Ted Nugent: Tea stands for freedom

[natty bumppo 297]

Another indication this whole tea idea originated with the gun lobby, motivated by AG Holder's indication of wanting to reinstate the assault weapons ban.

Charlton Heston "...you'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands!"

Fear mongering at its finest.

Um ... Heston died over a year ago. What did he have to do with the events of the past week?

His famous gun rights mantra lives on. People talking about resorting to violence rather than accept the rule of law, should an assault weapons ban be reinstated. Sounds treasonous to me.

um. that expression you quoted has been around for a very very long time. Probably predates Heston's birth.

Violence instead of respecting the law? Is this your perceived starting place for respecting the law? Maybe you could start with normal street crime, illegals, etc ... you know ... respect the "rule of law" as of today's laws instead of "future laws". Oh wait ... respecting laws today is so passe. So where is YOUR outrage at "treasonous" behavior for the violent persons not respecting todays laws?

Calling for the overthrow of the government isn't your everyday, run-of-the-mill, criminal act. It's treason.

Only if you lose ...

1776

[truffles 2]

I may have missed it...but i don't recall seeing or hearing anything that called for overthrowing the government - I thought I saw people who were letting the government know they are unhappy with the decisions/ choices the government is making.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

[mawilson 2,133]

Calling for the overthrow of the government isn't your everyday, run-of-the-mill, criminal act. It's treason.

It is most certainly NOT treason.

From the Declaration of Independence:

"When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design

to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government,

and to provide new guards for their future security."

The Constitution was created to form a government whose sole purpose was to serve the People and

for no other purpose. It provides for as many protections as possible to ensure that. Should these

protections fail, it is up to us, the People, to rise up against the Government and take control and to

override their decisions that violate the fundamental rights of the People to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit

of Happiness.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Calling for the overthrow of the government isn't your everyday, run-of-the-mill, criminal act. It's treason.

It is most certainly NOT treason.

From the Declaration of Independence:

"When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design

to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government,

and to provide new guards for their future security."

The Constitution was created to form a government whose sole purpose was to serve the People and

for no other purpose. It provides for as many protections as possible to ensure that. Should these

protections fail, it is up to us, the People, to rise up against the Government and take control and to

override their decisions that violate the fundamental rights of the People to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit

of Happiness.

Mark, the trouble is that there are Right Wing Extremists who, in a fit of hysteria, lathered up by the Right Wing News and blogosphere, believe that the Government has already failed them (the big bailout, talk of assault weapons ban). These nutjobs are already talking about a violent overthrow. Now imagine if these schmucks were Radical Islamic Americans....these same Right Wing Extremists would be calling for them to be sent to Guantanamo as enemies of the state. So, at what point does someone become an enemy of the state? How many of these nuts go on a shooting rampage before we realize how dangerous their talk of overthrow is?

[pedroh 21]

omg Ted Nugent..

who listens to him? oh.. nevermind.. vj conservatives..

[natty bumppo 297]

Calling for the overthrow of the government isn't your everyday, run-of-the-mill, criminal act. It's treason.

It is most certainly NOT treason.

From the Declaration of Independence:

"When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design

to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government,

and to provide new guards for their future security."

The Constitution was created to form a government whose sole purpose was to serve the People and

for no other purpose. It provides for as many protections as possible to ensure that. Should these

protections fail, it is up to us, the People, to rise up against the Government and take control and to

override their decisions that violate the fundamental rights of the People to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit

of Happiness.

Mark, the trouble is that there are Right Wing Extremists who, in a fit of hysteria, lathered up by the Right Wing News and blogosphere, believe that the Government has already failed them (the big bailout, talk of assault weapons ban). These nutjobs are already talking about a violent overthrow. Now imagine if these schmucks were Radical Islamic Americans....these same Right Wing Extremists would be calling for them to be sent to Guantanamo as enemies of the state. So, at what point does someone become an enemy of the state? How many of these nuts go on a shooting rampage before we realize how dangerous their talk of overthrow is?

So ... the "Right Wing Extremists" mantra continues ....

Are you really that blind to history? Imagine what people loyal to the crown thought of those darn colonials?

You obviously don't know US history

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Calling for the overthrow of the government isn't your everyday, run-of-the-mill, criminal act. It's treason.

It is most certainly NOT treason.

From the Declaration of Independence:

"When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design

to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government,

and to provide new guards for their future security."

The Constitution was created to form a government whose sole purpose was to serve the People and

for no other purpose. It provides for as many protections as possible to ensure that. Should these

protections fail, it is up to us, the People, to rise up against the Government and take control and to

override their decisions that violate the fundamental rights of the People to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit

of Happiness.

