Russian Middle Names

[Larry and Maria 0]

I'm trying to figure out what to put for middle name on the forms.

Any guidance someone can give me please?

It's always a form of the first name of the father, right?

I had a USC friend who's been married to a Russian lady for seven years so so tell me to leave off the middle name because they're all the same. I thought it odd. Now I look back and see that in the passport the first and last names are put in both English Latin letters while the middle name of the father's first name is put in Cyrillic.

What has everyone else who's been through the K-1 visa process put on your petition and the Consular DOS DS forms???

Thanks for you help.

[timelena 0]

They will probably translate her middle name when issuing the visa at the consulate. Don't worry if you are not sure how to spell it correctly - they probably don't look at how you did it, but translate from Cyrillic by themselves.

I did not apply for K-1 visa, though.

[JamesT 12]

I wrote my fiancee's middle name in English letters (Sergeevna) on the I-129F Part B Line 1, and on line 16 we wrote it in Cyrillic.

I'm not sure what she wrote on the Consular DOS forms because she did those all herself!

[Eva Malahova 0]

I'm trying to figure out what to put for middle name on the forms.

Any guidance someone can give me please?

It's always a form of the first name of the father, right?

I had a USC friend who's been married to a Russian lady for seven years so so tell me to leave off the middle name because they're all the same. I thought it odd. Now I look back and see that in the passport the first and last names are put in both English Latin letters while the middle name of the father's first name is put in Cyrillic.

What has everyone else who's been through the K-1 visa process put on your petition and the Consular DOS DS forms???

Thanks for you help.

I had put a first letter of my father's last name like

Natalia M Gorskaya - they call it middle initial

That's how the processed all my paperwork

I did teh same for my husband his Dad's name is Igor, I just put I for middle initial.

Good luck!

I'm trying to figure out what to put for middle name on the forms.

Any guidance someone can give me please?

It's always a form of the first name of the father, right?

I had a USC friend who's been married to a Russian lady for seven years so so tell me to leave off the middle name because they're all the same. I thought it odd. Now I look back and see that in the passport the first and last names are put in both English Latin letters while the middle name of the father's first name is put in Cyrillic.

What has everyone else who's been through the K-1 visa process put on your petition and the Consular DOS DS forms???

Thanks for you help.

I had put a first letter of my father's last name like

Natalia M Gorskaya - they call it middle initial

That's how the processed all my paperwork

I did teh same for my husband his Dad's name is Igor, I just put I for middle initial.

Good luck!

[akdiver 3]

As for the forms - they want a middle name, and the patronymic name serves that purpose.

Doesn't your fiancee know what her middle/patronymic name is? Can't you just ask her?

Advisable to put it in Latin alphabet everywhere except the place where they ask for original alphabet.

Good luck!

akdiver

[chili74 0]

We filled in my husband's full patronymic on all forms

[Larry and Maria 0]

Thanks for the replies. That's what I thought. It seems the advice I got was not really as correct as I assumed and hoped.

I wonder if it's ok to add Maria's patronymic name on all the form henceforth.

She'd like to use the feminine form of the French cognate and I wonder if we put that going from the Russian to an acceptable English form of the same base name would cause a problem.

If the lady changes her last name after getting married to the husband's, what's the norm for the middle name then here in the US?

[slim 1,530]

I wrote my fiancee's middle name in English letters (Sergeevna) on the I-129F Part B Line 1, and on line 16 we wrote it in Cyrillic.

I'm not sure what she wrote on the Consular DOS forms because she did those all herself!

Same here.

I used the Russian and English versions from her G-325A for the I-129F and I'm assuming she used them on her DS-156(K).

[akdiver 3]

If the lady changes her last name after getting married to the husband's, what's the norm for the middle name then here in the US?

I'd say there isn't really a "norm" - you can do whatever you want for the most part.

1). Keep middle name the way it was.

2). Use last name as middle name.

3). Hypenate middle name with previous last name (e.g First Patro-OldLast NewLast)

4). Drop the middle name entirely

5). Make something up (not legal in all states)

For what it's worth - we had a little middle-name hassle at the DMV. When she got her original license (before we got married), they refused to put her middle name on it because the I-94 didn't have it on there. It didn't seem to matter that the I-94 simply didn't have a place for a middle name. It also didn't seem to matter that the social security office correctly used her middle name either. So, her first license had only her first name and (old) last name.

After we got married, we went back to the DMV with the marriage certificate, which clearly showed her full name before and after getting married. This LEGAL DOCUMENT clearly indicated her LEGAL MIDDLE NAME, but they still refused to accept it - stating they would only change the last name as a result of marriage - and since, as far as they were concerned, she didn't have a middle name before getting married, she couldn't have one afterwards either.

Several months later, after getting her permanent resident card, we went back to the DMV because she needed to add a motorcycle endorsement to her license. We went through the same business as before, and they refused to accept the marriage certificate as evidence of middle name (which is completely illegal), and they insisted she had no middle name (it's on her passport, but that part is in Cyrillic, so they will not accept it). They refused to accept the translated birth certificate either, although I can't remember why. So, finally, we asked to see a supervisor, and then magically, the dumbass clerk was willing to accept the middle name off her PR card. Ugh!!! So, at least, her name is the same on all of her U.S. documents.

People are morons.

Cheers!

AKDiver

[slim 1,530]

That "power trip" that the clerks get to take more than makes up for the $#!^^* wages.

[timelena 0]

If the lady changes her last name after getting married to the husband's, what's the norm for the middle name then here in the US?

Middle name is a derivative from father's name in Russia. Do you think your fiancee's middle name will change after she marries you?

It will stay the same unless for some reason your wife wants to change it. One of the reasons to change it or to get rid of it may be its being so complicated When you already have first name and last name that are very difficult for Americans, why making things even more complicated by having a middle name?

I would think you may consider dropping her middle name entirely, or using the first initial of her middle name in all documents. Never heard about using last name as middle name, though.

[John and Anna 0]

If the lady changes her last name after getting married to the husband's, what's the norm for the middle name then here in the US?

Middle name is a derivative from father's name in Russia. Do you think your fiancee's middle name will change after she marries you?

It will stay the same unless for some reason your wife wants to change it. One of the reasons to change it or to get rid of it may be its being so complicated When you already have first name and last name that are very difficult for Americans, why making things even more complicated by having a middle name?

I would think you may consider dropping her middle name entirely, or using the first initial of her middle name in all documents. Never heard about using last name as middle name, though.

Hi

My Fiancée is an Attorney in Russia and she explained to me that it really is not a middle name. That the name after her first name on passport means “daughter of”. If you look at the English below it on her passport it will only show her last name. This is what we are using on our documents. Hope it’s right

[timelena 0]

My Fiancée is an Attorney in Russia and she explained to me that it really is not a middle name. That the name after her first name on passport means “daughter of”. If you look at the English below it on her passport it will only show her last name. This is what we are using on our documents. Hope it’s right

I would rather think it's a translater who could know that, not an attorney

I also suspect that employees in US Consulate in Moscow see no middle names/middle initials/correct and incorrect spellings of Russian patronymics in the applications every day, which is quite understandable. And seems like all the options are ok with them, at least as long as you are consistant.

Edited June 30, 2006 by timelena

[Joel Halfwassen 0]

This is what we did for my wife in Ukraine. We were told by the embassy we could do as we wished for the middle name as long as it matched in all of the paperwork. Katya decided to go with no middle name since that is what she was used to.

Joel

[Marc and Olga 0]

I actually consulted a lawyer on this subject.

They stated that IF the patronymic name appears on the passport for foreign travel then it is to be used as a middle name.

So that's what we did.