The experts closest to the scene all agree.

[Tahoma 2,292]

The real crime is that an entire nation of good hard working people are judges solely by their leader. Was a program on PBS radio this morning the Chavez offered Obama an open hand of friendship, and how should Obama reacted? Give him the finger, push him away, turn his head, or just shake his hand? No matter what he did, would be criticized by it.

yep, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

"Shaking hands" was not the issue, no one goes to meet a leader and not shake hands.

What we are talking about is Obama sitting like a freshman while these leaders trashed his country..... and how did Barry come-out-swinging in defense?

He said something like, "I hope you aren't blaming me for stuff that happened when I was a kid".

Even Bill Clinton would have threw something back at them.

What did "these leaders" say about the United States that "trashed his country?" Or, are you simply parroting Rush, Sean, and Bill, without knowing anything at all about the content of the speeches?

Are you playing stupid or you really don't know?

It was a 50 minute, one sided history lesson by a thug to the leader of our country.

I'm sure you can google it, but believe me it's rather boring.

So Obamas big "open arms" tour resulted not in national leaders meeting and paying respect to one another but they took this occasion to sit Obama down for a 50 minute history lesson.

Chavez greets Barry with a gift... a booklet "Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent."

It's one thing to be loved around the world, it's another thing to be "respected" Obama clearly was not respected, lets hope he learns from this "Back slapping with Dictators" event and starts acting like a World leader rather than a "Claims adjuster".

I smell the typical Danno avoidance strategy here. If you Googled President Ortega's speech and read it (as you seem to be implying here), then you should have an easy time giving an example or two to support what you were talking about rather than hiding behind your usual meaningless generalities. Or, perhaps you have no idea what President Ortega said.

[Tahoma 2,292]

The real crime is that an entire nation of good hard working people are judges solely by their leader. Was a program on PBS radio this morning the Chavez offered Obama an open hand of friendship, and how should Obama reacted? Give him the finger, push him away, turn his head, or just shake his hand? No matter what he did, would be criticized by it.

yep, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

"Shaking hands" was not the issue, no one goes to meet a leader and not shake hands.

What we are talking about is Obama sitting like a freshman while these leaders trashed his country..... and how did Barry come-out-swinging in defense?

He said something like, "I hope you aren't blaming me for stuff that happened when I was a kid".

Even Bill Clinton would have threw something back at them.

What did "these leaders" say about the United States that "trashed his country?" Or, are you simply parroting Rush, Sean, and Bill, without knowing anything at all about the content of the speeches?

Are you playing stupid or you really don't know?

It was a 50 minute, one sided history lesson by a thug to the leader of our country.

I'm sure you can google it, but believe me it's rather boring.

So Obamas big "open arms" tour resulted not in national leaders meeting and paying respect to one another but they took this occasion to sit Obama down for a 50 minute history lesson.

Chavez greets Barry with a gift... a booklet "Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent."

It's one thing to be loved around the world, it's another thing to be "respected" Obama clearly was not respected, lets hope he learns from this "Back slapping with Dictators" event and starts acting like a World leader rather than a "Claims adjuster".

Awww man, its just ignorance.

Something you obviously know a lot about.

(By the way...you need to use an apostrophe with "its" when used in that context, because it's a contraction of "it is.")

Edited April 22, 2009 by Tahoma

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

The real crime is that an entire nation of good hard working people are judges solely by their leader. Was a program on PBS radio this morning the Chavez offered Obama an open hand of friendship, and how should Obama reacted? Give him the finger, push him away, turn his head, or just shake his hand? No matter what he did, would be criticized by it.

yep, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

"Shaking hands" was not the issue, no one goes to meet a leader and not shake hands.

What we are talking about is Obama sitting like a freshman while these leaders trashed his country..... and how did Barry come-out-swinging in defense?

He said something like, "I hope you aren't blaming me for stuff that happened when I was a kid".

Even Bill Clinton would have threw something back at them.

What did "these leaders" say about the United States that "trashed his country?" Or, are you simply parroting Rush, Sean, and Bill, without knowing anything at all about the content of the speeches?

Thanks for watchin! Drives ya nuts dont it? All that truth an all!

