The experts closest to the scene all agree.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Its pretty distasteful at the end of the day.

Only if you got the ####### end of the ####### stick.

Not necessarily. You don't have to be on the receiving end of things to have principles.

Principles schminciples.

[justashooter 430]

Its always been easier adopt amoral attitudes when you enjoy the position of relative privilege. We can even calculate the relative worth of human beings in our society Vs. those in developing countries.

Its pretty distasteful at the end of the day.

it's always been more difficult to operate on a morality system when other persons operate by amoral methods to reduce our position of privilege. the relative worth of persons is not an argueable point. each man develops his own worth, but many choose not to.

it is pretty distasteful at the end of the day.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

each man develops his own worth, but many choose not to.

i'd rather vj.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its always been easier adopt amoral attitudes when you enjoy the position of relative privilege. We can even calculate the relative worth of human beings in our society Vs. those in developing countries.

Its pretty distasteful at the end of the day.

it's always been more difficult to operate on a morality system when other persons operate by amoral methods to reduce our position of privilege. the relative worth of persons is not an argueable point. each man develops his own worth, but many choose not to.

it is pretty distasteful at the end of the day.

That's only true if you believe that terrorism is a bigger issue than imperialism.

As to the bolded - it is very much the issue. Someone rolls the dice and makes the decision that X numbers of civilians needed to be massacred to achieve some oblique objective.

Kinda like playing poker with someone else's money.

[justashooter 430]

it is pretty distasteful at the end of the day.

That's only true if you believe that terrorism is a bigger issue than imperialism.

As to the bolded - it is very much the issue. Someone rolls the dice and makes the decision that X numbers of civilians needed to be massacred to achieve some oblique objective.

you mean these guys?

911 guys

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

it is pretty distasteful at the end of the day.

That's only true if you believe that terrorism is a bigger issue than imperialism.

As to the bolded - it is very much the issue. Someone rolls the dice and makes the decision that X numbers of civilians needed to be massacred to achieve some oblique objective.

you mean these guys?

911 guys

What about them?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

it is pretty distasteful at the end of the day.

That's only true if you believe that terrorism is a bigger issue than imperialism.

As to the bolded - it is very much the issue. Someone rolls the dice and makes the decision that X numbers of civilians needed to be massacred to achieve some oblique objective.

you mean these guys?

911 guys

What about them?

Checkfuckingmate, as they say in Penna.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Seriously, what's the point?

That terrorism is bad? No chit.

Or that we must defend imperialism by justifying it in the context of terrorism?

[Ban Hammer 13,659]

Geezes. Ever heard of America accepting responsibilities for human rights violation? Nah. The Republican could careless. Afterall, they started the Vietnam War.

slept thru that part of history class too eh?

[BunzTheMagicSnail 2]

The real crime is that an entire nation of good hard working people are judges solely by their leader. Was a program on PBS radio this morning the Chavez offered Obama an open hand of friendship, and how should Obama reacted? Give him the finger, push him away, turn his head, or just shake his hand? No matter what he did, would be criticized by it.

yep, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Don't we just love our dirty little secrets.

Who cares if its illegal, immoral, unethical or outrageous so long as we pretend we didn't do it.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Not everything need be just.

On Foreign Policy, if our actions are injust, we invite scrutiny and criticism from the rest of the world. The last Administration basically said that they didn't care what the rest of the world thinks. Sounded an awful lot like Saddam Hussein's attitude.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Geezes. Ever heard of America accepting responsibilities for human rights violation? Nah. The Republican could careless. Afterall, they started the Vietnam War.

slept thru that part of history class too eh?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Not everything need be just.

On Foreign Policy, if our actions are injust, we invite scrutiny and criticism from the rest of the world. The last Administration basically said that they didn't care what the rest of the world thinks. Sounded an awful lot like Saddam Hussein's attitude.

If you're going to break in to the home of a prominent gangster, kill him, take his ####### and make his wife your b1tch you better have the backing, even if covert, of people inside his inner circle. You better make damn sure his neighbors share your goal. You build a coalition of stakeholders, that doesn't mean fvckin' Poland and some central American country no ones ever heard of.

If you do that right, it doesn't matter if you're being just.

[Danno 1,228]

The real crime is that an entire nation of good hard working people are judges solely by their leader. Was a program on PBS radio this morning the Chavez offered Obama an open hand of friendship, and how should Obama reacted? Give him the finger, push him away, turn his head, or just shake his hand? No matter what he did, would be criticized by it.

yep, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

"Shaking hands" was not the issue, no one goes to meet a leader and not shake hands.

What we are talking about is Obama sitting like a freshman while these leaders trashed his country..... and how did Barry come-out-swinging in defense?

He said something like, "I hope you aren't blaming me for stuff that happened when I was a kid".

Even Bill Clinton would have threw something back at them.