Mark, the trouble is that there are Right Wing Extremists who, in a fit of hysteria, lathered up by the Right Wing News and blogosphere, believe that the Government has already failed them (the big bailout, talk of assault weapons ban). These nutjobs are already talking about a violent overthrow. Now imagine if these schmucks were Radical Islamic Americans....these same Right Wing Extremists would be calling for them to be sent to Guantanamo as enemies of the state. So, at what point does someone become an enemy of the state? How many of these nuts go on a shooting rampage before we realize how dangerous their talk of overthrow is?

So ... the "Right Wing Extremists" mantra continues ....

Are you really that blind to history? Imagine what people loyal to the crown thought of those darn colonials?

You obviously don't know US history

Taxation without representation, mister history buff. Look it up. Good grief.

[natty bumppo 297]

Calling for the overthrow of the government isn't your everyday, run-of-the-mill, criminal act. It's treason.

It is most certainly NOT treason.

From the Declaration of Independence:

"When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design

to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government,

and to provide new guards for their future security."

The Constitution was created to form a government whose sole purpose was to serve the People and

for no other purpose. It provides for as many protections as possible to ensure that. Should these

protections fail, it is up to us, the People, to rise up against the Government and take control and to

override their decisions that violate the fundamental rights of the People to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit

of Happiness.

Mark, the trouble is that there are Right Wing Extremists who, in a fit of hysteria, lathered up by the Right Wing News and blogosphere, believe that the Government has already failed them (the big bailout, talk of assault weapons ban). These nutjobs are already talking about a violent overthrow. Now imagine if these schmucks were Radical Islamic Americans....these same Right Wing Extremists would be calling for them to be sent to Guantanamo as enemies of the state. So, at what point does someone become an enemy of the state? How many of these nuts go on a shooting rampage before we realize how dangerous their talk of overthrow is?

So ... the "Right Wing Extremists" mantra continues ....

Are you really that blind to history? Imagine what people loyal to the crown thought of those darn colonials?

You obviously don't know US history

Taxation without representation, mister history buff. Look it up. Good grief.

It was more than what you mention ...

Let me use your quote ... "mister history buff. Look it up. Good grief."

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It was more than what you mention ...

Let me use your quote ... "mister history buff. Look it up. Good grief."

I'll just say this, Natty - if you endorse the calling for a violent overthrow of government, then you are no better than the Radical Islamists who have called for the end of America.

[natty bumppo 297]

It was more than what you mention ...

Let me use your quote ... "mister history buff. Look it up. Good grief."

I'll just say this, Natty - if you endorse the calling for a violent overthrow of government, then you are no better than the Radical Islamists who have called for the end of America.

It's YOUR right and responsibility ...

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security ... "

How I personally feel is not up for discussion

You can speculate how I feel all you want ... (hint: no matter how you speculate it will be viewed as a personal attack in this matter).

We can continue to have fun on vj teasing each other ... and I'd like that. Yet ... there is a point where I draw the line. I try not to cross your lines and welcome your input if I do ... and if I do ... I'll be willing to offer apologies. Fair?

Edited April 20, 2009 by Natty Bumppo

[Big Papa Zone 93]

Now that's a KICKASS tune.

[joelunchbox 0]

No, Actually it was a Lemming-fest of a bunch of people that haven't opened their eyes in at least years being led about by the republican party.....

If they wanted to do something positive, they should have banned any references to any party.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What I guess I'm not understanding is how things are supposedly so "bad" that an overthrow of the government is "needed". Seems a little premature to me.

I mean, the economy is tanking - but it was tanking when obama took office. Nothing has drastically changed for the worse to justify some sort of revolution.

Personally I think this tea party thing has been orchestrated by elements in the media, not least glen becks propaganda show.

Matt had it right yesterday, there's nothing about those events that amounts to "real" civil disobedience. they'll go through the pansy #### rigmarole of applying for the relevant permits and clearing up after themselves.

Hell, at least the G20 protesters wrecked fast food restaurants and banking offices.

[mawilson 2,133]

What I guess I'm not understanding is how things are supposedly so "bad" that an overthrow of the government is "needed". Seems a little premature to me.

I mean, the economy is tanking - but it was tanking when obama took office. Nothing has drastically changed for the worse to justify some sort of revolution.

I guess it's the gap between the pain people feel from the recession and the lack of improvement

they see from the government’s enactment of trillions of dollars in spending to bolster entities

ranging from banks and insurers to car companies.

Note how the economy appears to be recovering already, yet the stimulus money hasn’t even

started going out yet. Was it really necessary to spend it? I don't think so.

I wish the government was more willing to forgo the instant gratification of deficit-financed

spending for the sake of future prosperity.