I always feel a huge drop in the collective I.Q. It's the same feeling I get every time I see one of your postings.

Take another hit! The Iq will get higher and higher.

[Tahoma 2,292]

The real crime is that an entire nation of good hard working people are judges solely by their leader. Was a program on PBS radio this morning the Chavez offered Obama an open hand of friendship, and how should Obama reacted? Give him the finger, push him away, turn his head, or just shake his hand? No matter what he did, would be criticized by it.

yep, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

"Shaking hands" was not the issue, no one goes to meet a leader and not shake hands.

What we are talking about is Obama sitting like a freshman while these leaders trashed his country..... and how did Barry come-out-swinging in defense?

He said something like, "I hope you aren't blaming me for stuff that happened when I was a kid".

Even Bill Clinton would have threw something back at them.

What did "these leaders" say about the United States that "trashed his country?" Or, are you simply parroting Rush, Sean, and Bill, without knowing anything at all about the content of the speeches?

Thanks for watchin! Drives ya nuts dont it? All that truth an all!

I always feel a huge drop in the collective I.Q. It's the same feeling I get every time I see one of your postings.

Take another hit! The Iq will get higher and higher.

I'll pass. But thanks for giving us some insight on your problem. I hope you can kick the habit.

[nowhereman 1]

The Bush doctrine was a horrible failure & Obama is trying to actually use diplomacy. If the right wingers don't agree with his policies that's fine, but if you think going back to the Bush policies is the solution you are delusional. So what do you right wingers suggest as a 3rd alternative?

I think the Obama doctrine is great. Im just worried about him wearing out the knees of his pants! Maybe he should just wear a dress? That would also get him lots of the travestite vote.

So pretty much you don't have an intelligent response or alternative, you just don't like Obama. That pretty much sums up about 90% of the right wingers here on VJ.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The Bush doctrine was a horrible failure & Obama is trying to actually use diplomacy. If the right wingers don't agree with his policies that's fine, but if you think going back to the Bush policies is the solution you are delusional. So what do you right wingers suggest as a 3rd alternative?

I think the Obama doctrine is great. Im just worried about him wearing out the knees of his pants! Maybe he should just wear a dress? That would also get him lots of the travestite vote.

So pretty much you don't have an intelligent response or alternative, you just don't like Obama. That pretty much sums up about 90% of the right wingers here on VJ.

And most of those didn't like Bush 43 either, in the end. Maybe the left felt they were voting for somebody, but most on the right have not had that luxury for a long, long time. And for those few conservative democrats still hanging around, there is even less of a home left. The far left has "purified" the party of Andy Jackson, and the far right is doing/has done the same thing to the party of Abe Lincoln.

[Niels Bohr 72]

For those not even letting Obama a chance lacks intelligence. For those who think they are better than Obama, and can lead a whole nation you can spill out your strength against Obama. For those who waits for others to find a solution, but, themselves are not helping to find a solution can kiss my ####### until the solution comes outs.

[nowhereman 1]

The Bush doctrine was a horrible failure & Obama is trying to actually use diplomacy. If the right wingers don't agree with his policies that's fine, but if you think going back to the Bush policies is the solution you are delusional. So what do you right wingers suggest as a 3rd alternative?

I think the Obama doctrine is great. Im just worried about him wearing out the knees of his pants! Maybe he should just wear a dress? That would also get him lots of the travestite vote.

So pretty much you don't have an intelligent response or alternative, you just don't like Obama. That pretty much sums up about 90% of the right wingers here on VJ.

And most of those didn't like Bush 43 either, in the end. Maybe the left felt they were voting for somebody, but most on the right have not had that luxury for a long, long time. And for those few conservative democrats still hanging around, there is even less of a home left. The far left has "purified" the party of Andy Jackson, and the far right is doing/has done the same thing to the party of Abe Lincoln.

