that some from the fed. woudl lose time abotu a barber not delcaring 20k$ per year bc they are tips, via a post on a forums and then tracking the ip adress....

i fond that a bit sureal, when outside you have importan fed. crimes, dealers, money with drugs and everything. so come on..

the day, we reach that line, and we pay ppl to do that job (tracking about not declaring tips), i prefer then to live in the alps with gaots and cut from society and not to give a penny to the gov. I would be so ashamed to be part of a society that you woudl harrass someone who is regular and doesn't declare his tips.

Edited April 27, 2009 by Ginger cat

[Ginger cat 3]

Wow. I came to this forum for help and I get flames? This isn't typical of the attitude I usually see on the K-1 forums. Shame on all of you.

Now that we're all done jumping to conclusions, let me clarify things a little. My fiance is not lying to me about his financial situation, he is genuinely unsure of what he's claimed on his taxes (if you know him, you know he can't remember what he did last week, let alone last financial year). Last year he used a tax professional to help him file his taxes, I know that in previous years his mother has usually helped. He's not the most organized person in the world. He is going to contact the professional and ask him for details since he's been moving around a lot and so all of his papers are at his mother's house. He's also going to speak with his boss and clarify what his boss is doing in regards to declaring the pay.

I am really disgusted by the attitude most of you have displayed in this thread. Regardless of whether he has done something wrong or not, this is not the place to air your opinions about it.

I still appreciate the helpful comments that some of you have made and I assure you that I will be pressuring him to check all of this out and make sure it is well and truly sorted before we go any further.

Ah, the first lesson on the USA. Taxes are one of those hot potato subjects. You post that your fiance is a "tax cheat". Some people laugh and say "good for him" others get really angry about it. Hey, I have been around a while and made my share of black money and knew exactly what it was and what I was doing. The reason so many self employed people have problems with the I-134 is because they are "writing off" all their income as business expense and show no "income", which is not the same as not claiming it at all, but I am just saying.

Then you post he didn't know what he was doing, which he most certainly does, even if unorganized. The only ones that get away with that are people nominated by the President for top governemnt jobs, such as the head of the department collecting taxes who forgot to pay some $163,000 in back taxes. So I make no judgements about your fiance reagarding taxes though it concerns me he would lie to you about that (and that is really none of my business) So I hope I didn't offend you or seem hateful or something.

The reason our stores have so many things "made in China" is exactly for the purpose of legal tax evasion. The tax codes do nothing but run off business and jobs, far more than are ever taken by illegal immigrants, and they were good paying jobs. That puts more on the rest of us and some people get really irritated about that and I don't blame them either. I have owned a business and the tax burden and the burden of compliance is terrible, almost to the point that it is difficult to do anything but spend your time to comply with tax law, so I understand why his boss does this. He wants to serve his clients, not do bookwork for the IRS.

Fair warning....you will get similar reactions discussing politics and religion and NONE of those topics were ever allowed at my mother's dinner table, if you get the drift! Don't take it personal, merely fallout from the freedom of speech that we all use liberally.

and i know i ahve been extrem wityh talcoonthing, but i think he was out of proportion by saying to her "shame on you and your fiancé"..i found that ridiculous..and truly pathetic...

but the thing is that i woudl pp and esp. US ones to realise how extrem they can get on things that are not worhty and almost hyprocrit.

anotehr matter that is "ah my gawd controversial" is the "unfaithfulness".

and i think there is a lot of hyprocrisy in usa on some matters.

but ok, i could debate hours on this. Me and my fiancé we did a lot. we joke now and then abotu it.

(((((shock of the culture))))

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Ah, the first lesson on the USA. Taxes are one of those hot potato subjects. You post that your fiance is a "tax cheat". Some people laugh and say "good for him" others get really angry about it. Hey, I have been around a while and made my share of black money and knew exactly what it was and what I was doing. The reason so many self employed people have problems with the I-134 is because they are "writing off" all their income as business expense and show no "income", which is not the same as not claiming it at all, but I am just saying.

Then you post he didn't know what he was doing, which he most certainly does, even if unorganized. The only ones that get away with that are people nominated by the President for top governemnt jobs, such as the head of the department collecting taxes who forgot to pay some $163,000 in back taxes. So I make no judgements about your fiance reagarding taxes though it concerns me he would lie to you about that (and that is really none of my business) So I hope I didn't offend you or seem hateful or something.

The reason our stores have so many things "made in China" is exactly for the purpose of legal tax evasion. The tax codes do nothing but run off business and jobs, far more than are ever taken by illegal immigrants, and they were good paying jobs. That puts more on the rest of us and some people get really irritated about that and I don't blame them either. I have owned a business and the tax burden and the burden of compliance is terrible, almost to the point that it is difficult to do anything but spend your time to comply with tax law, so I understand why his boss does this. He wants to serve his clients, not do bookwork for the IRS.

