K-1 about to expire yet no social security. Help!

[Levi_Heather 0]

so why can't you get married and do the AOS then at this point apply for EAD, AP, and SSA?

In Missouri, we need social security # to get a marriage license.

I'm in Missouri and my husband didn't have his social security number when we got our marriage license. We just showed his passport with the k-1 stamp.

[Levi_Heather 0]

Oops saw the problem was resolved! Lol... Good luck

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Hi,

My fiancee applied for her social security card after 14 days upon her arrival in US.

After a month, we didn't get the card so we checked back with the SSA and they said it might take up to another 2-3 weeks because of their error.

I'm getting worried because her visa is about to expire and we can't get married because we don't have marriage license.

Is there a way for USCIS to extend her K-1 Visa? I mean we're trying to get married but we just can't!

Get married. You do not need an SSN to get married. Also SS should issue the card immediately, go see a supervisor, you got a clerk that doesn't know what they are doing. My wife applied for her SSN 16 hours after arriving and had the card in 6 days. Speak to someone at SS that knows what they are doing

Also, K-1 visas do not expire, they are cancelled upon entry to the USA and replaced by the I-94. Her visa, passport and unexpired I-94 are all you need to get married or get an SSN

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Jackson County, Mo County Clerk

APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS

1) Both parties must appear together at the Record of Deeds office.

2) Both must be at least 18 years old to marry without parental consent. CLICK HERE for application requirements for those wishing to marry after their 15th birthday but prior to turning 18 -- as well as legal guidelines for marriages of individuals under 15 years old

3) Both must provide their Social Security numbers.

4) Both must have proper documentation.

I see your problem is resolved. Good. For others reading this, the Supreme Court last year ruled in the case of a Tennessee county that SSN cannot be required to obtain a marriage license. They can require them IF you have one, but cannot refuse a license if you do not have an SSN. You need to get past the untrained window clerks when you deal with these things, expecially it seems to be a problem with the SS administration. K-1s are eligible for an SSN immediately. K-2s are NOT, neither are K-3s or K-4s and they seem to confuse these alot.

[rebeccajo 14]

Jackson County, Mo County Clerk

APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS

1) Both parties must appear together at the Record of Deeds office.

2) Both must be at least 18 years old to marry without parental consent. CLICK HERE for application requirements for those wishing to marry after their 15th birthday but prior to turning 18 -- as well as legal guidelines for marriages of individuals under 15 years old

3) Both must provide their Social Security numbers.

4) Both must have proper documentation.

I see your problem is resolved. Good. For others reading this, the Supreme Court last year ruled in the case of a Tennessee county that SSN cannot be required to obtain a marriage license. They can require them IF you have one, but cannot refuse a license if you do not have an SSN. You need to get past the untrained window clerks when you deal with these things, expecially it seems to be a problem with the SS administration. K-1s are eligible for an SSN immediately. K-2s are NOT, neither are K-3s or K-4s and they seem to confuse these alot.

Is everybody who is in a 'lowly' administrative position an 'untrained' individual to you?

I mean seriously - what is up with that?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Jackson County, Mo County Clerk

APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS

1) Both parties must appear together at the Record of Deeds office.

2) Both must be at least 18 years old to marry without parental consent. CLICK HERE for application requirements for those wishing to marry after their 15th birthday but prior to turning 18 -- as well as legal guidelines for marriages of individuals under 15 years old

3) Both must provide their Social Security numbers.

4) Both must have proper documentation.

I see your problem is resolved. Good. For others reading this, the Supreme Court last year ruled in the case of a Tennessee county that SSN cannot be required to obtain a marriage license. They can require them IF you have one, but cannot refuse a license if you do not have an SSN. You need to get past the untrained window clerks when you deal with these things, expecially it seems to be a problem with the SS administration. K-1s are eligible for an SSN immediately. K-2s are NOT, neither are K-3s or K-4s and they seem to confuse these alot.

Is everybody who is in a 'lowly' administrative position an 'untrained' individual to you?

I mean seriously - what is up with that?

Rebbecca Jo, really.

No, not all people are "untrained", but untrained individuals ARE untrained individuals, and any person at SS that says a K-1 must wait is untrained, uninformed and unable to do their job correctly and that is a FACT. The window clerk at the Burlington VT SS office knew exactly what to do and my wife had her number one day after applying, her card in hand 6 days after arriving , was added to our bank account 4 days after arriving and commenced her college classes 5 days after arriving. She had a drivers license before her AOS. No questions asked, no problems and no delays in what she is entitled to. And we didn't need an attorney. The window clerk at the Burlington VT SS office is NOT untrained. She was very competent, professional and friendly. She is well trained in her job. I do not allow untrained clerks to interfere with my life and make it more difficult.

I have noticed your posts seem to consist mainly of bashing other posters rather than giving information to the questioner and when you cannot find flaw with the content of other's posts you then attack the poster (in this case, me) for their state of mind or something else equally irrelevent. It does not matter my personal opinion of (as you call them) "lowly" administrative people, if they are wrong, it is because they are untrained. Stating that a person is "untrained" is in no way an attack on that person, it is a fact, and not due to their own fault. I am at a loss to explain why you would consider the term "untrained" to be a pejorative.

As we see in this case, a person that refuses to issue a marriage license when an SSN is not required IS untrained and causes problems for people that are only doing as they should. Thank goodness that the members here question that and give good information to the OP rather than all of them defending untrained people.

