Nicaraguan President rails against America, Obama does not react

[c_and_a 0]

Obama, as he should have done, actually took the high ground here.

While the typically childish leaders of Latin America pissed and moaned about things that were happening 25-50 years ago like they always do, Obama said it was time to move on, which it is. The real question is, will the leaders of these Latin American governments, where corruption has been endemic for years and years, listen and actually attempt to get something done or will they just keep on complaining while we continue to absorb the portions of their population that are the biggest victims to their bullheaded policies.

We acted like the parent and they acted like the child in this situation. Obama made the United States look at lot better saying what he did than if he would have devolved to their crappy level.

Edited April 19, 2009 by c_and_a

[DeadPoolX 9]

Obama, as he should have done, actually took the high ground here.

While the typically childish leaders of Latin America pissed and moaned about things that were happening 25-50 years ago like they always do, Obama said it was time to move on, which it is. The real question is, will the leaders of these Latin American governments, where corruption has been endemic for years and years, listen and actually attempt to get something done or will they just keep on complaining while we continue to absorb the portions of their population that are the biggest victims to their bullheaded policies.

We acted like the parent and they acted like the child in this situation. Obama made the United States look at lot better saying what he did than if he would have devolved to their crappy level.

I'd like to make it clear that I didn't vote for Obama and I'm not a Democrat; however, I like how Obama handled the situation. Getting in a huge argument wouldn't have solved a whole lot (if anything).

[c_and_a 0]

I'd like to make it clear that I didn't vote for Obama and I'm not a Democrat; however, I like how Obama handled the situation. Getting in a huge argument wouldn't have solved a whole lot (if anything).

Same here. I call myself an "independent conservative" and I think this was definitely the right thing to do. In no one's wildest dreams would I vote for Obama, but I'll give credit where it is due here.

[DeadPoolX 9]

I'd like to make it clear that I didn't vote for Obama and I'm not a Democrat; however, I like how Obama handled the situation. Getting in a huge argument wouldn't have solved a whole lot (if anything).

Same here. I call myself an "independent conservative" and I think this was definitely the right thing to do. In no one's wildest dreams would I vote for Obama, but I'll give credit where it is due here.

Exactly.

[Tahoma 2,292]

Obama, as he should have done, actually took the high ground here.

While the typically childish leaders of Latin America pissed and moaned about things that were happening 25-50 years ago like they always do, Obama said it was time to move on, which it is. The real question is, will the leaders of these Latin American governments, where corruption has been endemic for years and years, listen and actually attempt to get something done or will they just keep on complaining while we continue to absorb the portions of their population that are the biggest victims to their bullheaded policies.

We acted like the parent and they acted like the child in this situation. Obama made the United States look at lot better saying what he did than if he would have devolved to their crappy level.

Lesson #1: No matter how badly a parent abuses their child, the parent should never acknowledge their own poor behavior.

Lesson #2: The U.S. has done nothing bad in Latin America lately because Latin America amazingly has been in suspended animation for the past 25 years. Therefore, nothing bad could have happened.

Lesson #3: Latin Americans enjoy it when the U.S. government overthrows one of their democratically-elected governments and replaces it with a brutal dictatorship.

Lesson #4: "Banana Republics" have nothing to do with bananas. Just ask United Fruit Company.

Lesson #5: Latin Americans are always better off when they listen to our bullheaded policies.

[c_and_a 0]

Obama, as he should have done, actually took the high ground here.

While the typically childish leaders of Latin America pissed and moaned about things that were happening 25-50 years ago like they always do, Obama said it was time to move on, which it is. The real question is, will the leaders of these Latin American governments, where corruption has been endemic for years and years, listen and actually attempt to get something done or will they just keep on complaining while we continue to absorb the portions of their population that are the biggest victims to their bullheaded policies.

We acted like the parent and they acted like the child in this situation. Obama made the United States look at lot better saying what he did than if he would have devolved to their crappy level.

Lesson #1: No matter how badly a parent abuses their child, the parent should never acknowledge their own poor behavior.

Lesson #2: The U.S. has done nothing bad in Latin America lately because Latin America amazingly has been in suspended animation for the past 25 years. Therefore, nothing bad could have happened.

Lesson #3: Latin Americans enjoy it when the U.S. government overthrows one of their democratically-elected governments and replaces it with a brutal dictatorship.

Lesson #4: "Banana Republics" have nothing to do with bananas. Just ask United Fruit Company.

Lesson #5: Latin Americans are always better off when they listen to our bullheaded policies.

Do you have any room left in your time machine?

The United States did plenty of screwy things in Latin America, but moaning about it 25 years later is not going to change or help the fact. Sure, you can sit on your hands and complain about it all you want, but it is never going to get you anywhere or get anything done. There are probably venues and arenas where it is even appropriate to do so, but not in a conference where you're supposed to be getting ####### done rather than reflecting on the past century of history. If you choose to complain, you'll just make yourself feel somewhat better while the majority of your people continue to toil in poverty. Just like the majority of African American elected officials.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I didn't read the full article before I posted before. This is stated in it:

In his 17-minute address to the summit, Obama departed from his prepared remarks to mildly rebuke Ortega.

"To move forward, we cannot let ourselves be prisoners of past disagreements. I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old. Too often, an opportunity to build a fresh partnership of the Americas has been undermined by stale debates. We've all heard these arguments before."

What is 'not-reacting' about this? I think he handled it well.

