Vietnam HCMC Denied 1st Round Interview

[shaker 0]

Hi,

Our interview was on 4/20/2009 in HCMC. She fail and only got sheet of paper talking about Section 221.

They didn't give her pink, blue or white slip. Some of her family members live in same city has me,

they told me besides getting white sheet of paper, they also got a blue slip. She didn't get any type

of slip... Just kinda strange...

But they did set up another interview on 5/20/2009.

I have heard that they will not ask her any more questions sense she was already been interview

in first round.

Also, our lawyer said they have failed 99% over in HCMC now....

So, im looking for others that may have failed first round, but passed second round.

I would like to here you comments.

Thanks

Christopher

[toddandhien 2]

First, the paper that she got with information about Section 221 had to be some color...??? But more importantly, what exactly did it say? People here will be able to provide much more help if you can post either exactly what it says (being returned to USCIS or asking for more information?) or scan it and post it for us to read.

Second, They scheduled her for an other interview. How was this communicated to her? at the interview, by e-mail later? Did they state the purpose of the interview? Were you instructed to be present for this interview?

Last, your attorney said that 99% of people interviewing in HCM have been denied a visa? That does not sound anywhere near realistic to me.

If you can provide more information, you will get more answers/help. Thanks.

[shaker 0]

Hi,

It reads Section 221 (g) of the Act prohibits the issuance of a visa to anyone who has failed to present the

documents required in connection with the visa application, or who has fail to submit sufficient credible evidence

to support the claimed petitionable relationship. The following remarks apply in your case***

* PETITIONER: In a sworn, notarized statement, please provide a detailed chronology (timeline) of

your relationship. Please explain clearly when and how you first met, how you were introduced and

when you began corresponding with each other.... etc....this part mostly personal relationship

questions....

* Applicant: List of names, dates of birth, relation to you, address, and phone numbers of family,

relatives and friends in the US.

* R-2: YOUR APPOINTMENT DATE FOR REQUESTED DOCUMENTS is 5/23/2009 13:00-14:00,

Window B, Immigrant Visa Unit ( entry at 12:30). For resubmissions at any other time,

resubmissions may be made by mail or dropped off at Window B, from 13:00-14:00 any working day.

The resubmissions will be reviewed later. No receipt will be given. If you don't submit ALL of the requested

items at same time, processing delays will result. Consular officers will not make a decision on your

case until all of the items we requested are submitted.

> Second, They scheduled her for an other interview. How was this communicated to her?

Her interview was done in Vietnamese by US Consular Officer by Vietnamese Man. All thou she can read & write English very good. She can speak basic English..

Also to answer your question...

About our attorney everyone had passed US part, but once case sent to HCM he told me

that 1 out of every 5 is approved their visa in first around. So that where I got 99% from.

I have talked with her aunt & cousins that went through the same process, they told

me they fail also first time, and was hand this white sheet paper, (I described above) plus

blue slip...

So, I ask my fiancee if she got any type of colored slip.. She said no.. Is it possible

they just forgot to get her the slip?

I drop this paper of with our lawyer to see what's going on.... Seems they just

want more evidence

So what can you make out of the Section 221...?

Thanks.

[Huong and Phung 0]

1. Sounds like they need your timeline (notarized by an official). It's a must for K-1 visa.

2. They want to know if she knows her family members who live in the U.S.

These two sounds like they all related to your timeline. That's all I know for now. Others will help you more than I do. Good luck!

[Lý Trinh 0]

Hey shaker

Here are two versions of the timeline.

1 is a US version you should take and get notarized.

The other is the VN version that has questions in english and vietnamese that the embassy is likely to ask.

Timeline_of_Relationship_VN.doc

Timeline_of_Relationship_US.doc

[shaker 0]

Hi,

Thanks for your wonderful information...... This is just want we need.

Do you know of any other 'sworn affidavit' doc's that family members & friends can fill out

and also have it notarized?

Regards,

Christopher

[chuckandkim 0]

Hi,

Thanks for your wonderful information...... This is just want we need.

Do you know of any other 'sworn affidavit' doc's that family members & friends can fill out

and also have it notarized?

Regards,

Christopher

At this phase of the Journey, you don't need anything from family & friends to swear-in on your behalf.

Just supply what they requested then wait for the final decision. Don't hold me to it but they want your timeline and detail list of your family and hers whom currently reside in America. Wonder why they do that?

