De-fang the snake. Secede from the US now.

[mawilson 2,133]

Count me in as a secessionist.

I'm sick and tired of sending close to 50% of my income to government fat cats.

[Brit Abroad 166]

I have a bridge for sale, going very cheap.

Hahahah, shame on you, Madame Cleo. *giggle*

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Dems have way over reached, will pay in 2010!

[The_Dude 1,142]

Dems have way over reached, will pay in 2010!

LoL, keep thinking that, positive thinking will win back congress

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Mandatory disclaimer: In advocating the right of secession, the author wishes to make clear that he does not advocate racism or any other nitwit ideas commonly associated with the old Southern Confederacy.

Must be from your part of the woods.

[Ban Hammer 13,678]

Texas was one of the "13" but there was really only 11 staes in the Cofederacy, Missouri and Kentucky were neutral.

coulda fooled the hail outta kansas people in lawrence.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Mandatory disclaimer: In advocating the right of secession, the author wishes to make clear that he does not advocate racism or any other nitwit ideas commonly associated with the old Southern Confederacy.

Must be from your cultured starved part of the woods.

Fixored.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

This is spot on...

David Paul Kuhn, Real Clear Politics

(excerpt)

Credibility is always easier to lose than win. And Republicans realize they’ve lost it. When asked which political party can do a “better job” leading the country out of the recession, according to NBC News/Wall Street Journal polling, Democrats are favored by more than 2-to-1 ratio. The two parties were at par on the same question during the early 1990s recession.

“If you are raising taxes and pushing giant bills through and a year later you turnaround and say you are against that stuff, it’s a bit disingenuous,” Lacivita said. “That’s why the Republicans coming into office have a bigger responsibility to be consistent.”

Most Republicans believe the majority was lost when they lost their principles. As a result, near unanimous Republican opposition to Barack Obama’s budget and bailout.

Few issues better expose the partisan fault line than questions of bigger or smaller government. When Gallup asked voters their opinion on the “expansion of government’s role in this economy in response to the financial crisis,” 78 percent of Democrats and blue-leaning independents “approve” of it. Yet 72 percent of Republicans and red-leaning independents said they “disapprove.”

It’s worth noting that anxiety over taxes has tracked with the rise and decline of Republicans. Gallup has asked for decades whether voters consider their federal income taxes “too high, about right or too low.” The gap between “too high” and “about right” was widest in 1969, with 69 percent saying “too high” and only 25 percent saying “about right.” That gap remained wide until the late 90s. By the time George W. Bush was in office, like the dusk of the FDR majority in the early 60s, there was no gap.

This is why fiscal conservatives argue that tax policy is vital to Republican success. But the saliency of the tax issues has dulled. Only twice since 1956 have more voters said their tax burden was “about right” rather than “too much,” once in 2003 and again this year. The impact of the tax issue has lessoned in part because Republicans met their aim and lowered the tax burden. To the extent taxes remain a potent issue, it’s the Democratic president now promising tax cuts for most Americans.

Yet the chief economic issue today is not taxes but an economy in crisis. And the public views Democrats as the authority most able to bring order to that crisis. A CBS News/New York Times poll recently asked, echoing several other surveys, who is “more likely to make the right decisions about the nation's economy: Barack Obama or the Republicans in Congress?” Voters said Obama by a 3-to-1 ratio.

These are sobering days for Republicans. The recent CBS/Times poll found the least favorable public view of Republicans in a quarter century. Yet the more difficult Republican reckoning may regard less core principles than the recession testing conflicts lurking within those principles.

“When you burn down your house you’ve got a foundation to rebuild,” said Alex Castellanos, a Republican strategist.

“We are supposed to be the party of order and discipline,” as Castellanos ruefully put it.

The recession has evoked a more profound call for order, of not simply disciplined spending but disciplining the economy. This is the greater identity crisis conservatism has yet to confront.

Ironically, after the last splash of corporate libertines, it was a Republican president who backed “the most far-reaching reforms of American business” since Roosevelt. Those were George W. Bush’s words describing his signature on the Sarbanes-Oxley Act.