But thank you for your defense (however impotent) of untrained workers everywhere. Lets see if we can continue being subservient to them, shall we?. Just do what they say? Go along with the rules they make up? Silly me, I thought perhaps giving VJ members relevent information to help them when they run into these situations may be valuable. I guess not.

[scandal 951]

Is everybody who is in a 'lowly' administrative position an 'untrained' individual to you?

I mean seriously - what is up with that?

Rebbecca Jo, really.

Now settle right back in that easy chair, pops, it's gonna be a long night.... here we go again

[rebeccajo 14]

Jackson County, Mo County Clerk

APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS

1) Both parties must appear together at the Record of Deeds office.

2) Both must be at least 18 years old to marry without parental consent. CLICK HERE for application requirements for those wishing to marry after their 15th birthday but prior to turning 18 -- as well as legal guidelines for marriages of individuals under 15 years old

3) Both must provide their Social Security numbers.

4) Both must have proper documentation.

I see your problem is resolved. Good. For others reading this, the Supreme Court last year ruled in the case of a Tennessee county that SSN cannot be required to obtain a marriage license. They can require them IF you have one, but cannot refuse a license if you do not have an SSN. You need to get past the untrained window clerks when you deal with these things, expecially it seems to be a problem with the SS administration. K-1s are eligible for an SSN immediately. K-2s are NOT, neither are K-3s or K-4s and they seem to confuse these alot.

Is everybody who is in a 'lowly' administrative position an 'untrained' individual to you?

I mean seriously - what is up with that?

Rebbecca Jo, really.

No, not all people are "untrained", but untrained individuals ARE untrained individuals, and any person at SS that says a K-1 must wait is untrained, uninformed and unable to do their job correctly and that is a FACT. The window clerk at the Burlington VT SS office knew exactly what to do and my wife had her number one day after applying, her card in hand 6 days after arriving , was added to our bank account 4 days after arriving and commenced her college classes 5 days after arriving. She had a drivers license before her AOS. No questions asked, no problems and no delays in what she is entitled to. And we didn't need an attorney. The window clerk at the Burlington VT SS office is NOT untrained. She was very competent, professional and friendly. She is well trained in her job. I do not allow untrained clerks to interfere with my life and make it more difficult.

I have noticed your posts seem to consist mainly of bashing other posters rather than giving information to the questioner and when you cannot find flaw with the content of other's posts you then attack the poster (in this case, me) for their state of mind or something else equally irrelevent. It does not matter my personal opinion of (as you call them) "lowly" administrative people, if they are wrong, it is because they are untrained. Stating that a person is "untrained" is in no way an attack on that person, it is a fact, and not due to their own fault. I am at a loss to explain why you would consider the term "untrained" to be a pejorative.

As we see in this case, a person that refuses to issue a marriage license when an SSN is not required IS untrained and causes problems for people that are only doing as they should. Thank goodness that the members here question that and give good information to the OP rather than all of them defending untrained people.

But thank you for your defense (however impotent) of untrained workers everywhere. Lets see if we can continue being subservient to them, shall we?. Just do what they say? Go along with the rules they make up? Silly me, I thought perhaps giving VJ members relevent information to help them when they run into these situations may be valuable. I guess not.

Gary - really.

Giving people relevant information is of course important. But it's also helpful that it is accurate.

Like Alla my husband had no difficulty getting a Social Security number. Because she knew what to do, she checked the SAVE system for my husband's entry to the US. My husband had entered through Dublin, Ireland (yes it IS a United States Point of Admission) but she could not yet find him in the system. So while Wes had no difficulty in getting the card, it did take about a month.

It depends on the aliens port of entry when they are reported to SAVE. How heavy their workload is; how often they send admissions to be processed into the system; how quickly the admission happens to be entered. I have no doubt that Alla received her card quickly but that does not negate the fact that other entrants find it takes a bit longer for their entry to be entered into SAVE. And the entry HAS to be verified by the SAVE system before the Social Security Administration can issue a number.

As to what you have noticed about my posts, that is your opinion. Your opinion doesn't keep me awake at night. Nor does it take away from the work I've done here over the last 4.5 years. And I try to respect the people in public service who toil for a living rather than bullying my way around, you know?

For more information about SAVE go here:

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/men...0004718190aRCRD

And for a definitive printout one can carry to the local SS office in case there is a problem go here:

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203500

Edited April 22, 2009 by rebeccajo

[rooster 1]

I agree with RJ on the facts of the entry having to be in the SAVE system before the card can be issued. We went through this ourselves. Once it was in the system, about 1 1/2 weeks for us, Danette got her SSN no problems.

[KimandRuss 0]

Good points have been made that will hopefully help others coming here to read this thread. Now, I would ask that we please stop with the back and forth and get back to topic.

No matter what the job, we are always going to find people who are unfamiliar with the process and who don't know all the ins and outs about everything. Should they? Yes, certainly... but it happens everywhere. Criticism isn't going to make them do their jobs any better... knowledge, however, might.

So, instead of verbally bashing people, it's probably a better idea that we do our best here to help arm people who must deal with this with the correct information that they can then take with them.

As rebecca stated, it's best to wait at least two weeks after entrance to the US to be sure you are in the system. But, as has been also stated, it can very much depend on your POE. It's also a good idea not to wait until you are too close to the expiration of your I-94.

Also, I think we've learned that no matter what a County website might say with regards to marriage and what is required, a valid I-94/passport are usually valid identification for someone without a ss#.