Affidavit of Support - most of his pay is "off the books"

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Accually I work for the IRS Fraud Division, a copy of this thread and the IP has been fowarded to our office. We work closely with the NVC so we are going to be in close contact inter-office and I'm sure that when we see a petition come through the Australia section for a Barber we will take action to rectify your SO's little tax evasion problem. BTW tax evasion carries upto 10 years in prison and $100,000 fine. Tell your SO to watch the movie Big Stan and get prepared to become someones play thing!

I hope this has grabbed your attention, this is a serious matter. Being your talking the US goverment, I can promiss you there is communication between the different branches, they prolly verify tax transcrips with the IRS. Big brother is always watching......

I am sure the above is tongue in cheek. IRS fraud people don't tell you who they are. However, the poster is correct. It has long been my contention that if Osama Bin Laden owed $147.29 in back taxes they would have dragged him out of his cave in October, 2001! Then SOLD the cave for what was owed!!!!! Terrorism is nothing! Wait until they get after you for back taxes (or an overdue library book!) And then bash you with a penalty that exceeds the tax owed.

Your fiance KNOWS this, unless he has lived with his head in the ground all his life. The exploits of the "Revenuers" are legendary. You didn't see "The Untouchables" ???? THAT's the Treasury Dept., the IRS. (embellished a bit by Hollywood, Elliot Ness did not really throw Frank Nitti off the roof)

Truly, it is rare for someone to go to prison for tax evasion unles it is a LOT of unpaid taxes, (they get thrown off roofs instead) but they can and do, make people's lives living hell. They can, and do, seize houses and property, bank accounts, cancel passports, deny you for student loans, withhold future tax returns, prevent people from getting visas (ask VJ member "Daboyz" maybe he will drop in and give his opinion on this matter) they will hound you like you never imagined. They could close and seize the barbershop your fiance works at and they DO this! They will come and put a huge chain and lock on the door handles and a sign that says "Closed for Unpaid Taxes". Your fiance and his boss know this. And if a tax lein shows up on your credit, forget about it! Who will give a loan for something that can be seized by the government? Default on a credit card and your score goes down a few points and you get some nasty letters which you throw in the trash. Default on taxes and that taxman will be at every turn of your life with his hand in your pocket, and once married and filing jointly, they can go after YOUR money also and tell you about it AFTER they take it. (There is an "innocent spouse" rule, but you don't want to go there if you do not have to, besides, you are no longer "innocent")

The IRS is connected in to as many government data bases as possible and it is TRUE that other agencies co-ordinate with the IRS. Another reason I support the FAIR TAX is to reduce the power of the truly scarey IRS. Claiming more income on an I-134 than reported on a 1040 may lead to a big surprise for your fiance/husband a few months down the road.

The co-sponsor, as succinctly mentioned by Anh Map above, is your best route. The brevity of his post speaks volumes.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

My fiance just raised a very interesting question about showing his financial income.

He's legally employed as a barber and makes a decent amount of money. However, for some reason, he is only paid $88.41 a week on record, when in reality he receives between $400-$800 a week (depending on how many haircuts he does and how much he makes in tips). He receives the $88.41 as a check and the rest of his pay is cash in an envelope.

I just looked at the I-134 form and as far as I can see it doesn't ask for you to submit actual proof of income, however, will they ask him to submit proof at his interview?

He doesn't get payslips, he just gets the envelope with his check and cash in it with what he earned each day of that week written on it. I've asked him if he can ask his boss if he has any sort of personal record of what the barbers are earning so that we could provide that if needed.

Thanks for any help =)

Lets See:

He is evading paying taxes, which is a Federal Crime.

Federal Crime gets day per day sentences, Example - You get 48 months sentence, their isn't time served, and the Judge is under Federal Guidelines on how to Sentences, He doesn't have much wiggle room.

Federal Prison, is better than state prison.

I say shame on your fiance, and shame on you getting on her a posting what he is illegally doing.

Tell him to man up and join the federal tax system, and stop stealing from the IRS.