Yet that effort to enforce order has been wrongly welded with Bush the spendthrift. Only the latter is anathema to conservatism.

“Of all the terrors of democracy, the worst is its destruction of moral habits,” Russell Kirk once wrote.

It was conservatives who understood that free love came with costs. And in that period of cultural and urban upheaval Republicans’ won voters with calls for “law and order.” Today, during a similar period of economic upheaval, it’s Democrats calling for order and stricter enforcement. Meanwhile, as during the Great Depression, Republicans sound more the permissive than the disciplinarian. Free markets seem to have replaced free love.

[dalegg 143]

As soon as we get our stimulus money, we're outa here!

[AlHayatZween 2]

doesn't this discussion happen every decade or so?

Only when the cry-babies lose the elections. They're out of power for a couple of months and right away they want to secede and start revolutions and sh!t. Weak.

You been cryin for eight years and your b1tchin about two months?

Crying, maybe...

but if we had threatened secession, we would have been labeled treasonous and had our phones tapped...

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but if we had threatened secession, we would have been labeled treasonous and had our phones tapped...

Anger over Iraq and Bush prompts calls for secession from the US for Vermont

Friday, 5 October 2007

Vermont is now home to a growing movement agitating for outright secession from the United States.

...

The modern independence movement campaigns with a mixture of whimsy and brass-neck maintaining that the United States has lost its moral authority. They argue that the "US empire" is unsustainable and have tapped into a growing well of anger over the war in Iraq, fears for the global environment and anger at the administration of George Bush.

In 2005, activists held their first convention in the golden-domed statehouse in the state capitol Montpelier where passionate arguments were made for Vermont to quit the union. The gathering, sponsored by a group called the Second Vermont Republic, was the first statewide convention on secession in the US since 1861, when North Carolina voted to leave.

[AlHayatZween 2]

but if we had threatened secession, we would have been labeled treasonous and had our phones tapped...

Anger over Iraq and Bush prompts calls for secession from the US for Vermont

Friday, 5 October 2007

Vermont is now home to a growing movement agitating for outright secession from the United States.

...

The modern independence movement campaigns with a mixture of whimsy and brass-neck maintaining that the United States has lost its moral authority. They argue that the "US empire" is unsustainable and have tapped into a growing well of anger over the war in Iraq, fears for the global environment and anger at the administration of George Bush.

In 2005, activists held their first convention in the golden-domed statehouse in the state capitol Montpelier where passionate arguments were made for Vermont to quit the union. The gathering, sponsored by a group called the Second Vermont Republic, was the first statewide convention on secession in the US since 1861, when North Carolina voted to leave.

Thank you, Brother AJ...

But no one ever takes Vermont seriously, except when their visa applications are still pending...

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But no one ever takes Vermont seriously, except when their visa applications are still pending...

[EasyRider 3]

doesn't this discussion happen every decade or so?

Only when the cry-babies lose the elections. They're out of power for a couple of months and right away they want to secede and start revolutions and sh!t. Weak.

You been cryin for eight years and your b1tchin about two months?

What? I don't understand what you said. It actually sounds like you're making my point for me but I can't be sure. I was saying that people who apposed the Bush administration did it for 8 years and never did you hear talks of secession from the "left." And we were the ones being accused of being called, "un-American." I don't know how many times I heard, "if you don't like it, get out!" LOL! We at least have a little more stamina than ultra conservative dipsh!t secessionists. It's like dealing with a 5 year old that throws a tantrum. And lets be honest here, if Bush or any other Republican was president and was making the same decisions Obama is making, non of you would be talking about all this secessionist #######. You would be lining up like mindless drones to protect your leader from evil Liberals, no matter how despicable your leader might be, just like you did for the last 8 years. And if you say you wouldn't then you're a LIAR.

Edited April 17, 2009 by EasyRider

[Sofiyya 1,687]

doesn't this discussion happen every decade or so?

Only when the cry-babies lose the elections. They're out of power for a couple of months and right away they want to secede and start revolutions and sh!t. Weak.

You been cryin for eight years and your b1tchin about two months?

:rofl: