Moroccan Men & Foreign Brides

[landp 0]

With all the talk here lately about men marrying for greencards, relax. So what if he did want a greencard? He may also want a happy, loving marriage to a good woman to go along with that card. Be that person and always remember what brought you together, will keep you together.

I think that is naive. How can those two go together? I know some of these men and love is invented as they go along in an overblown romantic sort of way. Marriage, I thought, was about partnership and respect and friendship. Love and romance figure in strongly too - but this is something not easily fused in the Moroccan culture. Men and women are married in mostly arranged marriages. Western women are "outside the fold" of the Moroccan social structure and are thus "easier" and free. The religious conscience is soothed by knowing she must be a Christian, at least marginally. It is more of a business contract. Man gets a visa and a new life and access to money. Woman gets overblown romantic husband and fantasies fulfilled.

It is all very strange and I keep waiting for a sociologist to write a book about it. By the way, I personally know the man, Sharif, who wrote this article. He married a Moroccan woman and I married a Moroccan man -- so I am not throwing stones -- I just see so much of this that iit s starting to get ridculous.

Deeshla

Deeshla, just out of curiosity are you moroccan as well? Are you living in the United States? If so, how did you migrate to this country. I appreciate your thoughts, however, what I find naive is many of the middle-eastern marriages (inlcuding india), where the couple are from the same country, but for whatever the reason, the wife is left in the home country for "x" amount of time. While the husband is here frequenting american lovers and strip bars. More than not those are arranged marriages.

What are your thoughts if a muslim-american woman just wants to marry a muslim man from a muslim country with the hopes of leading a strong by faith partnership?

Just one last thought, marriage IS a parntership/business, you have to sign a contract. It is a partnership, and for the lucky ones, that includes love, caring and much understanding.

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[Sofiyya 1,687]

This article has some relevancy to the topic, imo. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

Eye On The Middle East: Women, Not Just Wars, On Arab Media's Minds

News Report, Jalal Ghazi,

New America Media, Mar 14, 2006

Editor’s Note: While much attention is being paid to the war in Iraq, issues regarding women in the Middle East are also making headlines in Arab media, so reports NAM contributor Jalal Ghazi. Ghazi monitors and translates Arab media for New America Media, a project of Pacific News Service, and Link TV.

UNMARRIED ARAB WOMEN CHASTISED BY THEIR SOCIETIES

According to statistics provided by Arab media, the number of Arab women who do not get married after the age of 25 has been increasing dramatically.

“A’nes” is an Arabic word used in reference to a woman who reaches a certain age without getting married. This term has a negative connotation. Women who are labeled as “a’wanes” (plural of A’nes) generally have considerably fewer chances of getting married.

Social science expert, Hsham Hussein told Al Arabiyah Television Channel that western countries also see the marriage of older women as an odd thing, but labeling women as a’wanes in the Middle East is very harmful. Women are constrained with many social taboos and stigmas and “are not allowed to live their lives normally.”

Hussein added that the reasons behind this phenomenon might vary from one Arab country to another. People living in liberal Arab societies tend to wait longer before getting married, and they consider unmarried women to be a’wanes at a much older age than those of more conservative societies.

Statistics provided by the Ministry of Social Affairs in Lebanon indicated that 83.2 percent of women between the ages of 25-30 and 5 percent of women over 34 are unmarried. In Syria 60 percent of the women between the ages 25-29 and 2.37 percent of women over the age 34 are unmarried.

Muntaha Al Ramahi, an Al Arabeyah reporter, points out that Gulf countries have the highest rates of a’wanes. Approximately 35 percent of women in Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and United Arab Emirates are a’wanes, and so are 30 percent in Saudi Arabia and 10 percent in Oman. The age of women at which they are considered a’wanes in the Gulf was not mentioned.

Al Ramahi said that these high numbers prove that the problem is not economic because rich Gulf countries usually provide their youth with a lot of economic incentives to encourage them to get married

The lowest percentage of a’wanes is in Gaza and the West Bank. Only 1 percent of Palestinian women tend to “miss the train of marriage,” Al Ramahi said.

ARAB SOCIAL RESARCHERS BLAME WESTERN VALUES FOR PROBLEMS FACING WOMEN IN NORTH AFRICA

Tunisian social researcher, Mahdi Bin Mabruk, told Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper that women are delaying their marriage as they are getting more influenced by western values.

Mabruk said Tunisian women now aspire to achieve economic independence and liberate themselves from constraints imposed on them by their societies. “There is a change in social values,” he said. “Women have found new ways of achieving emotional satisfaction. Education and economic independence have become more important priorities than marriage”.

However, this lifestyle has a price. According to Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper, 32 percent of the Tunisian women are considered a’wanes, up from 22 percent in 1994.