Fair warning....you will get similar reactions discussing politics and religion and NONE of those topics were ever allowed at my mother's dinner table, if you get the drift! Don't take it personal, merely fallout from the freedom of speech that we all use liberally.

I appreciate the explanation and I do get it - I lived in the USA for 16 months, long enough to learn what subjects are controversial - but I still feel that people flew off the handle about the whole thing. All I wanted was an answer to a fairly specific question and I got this completely unexpected response, so you could understand why I might be a little upset, the accusations of a deceitful fiance aside (and really, if he told me right up that he thinks he only claims his checks, why would you think he's lying to me? Wouldn't it be a lie if he told me he did it flawlessly but it turns out he didn't?)

Like I said, I talked to him again about it and he said that he used the tax professional last year, and the year before he used H&R Block to help with his taxes. If professionals were involved on at least two tax returns and he's only been a barber for the last 2.5 years it makes me hopeful that everything was claimed properly and he hasn't done any tax evasion at all, intentional or otherwise. We will find out - he is calling the professional tomorrow and I've emailed his mother to get her to check his records for me.

It might help to understand that I myself have only submitted one tax return in my life, so I'm pretty new to the whole process too (my last tax return was an absolute no-brainer - I only worked two months of the financial year so I didn't earn enough to pay tax). It's hard for me to explain something like this while having no real idea of how it all works.

Anyway, if people had been reading my posts all the way through rather than flaming me, they would see that this is what I was asking:

My question now is whether somebody could please explain to me the process of having a co-sponsor, or could provide a link that explains it.

The process of having a co-sponsor is for another person to also submit an I-134 and supporting documents on your behalf. He/she prepares an I-134 exactly like that of your fiance and submits it to you to take to the interview. The other person must be a US citizen and have a US address.

[SCFsnoopy 0]

The process of having a co-sponsor is for another person to also submit an I-134 and supporting documents on your behalf. He/she prepares an I-134 exactly like that of your fiance and submits it to you to take to the interview. The other person must be a US citizen and have a US address.

Thank you, that's easy enough =) His stepfather is more than willing to co-sponsor for us.

[baron555 934]

The process of having a co-sponsor is for another person to also submit an I-134 and supporting documents on your behalf. He/she prepares an I-134 exactly like that of your fiance and submits it to you to take to the interview. The other person must be a US citizen and have a US address.

Thank you, that's easy enough =) His stepfather is more than willing to co-sponsor for us.

Super. Good luck to you both. Please know that the folks who made a fuss were really only trying to protect you. We didn't have much infomation to go on in the beginning so many assumptions were made. We just don't want anyone, USC or SO, to get hurt. Please know that the emotional responses you read were just a sign of the passion we have for the process.

[Ginger cat 3]

The process of having a co-sponsor is for another person to also submit an I-134 and supporting documents on your behalf. He/she prepares an I-134 exactly like that of your fiance and submits it to you to take to the interview. The other person must be a US citizen and have a US address.

Thank you, that's easy enough =) His stepfather is more than willing to co-sponsor for us.

so hang in there now, bc you are only at the begining of that journey..and it's like a marathon. but for most we succeed in..so you can make it too

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I do see GingerCat's point, which I believe is that the OP and barber have enough consequences resulting from the deception, and don't need tons of judgment passed on them as well. It does get a little eye-rolling to see the number of self-righteous people on VisaJourney sometimes.

But it was a good idea to inform the OP about the law here, and to caution her about posting such sensitive & personal information on the Internet, especially in a public forum.

Off-topic a bit, I also think the Fair Tax plan is a good idea.

at the same time, there is no proof fo their identities...i don't think she, realisticly talking, was taking a lot of risks.

and thinking that some from the fed. woudl lose time abotu a barber not delcaring 20k$ per year bc they are tips, via a post on a forums and then tracking the ip adress....

i fond that a bit sureal, when outside you have importan fed. crimes, dealers, money with drugs and everything. so come on..

the day, we reach that line, and we pay ppl to do that job (tracking about not declaring tips), i prefer then to live in the alps with gaots and cut from society and not to give a penny to the gov. I would be so ashamed to be part of a society that you woudl harrass someone who is regular and doesn't declare his tips.

The IRS has a 1-800 line to report tax cheats and they give percentage rewards. I think she is safe enough here, but it would be best to keep quiet and find a co-sponsor

[rogerj 0]

I read all of this discussion, and I wonder why you would ever consider marrying any man that admits to this level of fraud and crime? If he will lie, cheat, and steal from Americans (all of us), then he will lie, cheat, and steal from you! My adivce is dump him now, before he can ruin your life!

(spoken by a man that has been lied to, cheated on, and stolen from by ex-wife!)

[Boiler 45,510]

There is a strong argument to be made that income tax is unconstitutional.