Excellent post BUT, her fiancee is not "stealing from the IRS" It could be, more correctly, described as stealing from You and I because eventually, in some form of tax, WE who pay tax have to pick up the slack in one way or another.

[rebeccajo 14]

I think the OP gets it.

sheesh

[Ginger cat 3]

My fiance just raised a very interesting question about showing his financial income.

He's legally employed as a barber and makes a decent amount of money. However, for some reason, he is only paid $88.41 a week on record, when in reality he receives between $400-$800 a week (depending on how many haircuts he does and how much he makes in tips). He receives the $88.41 as a check and the rest of his pay is cash in an envelope.

I just looked at the I-134 form and as far as I can see it doesn't ask for you to submit actual proof of income, however, will they ask him to submit proof at his interview?

He doesn't get payslips, he just gets the envelope with his check and cash in it with what he earned each day of that week written on it. I've asked him if he can ask his boss if he has any sort of personal record of what the barbers are earning so that we could provide that if needed.

Thanks for any help =)

Lets See:

He is evading paying taxes, which is a Federal Crime.

Federal Crime gets day per day sentences, Example - You get 48 months sentence, their isn't time served, and the Judge is under Federal Guidelines on how to Sentences, He doesn't have much wiggle room.

Federal Prison, is better than state prison.

I say shame on your fiance, and shame on you getting on her a posting what he is illegally doing.

Tell him to man up and join the federal tax system, and stop stealing from the IRS.

you are hilarious...

shame on his fiancé... oh my gawd... i am not saying he is right not to declare...but come on...

maybe ytou woudl do the same, MR Saint *rolls eyes*

and no shame on you who seems like dating a teenage girl and doing some sexual tourism????? ... and who has a avatar for pedophiles.

Edited April 26, 2009 by Ginger cat

[tallcoolone 102]

My fiance just raised a very interesting question about showing his financial income.

He's legally employed as a barber and makes a decent amount of money. However, for some reason, he is only paid $88.41 a week on record, when in reality he receives between $400-$800 a week (depending on how many haircuts he does and how much he makes in tips). He receives the $88.41 as a check and the rest of his pay is cash in an envelope.

I just looked at the I-134 form and as far as I can see it doesn't ask for you to submit actual proof of income, however, will they ask him to submit proof at his interview?

He doesn't get payslips, he just gets the envelope with his check and cash in it with what he earned each day of that week written on it. I've asked him if he can ask his boss if he has any sort of personal record of what the barbers are earning so that we could provide that if needed.

Thanks for any help =)

Lets See:

He is evading paying taxes, which is a Federal Crime.

Federal Crime gets day per day sentences, Example - You get 48 months sentence, their isn't time served, and the Judge is under Federal Guidelines on how to Sentences, He doesn't have much wiggle room.

Federal Prison, is better than state prison.

I say shame on your fiance, and shame on you getting on her a posting what he is illegally doing.

Tell him to man up and join the federal tax system, and stop stealing from the IRS.

you are hilarious...

shame on his fiancé... oh my gawd... i am not saying he is right not to declare...but come on...

maybe ytou woudl do the same, MR Saint *rolls eyes*

and no shame on you who seems like dating a teenage girl and doing some sexual tourism????? ... and who has a avatar for pedophiles.

[Ginger cat 3]

yeah, it shoudl be smart and human that you could consider that he is earning very few...and via tips essentially..so condemning him for so few...

i woudl rather condemn the big bosses that are stealing hundred of billion of $$$$$$$$ via tax freed countries...and I call that a shame.

but the guy next door with 24K$ per year who is working 40 and more hours per week.

I think he is receiving the sanction now by not being able to sponsor his fiancé.

so get over it. and there is no, shame on him nor his fiancé, the affidavit is going to become a problem and htey will have to deal with that. period.

Edited April 26, 2009 by Ginger cat

[Ginger cat 3]

Man, it either took some serious naivete or something to post this on a public forum. Everybody knows you have to report everything as income. Now some of that income might not get taxed, but you still have to report it anyhow. Not to be a jerk, but I would really be careful with this guy. Something's not right here.

You know, that's how they eventually got Al Capone--not for all the people he'd killed (or had killed), or all the illegal schemes he had going--they eventually got him for income tax evasion.

you have to be spycho and machiavellic and nasty to be able to report that someone who is eanring 24K$$$ per year is not declaring all his income.

[Captain Ewok 1,900]

My fiance just raised a very interesting question about showing his financial income.

He's legally employed as a barber and makes a decent amount of money. However, for some reason, he is only paid $88.41 a week on record, when in reality he receives between $400-$800 a week (depending on how many haircuts he does and how much he makes in tips). He receives the $88.41 as a check and the rest of his pay is cash in an envelope.

I just looked at the I-134 form and as far as I can see it doesn't ask for you to submit actual proof of income, however, will they ask him to submit proof at his interview?

He doesn't get payslips, he just gets the envelope with his check and cash in it with what he earned each day of that week written on it. I've asked him if he can ask his boss if he has any sort of personal record of what the barbers are earning so that we could provide that if needed.

Thanks for any help =)

Lets See:

He is evading paying taxes, which is a Federal Crime.

Federal Crime gets day per day sentences, Example - You get 48 months sentence, their isn't time served, and the Judge is under Federal Guidelines on how to Sentences, He doesn't have much wiggle room.

Federal Prison, is better than state prison.

I say shame on your fiance, and shame on you getting on her a posting what he is illegally doing.

Tell him to man up and join the federal tax system, and stop stealing from the IRS.

you are hilarious...

shame on his fiancé... oh my gawd... i am not saying he is right not to declare...but come on...

maybe ytou woudl do the same, MR Saint *rolls eyes*

and no shame on you who seems like dating a teenage girl and doing some sexual tourism????? ... and who has a avatar for pedophiles.

No matter why, comments like these are out of line. This is a formal warning to stop. Thank you.

[NatPatBen 3]

I do see GingerCat's point, which I believe is that the OP and barber have enough consequences resulting from the deception, and don't need tons of judgment passed on them as well. It does get a little eye-rolling to see the number of self-righteous people on VisaJourney sometimes.

But it was a good idea to inform the OP about the law here, and to caution her about posting such sensitive & personal information on the Internet, especially in a public forum.

Off-topic a bit, I also think the Fair Tax plan is a good idea.

[Melrose Plant 1]

Man, it either took some serious naivete or something to post this on a public forum. Everybody knows you have to report everything as income. Now some of that income might not get taxed, but you still have to report it anyhow. Not to be a jerk, but I would really be careful with this guy. Something's not right here.

You know, that's how they eventually got Al Capone--not for all the people he'd killed (or had killed), or all the illegal schemes he had going--they eventually got him for income tax evasion.

you have to be spycho and machiavellic and nasty to be able to report that someone who is eanring 24K$$$ per year is not declaring all his income.

Good grief, I think we're in the K-1 section, not the Off-Topic!

Anyhow, I don't know where that came from, I never suggested that anyone turn him in, I'm suggesting that the OP step back and take a look at a guy who would claim to be ignorant and unintentional about his income tax cheating, when that can't possibly be the case. I'm not really that fussed about the actual crime, but I'd be awfully pissed if my wife did something like that (she has, and she understands what is and is not acceptable in America), but lied to me about it (she hasn't).

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

His income tax return will show his correct income, yes? Oops. Forgot to claim it and pay taxes on it? Well this is just one of the benefits of tax evasion. His boss has no record either as he would be in even more trouble for not withholding payroll taxes. Your fiance doesn't have an interview about income, YOU do. He has to give you the documents and YOU have to explain it. You are correct it does not actually say you have to prove income. You can go with that.

Better line up a co-sponsor

I think we will line up a co-sponsor.

I asked him if he claims taxes on everything he earns or just the checks, and his response was something along the lines of "only the checks, I thought that was all I needed to since that's all I get on the books." It's not deliberate tax evasion on his part, just ignorance about the tax system and no thanks to his boss for doing things a bit dodgy.