Well there is a difference between the average Republican and the average VJ Republican... the majority of VJ Republicans are far right. You're right... a lot of Republicans stop supporting Bush after it was clear that he was driving our country off a cliff. However the VJ brand of Republicans dislike Obama for the mere fact that he's a democrat. I don't have a problem with moderate Republicans or some of the conservative Republicans, but the extremists (and that includes the far left) are all about partisan/divisive politics and I have little tolerance for that.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The Bush doctrine was a horrible failure & Obama is trying to actually use diplomacy. If the right wingers don't agree with his policies that's fine, but if you think going back to the Bush policies is the solution you are delusional. So what do you right wingers suggest as a 3rd alternative?

I think the Obama doctrine is great. Im just worried about him wearing out the knees of his pants! Maybe he should just wear a dress? That would also get him lots of the travestite vote.

So pretty much you don't have an intelligent response or alternative, you just don't like Obama. That pretty much sums up about 90% of the right wingers here on VJ.

And most of those didn't like Bush 43 either, in the end. Maybe the left felt they were voting for somebody, but most on the right have not had that luxury for a long, long time. And for those few conservative democrats still hanging around, there is even less of a home left. The far left has "purified" the party of Andy Jackson, and the far right is doing/has done the same thing to the party of Abe Lincoln.

Well there is a difference between the average Republican and the average VJ Republican... the majority of VJ Republicans are far right. You're right... a lot of Republicans stop supporting Bush after it was clear that he was driving our country off a cliff. However the VJ brand of Republicans dislike Obama for the mere fact that he's a democrat. I don't have a problem with moderate Republicans or some of the conservative Republicans, but the extremists (and that includes the far left) are all about partisan/divisive politics and I have little tolerance for that.

That's a good start, kapatid, but life on VJ would be a little less "entertaining" without the full spectrum of reactions. I would agree that some depth would be nice once in a while, without engaging immediately in personalities.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Proud to be an extremist?

[EasyRider 3]

I'm completely against this whole releasing of the memos. Really, what's the point? Don't get me wrong, I'm with Obama on this torture issue. But if you're going to release these memos then it has to have a purpose. If the intention was to illustrate the culpability of these rat bast*rds, the prosecute the lot of them. If not then shut the F up and move on.

[Tahoma 2,292]

The real crime is that an entire nation of good hard working people are judges solely by their leader. Was a program on PBS radio this morning the Chavez offered Obama an open hand of friendship, and how should Obama reacted? Give him the finger, push him away, turn his head, or just shake his hand? No matter what he did, would be criticized by it.

yep, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

"Shaking hands" was not the issue, no one goes to meet a leader and not shake hands.

What we are talking about is Obama sitting like a freshman while these leaders trashed his country..... and how did Barry come-out-swinging in defense?

He said something like, "I hope you aren't blaming me for stuff that happened when I was a kid".

Even Bill Clinton would have threw something back at them.

What did "these leaders" say about the United States that "trashed his country?" Or, are you simply parroting Rush, Sean, and Bill, without knowing anything at all about the content of the speeches?

Thanks for watchin! Drives ya nuts dont it? All that truth an all!

I always feel a huge drop in the collective I.Q. It's the same feeling I get every time I see one of your postings.

and yet .. you read the posts and comment on them ...

Yes, I do. They are easy targets.

[Danno 1,228]

For those not even letting Obama a chance lacks intelligence. For those who think they are better than Obama, and can lead a whole nation you can spill out your strength against Obama. For those who waits for others to find a solution, but, themselves are not helping to find a solution can kiss my ####### until the solution comes outs.

I keep asking "how long does this GRACE period last"?

At what point can citizens object to the actions the president makes?

PLease give me a day week or month so I can mark it on my calendar.

[Niels Bohr 72]

For those not even letting Obama a chance lacks intelligence. For those who think they are better than Obama, and can lead a whole nation you can spill out your strength against Obama. For those who waits for others to find a solution, but, themselves are not helping to find a solution can kiss my ####### until the solution comes outs.

I keep asking "how long does this GRACE period last"?

At what point can citizens object to the actions the president makes?

PLease give me a day week or month so I can mark it on my calendar.

There is no grace period.

Cause and Effect on a time scale within Government manifests very slowly. Unless you micro-manage every pieces of government yourself.

Edited April 24, 2009 by Niels Bohr

[sj5 4]

No justice for dead people in WTC 9/11?