Study: Illegal immigrants having more kids in US

[DeadPoolX 9]

We've had people crossing over the border for centuries and while it is reasonable to place limits and conditions on who we let into this country, p!ssing and moaning about the ones who are already here and have been here for some time is just blowing hot air...

Yes, people have been crossing over for a while and Americans have been moaning and b1tching about it for a while too

Nativism was a phenomenon even in New York when the Irish were coming over in droves to escape the potato famine. Imagine that...people just trying to survive. What a concept.

Steven, no one is saying that people shouldn't be allowed a chance to survive. However, there are legal avenues to pursue if you wish to live in a country that's not your own.

In some way, I do feel bad for some of the illegals. My sense of charity stops at illegal entry (unless requesting some form of refugee status). If someone wants to move into the U.S. -- or any country -- on a permanent basis, then they must follow the law and immigrate legally.

Dude, if you had a family and your family's only chance of surviving meant you may have to break some laws, you'd do it. At least I hope you would.

Somehow I doubt every single illegal is coming over on that premise. Some are, I'm sure, but I'd venture to say the majority aren't.

I realize these people are looking for a "better life" in one capacity or another. However, that does not give them the right to break U.S. law, especially when others (such as ourselves and our loved ones) have to do it all legally.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

We've had people crossing over the border for centuries and while it is reasonable to place limits and conditions on who we let into this country, p!ssing and moaning about the ones who are already here and have been here for some time is just blowing hot air...

Yes, people have been crossing over for a while and Americans have been moaning and b1tching about it for a while too

Nativism was a phenomenon even in New York when the Irish were coming over in droves to escape the potato famine. Imagine that...people just trying to survive. What a concept.

Steven, no one is saying that people shouldn't be allowed a chance to survive. However, there are legal avenues to pursue if you wish to live in a country that's not your own.

In some way, I do feel bad for some of the illegals. My sense of charity stops at illegal entry (unless requesting some form of refugee status). If someone wants to move into the U.S. -- or any country -- on a permanent basis, then they must follow the law and immigrate legally.

Dude, if you had a family and your family's only chance of surviving meant you may have to break some laws, you'd do it. At least I hope you would.

Somehow I doubt every single illegal is coming over on that premise. Some are, I'm sure, but I'd venture to say the majority aren't.

I realize these people are looking for a "better life" in one capacity or another. However, that does not give them the right to break U.S. law, especially when others (such as ourselves and our loved ones) have to do it all legally.

It doesn't give them a "right" to do it, but that's pretty irrelevant to their reasoning I would think.

In that respect passing judgement on those people is irrelevant too IMO.

The reality of the situation is what it is, and I think people need to realise that adopting an isolationist approach to Mexico isn't realistic, and that our best bet is to remove the need for people to immigrate illegally. We can certainly do that by enforcing our laws, but long-term I think we're going to need to work with Mexico in some way or other to reduce the poverty in rural areas.

That's a bitter pill for people to swallow if it means, say outsourcing jobs from this country - but I don't think you can have it both ways.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Dude, if you had a family and your family's only chance of surviving meant you may have to break some laws, you'd do it. At least I hope you would.

Somehow I doubt every single illegal is coming over on that premise. Some are, I'm sure, but I'd venture to say the majority aren't.

I realize these people are looking for a "better life" in one capacity or another. However, that does not give them the right to break U.S. law, especially when others (such as ourselves and our loved ones) have to do it all legally.

One can only speculate the circumstances that would lead to someone risking their life to cross over into the US from Mexico, living in the shadows and working sh!t jobs just so they can send money back to their family. I sure don't want to judge them....maybe you do and others here, but I don't. If they believe they are doing what is necessary for the family's survival, I applaud them for trying.

Edited April 16, 2009 by Col. 'Bat' Guano

[Peikko 1,575]

I do not see any fist waving against for example people who speed and they too are breaking the law.

And they drive auto insurance rates up for the rest of us! Those bastards!

Are you calling me a #######?