Think like a C.O.! They want to know if you and your fiancée are related or not, committing marriage fraud(?) for cash, if you're doing someone's niece a favor? They want to make sure their visa approval is for a genuine relationship!

Can you prove ALL those concerns beyond the reasonable doubt? If you say yes, then you have nothing to worry...

[toddandhien 2]

The two items they have asked for are very commonly requested at HCM on K-1 visas. They are a must. The list of HER family and friends in the US (Vietnamese people) are for them to assess if you might have been paid to help bring her to the US to be with them.

Give them everything that they asked for in as much detail as you can. If you have a good lawyer he should be able to help you with these things also.

1 out of 5 means 80% failure rate on first interview. That sounds a bit high but more realistic at HCM.

[CoolHand2x2y2z 0]

Christopher,

Don't take those requests as simple. That's a VERY tricky place.

Be very thorough, and if you can, be there with her when you guys resubmit -give her your passport and hand that in to tell them you are waiting outside (they probably won't let you in).

That's a very tricky bunch. Go over all her questions and so on from the first interview. There may be stuff on there that they didn't list on the paper.

Good luck!

[shaker 0]

Thanks everyone for your info tips... It's very helpful, and will apply them in the 2nd around re-submit.

I kinda upset that our lawyer didn't point this out, that we had some more info that needed to be included

with the papers during her first interview.. I did drop a visit to our lawyer, but it was out of the office, and

left copy of that paper that was issued to my fiancee from HCMC Immigration. Even called today, but just

got his voice mail, and left word for him to call me.... Might need to find another lawyer in HCMC...

I wish everyone great success in their interview's and for all you to pass...

Regards,

Christopher

[hniHnitsuJ 8]

Thanks everyone for your info tips... It's very helpful, and will apply them in the 2nd around re-submit.

I kinda upset that our lawyer didn't point this out, that we had some more info that needed to be included

with the papers during her first interview.. I did drop a visit to our lawyer, but it was out of the office, and

left copy of that paper that was issued to my fiancee from HCMC Immigration. Even called today, but just

got his voice mail, and left word for him to call me.... Might need to find another lawyer in HCMC...

I wish everyone great success in their interview's and for all you to pass...

Regards,

Christopher

Christopher,

I hope you and your wife will be doing well on second interview. Good luck.

[Dau_Que 0]

Thanks everyone for your info tips... It's very helpful, and will apply them in the 2nd around re-submit.

I kinda upset that our lawyer didn't point this out, that we had some more info that needed to be included

with the papers during her first interview.. I did drop a visit to our lawyer, but it was out of the office, and

left copy of that paper that was issued to my fiancee from HCMC Immigration. Even called today, but just

got his voice mail, and left word for him to call me.... Might need to find another lawyer in HCMC...

I wish everyone great success in their interview's and for all you to pass...

Regards,

Christopher

Who's "that" lawyer with the lousy service? Marc Ellis? You might as well tell the VS community so they can make smart choice in the event they're in need of legal counseling.

About your case, the list of "her" relatives living in the States will be the formal denial reason from the CO. They just wanna use your info to make it official. They don't have time and care to prove that your loved on in Vietnam is committing marriage fraud. They simply will deny 99% of the cases in the first round. Then in the second round of petition, they "might" reconsider. That way, it's a Win-Win situation for them, getting more $$$ when people file for the second round, AND, they will have more time to investigate your cases. It's not practical to thoroughly investigate every case within the time frame of a few months for so many petitions handled by that Consulate.

Your lawyer's attitude already explains thing to you. He already knows what to expect in the first round of this game.

Edited April 24, 2009 by DPNH

[Peter&TT 0]

Thanks everyone for your info tips... It's very helpful, and will apply them in the 2nd around re-submit.

I kinda upset that our lawyer didn't point this out, that we had some more info that needed to be included

with the papers during her first interview.. I did drop a visit to our lawyer, but it was out of the office, and

left copy of that paper that was issued to my fiancee from HCMC Immigration. Even called today, but just

got his voice mail, and left word for him to call me.... Might need to find another lawyer in HCMC...

I wish everyone great success in their interview's and for all you to pass...

Regards,

Christopher

Who's "that" lawyer with the lousy service? Marc Ellis? You might as well tell the VS community so they can make smart choice in the event they're in need of legal counseling.