So now I'm wondering how much he should claim to earn on the I-134... what he actually earns, or what is declared on his tax return (I'm going to guess it's the latter). Does anyone have a link to, or could explain, the process of having a co-sponsor?

Thanks again for the advice.

No, that's tax evasion and I assume he is filing Schedule C. He will have to show three years worth of ITR's, no doubt. Plus, there is a good chance he faces a "lifestyle audit" in his future.

[tallcoolone 102]

I asked him if he claims taxes on everything he earns or just the checks, and his response was something along the lines of "only the checks, I thought that was all I needed to since that's all I get on the books." It's not deliberate tax evasion on his part, just ignorance about the tax system and no thanks to his boss for doing things a bit dodgy.

Ignorance of the Law Never is a good excuse, and will never hold up in Court of Law.......

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

yeah, it shoudl be smart and human that you could consider that he is earning very few...and via tips essentially..so condemning him for so few...

i woudl rather condemn the big bosses that are stealing hundred of billion of $$$$$$$$ via tax freed countries...and I call that a shame.

but the guy next door with 24K$ per year who is working 40 and more hours per week.

I think he is receiving the sanction now by not being able to sponsor his fiancé.

so get over it. and there is no, shame on him nor his fiancé, the affidavit is going to become a problem and htey will have to deal with that. period.

Hey, I consider the guy a Patriot tax protester! But the IRS will not. He IS fully aware of what he is doing. It could cause problems down the road. He was not honest about it with his fiance. And he will have problems documenting his income, but that is a side affect of a cash business and he knew that also.

And I make no judgements of the age of people's wives. They are over 18.

[SCFsnoopy 0]

Wow. I came to this forum for help and I get flames? This isn't typical of the attitude I usually see on the K-1 forums. Shame on all of you.

Now that we're all done jumping to conclusions, let me clarify things a little. My fiance is not lying to me about his financial situation, he is genuinely unsure of what he's claimed on his taxes (if you know him, you know he can't remember what he did last week, let alone last financial year). Last year he used a tax professional to help him file his taxes, I know that in previous years his mother has usually helped. He's not the most organized person in the world. He is going to contact the professional and ask him for details since he's been moving around a lot and so all of his papers are at his mother's house. He's also going to speak with his boss and clarify what his boss is doing in regards to declaring the pay.

I am really disgusted by the attitude most of you have displayed in this thread. Regardless of whether he has done something wrong or not, this is not the place to air your opinions about it.

I still appreciate the helpful comments that some of you have made and I assure you that I will be pressuring him to check all of this out and make sure it is well and truly sorted before we go any further.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Man, it either took some serious naivete or something to post this on a public forum. Everybody knows you have to report everything as income. Now some of that income might not get taxed, but you still have to report it anyhow. Not to be a jerk, but I would really be careful with this guy. Something's not right here.

You know, that's how they eventually got Al Capone--not for all the people he'd killed (or had killed), or all the illegal schemes he had going--they eventually got him for income tax evasion.

you have to be spycho and machiavellic and nasty to be able to report that someone who is eanring 24K$$$ per year is not declaring all his income.

Good grief, I think we're in the K-1 section, not the Off-Topic!

Anyhow, I don't know where that came from, I never suggested that anyone turn him in, I'm suggesting that the OP step back and take a look at a guy who would claim to be ignorant and unintentional about his income tax cheating, when that can't possibly be the case. I'm not really that fussed about the actual crime, but I'd be awfully pissed if my wife did something like that (she has, and she understands what is and is not acceptable in America), but lied to me about it (she hasn't).

I understood exactly. My wife comes from Ukraine, she knows all about black money. Were I doing this I would have just arranged a co-sponsor and told my wife (then fiancee) "Look, I make lots of black money, I cannot claim it on the affadavit, but don't worry, we make plenty" That's all. I do not understand why the guy lies to his fiancee and to me, that would be more a concern than cheating the tax man. And in order to lie he has to substitute instead that he is a dumb@ss. Take your choice!!!!!!!