I can tell a speeder just by looking at them, bastards.

With radar guns (and other methods), apparently the police can too.

Speed gun? Don't be silly, speeders just look funny, different. I hate them.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I do not see any fist waving against for example people who speed and they too are breaking the law.

And they drive auto insurance rates up for the rest of us! Those bastards!

Are you calling me a #######?

I can tell a speeder just by looking at them, bastards.

With radar guns (and other methods), apparently the police can too.

Speed gun? Don't be silly, speeders just look funny, different. I hate them.

I feel your hatred breathing down my neck right now...and I'm not even driving.

[Peikko 1,575]

Did I mention that they talk funny too? They do.

They are often loud, especially when drunk.

[DeadPoolX 9]

It doesn't give them a "right" to do it, but that's pretty irrelevant to their reasoning I would think.

In that respect passing judgement on those people is irrelevant too IMO.

The reality of the situation is what it is, and I think people need to realise that adopting an isolationist approach to Mexico isn't realistic, and that our best bet is to remove the need for people to immigrate illegally. We can certainly do that by enforcing our laws, but long-term I think we're going to need to work with Mexico in some way or other to reduce the poverty in rural areas.

That's a bitter pill for people to swallow if it means, say outsourcing jobs from this country - but I don't think you can have it both ways.

Of course it's irrelevant to their reasoning. That doesn't make their actions any more legal. If people were allowed to do whatever it is they believed was right for them, without regards for the law in any shape or form, we wouldn't have much of a society, let alone a country.

I don't believe anyone is suggesting we adopt an "isolationist approach." We know Mexico is there and we have to deal with it. That's fine. The U.S. could attempt to "remove the need" for illegals to come in, but for that, we need Mexico's assistance. As far as I can tell, that country really doesn't care about providing that necessary bit of help.

One can only speculate the circumstances that would lead to someone risking their life to cross over into the US from Mexico, living in the shadows and working sh!t jobs just so they can send money back to their family. I sure don't want to judge them....maybe you do and others here, but I don't. If they believe they are doing what is necessary for the family's survival, I applaud them for trying.

I judge then based upon what they do, not why they do it. If they're really interested in making a better life for themselves, they will -- at some point -- make themselves legal. Many don't bother. Essentially, they're looking for a better life at the expense of the American citizen.

[Peikko 1,575]

Speeders are scum. Speeders look like this:

Oh so innocent, NOT!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It doesn't give them a "right" to do it, but that's pretty irrelevant to their reasoning I would think.

In that respect passing judgement on those people is irrelevant too IMO.

The reality of the situation is what it is, and I think people need to realise that adopting an isolationist approach to Mexico isn't realistic, and that our best bet is to remove the need for people to immigrate illegally. We can certainly do that by enforcing our laws, but long-term I think we're going to need to work with Mexico in some way or other to reduce the poverty in rural areas.

That's a bitter pill for people to swallow if it means, say outsourcing jobs from this country - but I don't think you can have it both ways.

Of course it's irrelevant to their reasoning. That doesn't make their actions any more legal. If people were allowed to do whatever it is they believed was right for them, without regards for the law in any shape or form, we wouldn't have much of a society, let alone a country.

I don't believe anyone is suggesting we adopt an "isolationist approach." We know Mexico is there and we have to deal with it. That's fine. The U.S. could attempt to "remove the need" for illegals to come in, but for that, we need Mexico's assistance. As far as I can tell, that country really doesn't care about providing that necessary bit of help.

That's not what the Fortress America crowd have suggested - they would rather seal off the border with a Great Wall of America, and let Mexico deal with its own citizens a la Escape From New York.

[DeadPoolX 9]

Speeders are scum. Speeders look like this:

Oh so innocent, NOT!

Well, the pink is awful and somewhat disturbing on that vehicle.

It doesn't give them a "right" to do it, but that's pretty irrelevant to their reasoning I would think.

In that respect passing judgement on those people is irrelevant too IMO.