Nadia is a 34 year-old Tunisian woman who works at the city municipality of Tunis. “I waited too long because I wanted to find true love,” she told Al Al-Quds Al-Arabi. “I spent seven years with a man, but he got married with a relative of his and now I have to deal with being a’nes. I regret this lifestyle because I wasted many years”

A similar pattern is happening in Algeria. According to official statistics provided by the Algerian National Academy for Statistics, 11 million Algerian women are unmarried, including five million over the age 35. About 200,000 Algerian women become a’wanes every year.

Moroccan official Ahmad Lhemi told Al-Quds Al-Arabi that he is puzzled with the unprecedented high numbers of unmarried Moroccan women, pointing out that almost all women under 24 years of age are unmarried.

Dr. Aziz Ajbilo from the center of the Demographic Studies in Morocco told Al-Quds Al-Arabi that during the 1960s, women married at an average age of 17, and men married at an average age of 24. Now the average marriage age is 28 for women and 31 for men. Ajbilo added that the rate of fertility among women has decreased from seven children in 1960 to 2.5 in 2004.

This phenomenon has also become a source of concern to many Morrocans, and some called it a disease of “Western influence.” Others point to economic problems: Moroccan men have to save enough money to provide a home and pay for the wedding, which can be a challenge for many.

According AL Arabiyah television some Moroccan women are now seeking to marry non-Arabs. This is evident by the increase in the number of “Marriage Agencies” in Morocco. A 34-year-old woman visiting the agency told Al Arabiyah TV, “I’m frustrated with the social life around me. I had a failed experiment with a Moroccan man. So I came here. Eventually I met a Frenchman and we might get married next month”.

JORDANIAN WOMEN HAVE A LONG STRUGGLE AHEAD OF THEM

The Jordanian Interior Minister, Samir Al-Habashna told the Jordanian Television that the government cannot give citizenships to the husbands or children of Jordanian women who marry non-Jordanians. “The average Jordanian family is comprised of 6 members,” he explained. “If we give this right to 80 thousand Jordanian women who marry non- Jordanians, then we are talking about half a million people who will automatically receive Jordanian citizenships.”

Jordanian lawyer Rima Abu Hassan, advocating for these women, strongly disagrees, saying “I heard Samir Al-Habashna’s justification, but the issue here is not about numbers, it is about giving women their rights. Article 6 of the Jordanian constitution says that all citizens are equal. Men and women should have equal rights.”

In case of divorce, men with foreign citizenship have the rights to take the children from their mothers. Mothers have no right to ask for their children back because their children take on their father’s citizenship.

Said Aber Al Zine, a Jordanian Television reporter, “Jordanian women are confronted with many other social problems due to the lack of rules that protect their rights and the absence of women’s voice when legislations are made.”

According the Jordanian television, the International Institute for Women's Solidarity in Jordan has received an increasing numbers of battered women. One woman told the Jordanian television that, “When I told my husband that he should work and spend his money on our daughters - not in the coffee shop - he severely beat me.”

Lawyer Rima Abu Hassan said that the government has established “Social Protection Homes” to provide safe refuge for battered women, but there are not sufficient spaces to receive all battered women, especially those with children. As a result women who are sexually abused are provided with services, and battered women are often turned away.

Many Jordanian women especially in rural areas are also victimized by “honor killings,” which are usually committed by male family members against women suspected of engaging in adultery. The Al-Quds Al- Arabi reported that 19 women were killed in honor crimes last year.

According to article 98 of the Jordanian penal code, men tend to receive a sentence ranging from three months to one year in jail for committing honor killings.

EGYPTIAN WOMEN ARE PUSHED OVER THE EDGE

Yes, women also beat their husbands! That was the conclusion of a study of spousal violence conducted by the Dialogue and Development Center in Egypt. According to Al Arabiyah Television Channel, the study analyzed all stories published about spousal abuse in Egyptian Newspapers for the last six months of 2005.

One Al Arabiyah reporter said, “The results were surprising.” It turned out that women had committed 111 crimes against men (85 homicides, 15 thefts, and 11 beatings).”In contrast men committed 172 crimes against women,(150 homicides, 13 attempted homicides, and 9 beatings).

Saed Abdel-Hafiz from the Dialogue and Development Center and who conducted the study told the Al Arabiyah television: “We always hear about women poisoning their husbands because it enables them to avoid physical confrontations, but women are also becoming more creative. Some inject their husbands with poisonous substances, while others use simple household products like hair dye.”

Although the results revealed that men were still ahead in committing crimes against their wives, the study created a lot of controversy, which was evident in the headlines in the Egyptian Newspapers. “Husbands Massacre,” “Men are victims of the Soft Hands,” and “By poison, Choking, Kicking, Boxing and Severe Beating--- Women Respond to Verbal Abuse,” are some of the headlines.

Said Abdel-Hafiz, “the study results were surprising because they reveal an increase in violence committed by women. They committed only sixty less crimes than men in a period of six months.”

Nazic Nasir, a professor of social science in the American university in Cairo, believes that women are pushed to use violence because, “they have to deal with injustices and abuses. And they have no agencies to turn to for help in getting out of their unhealthy situations.”