Sometimes A.J. likes to push an issue, rather that clarify it.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

I didn't read the full article before I posted before. This is stated in it:

In his 17-minute address to the summit, Obama departed from his prepared remarks to mildly rebuke Ortega.

"To move forward, we cannot let ourselves be prisoners of past disagreements. I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old. Too often, an opportunity to build a fresh partnership of the Americas has been undermined by stale debates. We've all heard these arguments before."

What is 'not-reacting' about this? I think he handled it well.

Sometimes A.J. likes to push an issue, rather that clarify it.

sometimes?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I didn't read the full article before I posted before. This is stated in it:

In his 17-minute address to the summit, Obama departed from his prepared remarks to mildly rebuke Ortega.

"To move forward, we cannot let ourselves be prisoners of past disagreements. I'm grateful that President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old. Too often, an opportunity to build a fresh partnership of the Americas has been undermined by stale debates. We've all heard these arguments before."

What is 'not-reacting' about this? I think he handled it well.

Sometimes A.J. likes to push an issue, rather that clarify it.

sometimes?

I was being kind.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=192287

[pedroh 21]

I'm glad Obama is doing what Bush didn't do for 8 years.. diplomacy.. it's sad that most people are brainwashed and confuse diplomacy with weakness.. being a 'softie' and comparing it to 'OMG Obama is making the USA look weak to the world because he said Hai to Chavez" is ludicrous and shows ignorance of what real diplomacy is..

Edited April 20, 2009 by pedroh

[fozzie 41]

Spot on Pedroh. Its the idea that this is showing weakness that got the US into the many pickles they are now in;.

[DeadPoolX 9]

I'm glad Obama is doing what Bush didn't do for 8 years.. diplomacy.. it's sad that most people are brainwashed and confuse diplomacy with weakness.. being a 'softie' and comparing it to 'OMG Obama is making the USA look weak to the world because he said Hai to Chavez" is ludicrous and shows ignorance of what real diplomacy is..

To be fair, in some areas of the world, diplomacy (at least the Western view of it) can be seen as a sign of weakness. It all depends on the culture you're dealing with at the time.

Edited April 20, 2009 by DeadPoolX

[AlHayatZween 2]

Lesson #2: The U.S. has done nothing bad in Latin America lately because Latin America amazingly has been in suspended animation for the past 25 years. Therefore, nothing bad could have happened.

Lesson #3: Latin Americans enjoy it when the U.S. government overthrows one of their democratically-elected governments and replaces it with a brutal dictatorship.

Lesson #5: Latin Americans are always better off when they listen to our bullheaded policies.

Wait, are you serious?

[DeadPoolX 9]

Lesson #2: The U.S. has done nothing bad in Latin America lately because Latin America amazingly has been in suspended animation for the past 25 years. Therefore, nothing bad could have happened.

Lesson #3: Latin Americans enjoy it when the U.S. government overthrows one of their democratically-elected governments and replaces it with a brutal dictatorship.

Lesson #5: Latin Americans are always better off when they listen to our bullheaded policies.

Wait, are you serious?

I think he's being sarcastic. Look at the words and phrases he's using: it's unusual for someone to say "bullheaded" in a positive sense.

[Tahoma 2,292]

Obama, as he should have done, actually took the high ground here.

While the typically childish leaders of Latin America pissed and moaned about things that were happening 25-50 years ago like they always do, Obama said it was time to move on, which it is. The real question is, will the leaders of these Latin American governments, where corruption has been endemic for years and years, listen and actually attempt to get something done or will they just keep on complaining while we continue to absorb the portions of their population that are the biggest victims to their bullheaded policies.

We acted like the parent and they acted like the child in this situation. Obama made the United States look at lot better saying what he did than if he would have devolved to their crappy level.

Lesson #1: No matter how badly a parent abuses their child, the parent should never acknowledge their own poor behavior.

Lesson #2: The U.S. has done nothing bad in Latin America lately because Latin America amazingly has been in suspended animation for the past 25 years. Therefore, nothing bad could have happened.

Lesson #3: Latin Americans enjoy it when the U.S. government overthrows one of their democratically-elected governments and replaces it with a brutal dictatorship.

Lesson #4: "Banana Republics" have nothing to do with bananas. Just ask United Fruit Company.

Lesson #5: Latin Americans are always better off when they listen to our bullheaded policies.

Do you have any room left in your time machine?

The United States did plenty of screwy things in Latin America, but moaning about it 25 years later is not going to change or help the fact. Sure, you can sit on your hands and complain about it all you want, but it is never going to get you anywhere or get anything done. There are probably venues and arenas where it is even appropriate to do so, but not in a conference where you're supposed to be getting ####### done rather than reflecting on the past century of history. If you choose to complain, you'll just make yourself feel somewhat better while the majority of your people continue to toil in poverty. Just like the majority of African American elected officials.

Lesson #5: Latin Americans should never moan about any of the screwy things that the U.S. has done to Latin Americans during the past 25 years because c_and_a has officially declared that this history is hereby erased from the books.

Lesson #6: When Latin Americans have the ear of the President of the United States of America, they should never complain about U.S. repression over the past century and a half. There is obviously more important ####### to talk about.

Lesson #7: People complain about mistreatment only to make themselves feel better.

Lesson #8: It's perfectly OK pass judgement on what a Latin American leader says without ever having heard his speech.

Lesson #9: Bigots are allowed to post on VJ.

Thanks for the lessons.

~ Tahoma