The reality of the situation is what it is, and I think people need to realise that adopting an isolationist approach to Mexico isn't realistic, and that our best bet is to remove the need for people to immigrate illegally. We can certainly do that by enforcing our laws, but long-term I think we're going to need to work with Mexico in some way or other to reduce the poverty in rural areas.

That's a bitter pill for people to swallow if it means, say outsourcing jobs from this country - but I don't think you can have it both ways.

Of course it's irrelevant to their reasoning. That doesn't make their actions any more legal. If people were allowed to do whatever it is they believed was right for them, without regards for the law in any shape or form, we wouldn't have much of a society, let alone a country.

I don't believe anyone is suggesting we adopt an "isolationist approach." We know Mexico is there and we have to deal with it. That's fine. The U.S. could attempt to "remove the need" for illegals to come in, but for that, we need Mexico's assistance. As far as I can tell, that country really doesn't care about providing that necessary bit of help.

That's not what the Fortress America crowd have suggested - they would rather seal off the border with a Great Wall of America, and let Mexico deal with its own citizens a la Escape From New York.

While I wouldn't mind a border wall,we all know it wouldn't work. So that seems like an unnecessary expenditure of tax payer dollars (which is essentially what we're trying to prevent by keeping illegals out in the first place).

[one...two...tree 2,762]

One can only speculate the circumstances that would lead to someone risking their life to cross over into the US from Mexico, living in the shadows and working sh!t jobs just so they can send money back to their family. I sure don't want to judge them....maybe you do and others here, but I don't. If they believe they are doing what is necessary for the family's survival, I applaud them for trying.

I judge then based upon what they do, not why they do it. If they're really interested in making a better life for themselves, they will -- at some point -- make themselves legal. Many don't bother. Essentially, they're looking for a better life at the expense of the American citizen.

Judging actions without knowing the circumstances is pretty callous to say the least. I hope you don't that to your children.

[DeadPoolX 9]

One can only speculate the circumstances that would lead to someone risking their life to cross over into the US from Mexico, living in the shadows and working sh!t jobs just so they can send money back to their family. I sure don't want to judge them....maybe you do and others here, but I don't. If they believe they are doing what is necessary for the family's survival, I applaud them for trying.

I judge then based upon what they do, not why they do it. If they're really interested in making a better life for themselves, they will -- at some point -- make themselves legal. Many don't bother. Essentially, they're looking for a better life at the expense of the American citizen.

Judging actions without knowing the circumstances is pretty callous to say the least. I hope you don't that to your children.

You don't know the circumstances either. You're judging the situation based upon what you believe it to be or have read about in cherry-picked articles that reinforce your viewpoint. I'm sure I've done the same, but the point remains neither of us know all the details.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

One can only speculate the circumstances that would lead to someone risking their life to cross over into the US from Mexico, living in the shadows and working sh!t jobs just so they can send money back to their family. I sure don't want to judge them....maybe you do and others here, but I don't. If they believe they are doing what is necessary for the family's survival, I applaud them for trying.

I judge then based upon what they do, not why they do it. If they're really interested in making a better life for themselves, they will -- at some point -- make themselves legal. Many don't bother. Essentially, they're looking for a better life at the expense of the American citizen.

Judging actions without knowing the circumstances is pretty callous to say the least. I hope you don't that to your children.

You don't know the circumstances either. You're judging the situation based upon what you believe it to be or have read about in cherry-picked articles that reinforce your viewpoint. I'm sure I've done the same, but the point remains neither of us know all the details.

I already stated the obvious - they are crossing over here, risking life and limb, sometimes on foot for hundreds of miles in barren desert, knowing that they must live in the shadows and work sh!t jobs. So, you either believe they're crazy as batsh!t....or perhaps in a pretty desperate situation economically.

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MC.... you've never been to bumblefvck, PA. Where he's from that ish is normal. No wonder everybody with a decent education leaves.

[Peikko 1,575]

True, I'm waiting for that newfangled railway so I can take in the sights. Should be highly entertaining.