About your case, the list of "her" relatives living in the States will be the formal denial reason from the CO. They just wanna use your info to make it official. They don't have time and care to prove that your loved on in Vietnam is committing marriage fraud. They simply will deny 99% of the cases in the first round. Then in the second round of petition, they "might" reconsider. That way, it's a Win-Win situation for them, getting more $$$ when people file for the second round, AND, they will have more time to investigate your cases. It's not practical to thoroughly investigate every case within the time frame of a few months for so many petitions handled by that Consulate.

Your lawyer's attitude already explains thing to you. He already knows what to expect in the first round of this game.

I don't think currently Chris is in a position to reveal his "lousy" lawyer because he needs that lawyer & ALREADY paid to him. I'll share my lawyer story once my case got resolved. It's interesting!

Good luck.

Cam

[Peter&TT 0]

Thanks everyone for your info tips... It's very helpful, and will apply them in the 2nd around re-submit.

I kinda upset that our lawyer didn't point this out, that we had some more info that needed to be included

with the papers during her first interview.. I did drop a visit to our lawyer, but it was out of the office, and

left copy of that paper that was issued to my fiancee from HCMC Immigration. Even called today, but just

got his voice mail, and left word for him to call me.... Might need to find another lawyer in HCMC...

I wish everyone great success in their interview's and for all you to pass...

Regards,

Christopher

Who's "that" lawyer with the lousy service? Marc Ellis? You might as well tell the VS community so they can make smart choice in the event they're in need of legal counseling.

About your case, the list of "her" relatives living in the States will be the formal denial reason from the CO. They just wanna use your info to make it official. They don't have time and care to prove that your loved on in Vietnam is committing marriage fraud. They simply will deny 99% of the cases in the first round. Then in the second round of petition, they "might" reconsider. That way, it's a Win-Win situation for them, getting more $$$ when people file for the second round, AND, they will have more time to investigate your cases. It's not practical to thoroughly investigate every case within the time frame of a few months for so many petitions handled by that Consulate.

Your lawyer's attitude already explains thing to you. He already knows what to expect in the first round of this game.

Hi, I want to add more....Yes, I totally agree with DPNH on all points he/she stated. At least that's what happened to me. But don't be so disappointed because there are a few cases getting approved in the first round.

I suggest each petitioner whose genuine cases are denied contacts his/her Senator; get them involved, let them call the HCM Consulate, etc. And with many calls from Senators, hopefully the HCM Consulate will revise its working ethnic or procedures or extend the time to examine a case throughly (I'm ok with waiting longer for my case to be investigated throughly because my relationship is genuine) before denying it with superficial reasons. As one of my friend see it "The denial itself is a boilerplate document with reasons inserted to make it sound as if the case was given significant attention. In fact, they are probably options copied and pasted out of a menu of reasons for denial."

[toddandhien 2]

Thanks everyone for your info tips... It's very helpful, and will apply them in the 2nd around re-submit.

I kinda upset that our lawyer didn't point this out, that we had some more info that needed to be included

with the papers during her first interview.. I did drop a visit to our lawyer, but it was out of the office, and

left copy of that paper that was issued to my fiancee from HCMC Immigration. Even called today, but just

got his voice mail, and left word for him to call me.... Might need to find another lawyer in HCMC...

I wish everyone great success in their interview's and for all you to pass...

Regards,

Christopher

Who's "that" lawyer with the lousy service? Marc Ellis? You might as well tell the VS community so they can make smart choice in the event they're in need of legal counseling.

About your case, the list of "her" relatives living in the States will be the formal denial reason from the CO. They just wanna use your info to make it official. They don't have time and care to prove that your loved on in Vietnam is committing marriage fraud. They simply will deny 99% of the cases in the first round. Then in the second round of petition, they "might" reconsider. That way, it's a Win-Win situation for them, getting more $$$ when people file for the second round, AND, they will have more time to investigate your cases. It's not practical to thoroughly investigate every case within the time frame of a few months for so many petitions handled by that Consulate.

Your lawyer's attitude already explains thing to you. He already knows what to expect in the first round of this game.

How can you make such a blanket statement? Sure, HCM denies a lot of cases. But there are other members here on VJ that were given a 221g for a timeline and list of relatives, quickly turned in the required information and were quickly approved for a visa. You have no information about the relative merits of shaker's case and you do not know what the CO's initial findings were. Do you know for a fact that literally 99% of cases are denied in the first round?

DPNH, it would be interesting to know about your visa experience. Apparently it has made you an expert on all visa-related matters. Please post your CV.