According to Najad Alberie, secretary general of the Democratic Development Organization, “Women beating their husbands are not a new phenomenon. Researchers tend to make mistakes because they tend to base their research on data acquired from local police departments. But men often are ashamed to make a police report if they are physically abused. In reality many men are beaten by women.”

Alberie also said that wives who are subjected to beatings have to make a police report because that is the only way for them to be able get divorced from their husbands. Husbands, on the other hand, can divorce their wives anytime they want.

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[Together4ever 1]

Why not blame government policies for the hardships against men to remain in these countries instead of blaming western women or your men for being defectors? This is something Mohammed and I discuss often. Where ultimately does the responsibiity for this lie? Social change is inevitable. Just tossing this out as a thought. Of course we all have our opinions so it's all good.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

What are your thoughts if a muslim-american woman just wants to marry a muslim man from a muslim country with the hopes of leading a strong by faith partnership?

This question may have been for deeshla only, but this is what I did. I wanted to see a man in his own environment to see how he related to his family and they with him. Frankly, too many Muslim men who come to the west become spoiled and lose interest in Muslim women. They want to enjoy the freedom they have away from home and they can't have that with a practicing Muslima. A lot of the guys I went thru were looking for a "good-time" western woman, or an urfi marriage with an older woman. Some were quite open about years of sexual encounters with non-Muslim women until they were ready to settle down with a pious Muslima with a good reputation who would understand that men have their needs.

It's unrealistic to expect perfection, but to find what I was looking for, I was drawn overseas and to a place I was comfortable in. I was raised in a large, close-knit family and wanted someone who valued family and honored their parents. Now, all I have to do when my husband and I have a disagreement is tell him how much I love his mother and revere his father and he is putty in my hands!

Why not blame government policies for the hardships against men to remain in these countries instead of blaming western women or your men for being defectors?

It's rare for government policies to be made by women. Societies are generally governed by men. Andit's not a matter of blaming them, but if they are disdainful toward women doing what they freely do, there is a factor that has nothing to do with government policies, but double standards.

[soul_encounter 0]

This article has some relevancy to the topic, imo. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

Eye On The Middle East: Women, Not Just Wars, On Arab Media's Minds

News Report, Jalal Ghazi,

New America Media, Mar 14, 2006

Editor’s Note: While much attention is being paid to the war in Iraq, issues regarding women in the Middle East are also making headlines in Arab media, so reports NAM contributor Jalal Ghazi. Ghazi monitors and translates Arab media for New America Media, a project of Pacific News Service, and Link TV.

UNMARRIED ARAB WOMEN CHASTISED BY THEIR SOCIETIES

According to statistics provided by Arab media, the number of Arab women who do not get married after the age of 25 has been increasing dramatically.

“A’nes” is an Arabic word used in reference to a woman who reaches a certain age without getting married. This term has a negative connotation. Women who are labeled as “a’wanes” (plural of A’nes) generally have considerably fewer chances of getting married.

Social science expert, Hsham Hussein told Al Arabiyah Television Channel that western countries also see the marriage of older women as an odd thing, but labeling women as a’wanes in the Middle East is very harmful. Women are constrained with many social taboos and stigmas and “are not allowed to live their lives normally.”

Hussein added that the reasons behind this phenomenon might vary from one Arab country to another. People living in liberal Arab societies tend to wait longer before getting married, and they consider unmarried women to be a’wanes at a much older age than those of more conservative societies.

Statistics provided by the Ministry of Social Affairs in Lebanon indicated that 83.2 percent of women between the ages of 25-30 and 5 percent of women over 34 are unmarried. In Syria 60 percent of the women between the ages 25-29 and 2.37 percent of women over the age 34 are unmarried.

Muntaha Al Ramahi, an Al Arabeyah reporter, points out that Gulf countries have the highest rates of a’wanes. Approximately 35 percent of women in Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and United Arab Emirates are a’wanes, and so are 30 percent in Saudi Arabia and 10 percent in Oman. The age of women at which they are considered a’wanes in the Gulf was not mentioned.

Al Ramahi said that these high numbers prove that the problem is not economic because rich Gulf countries usually provide their youth with a lot of economic incentives to encourage them to get married

The lowest percentage of a’wanes is in Gaza and the West Bank. Only 1 percent of Palestinian women tend to “miss the train of marriage,” Al Ramahi said.

ARAB SOCIAL RESARCHERS BLAME WESTERN VALUES FOR PROBLEMS FACING WOMEN IN NORTH AFRICA

Tunisian social researcher, Mahdi Bin Mabruk, told Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper that women are delaying their marriage as they are getting more influenced by western values.

Mabruk said Tunisian women now aspire to achieve economic independence and liberate themselves from constraints imposed on them by their societies. “There is a change in social values,” he said. “Women have found new ways of achieving emotional satisfaction. Education and economic independence have become more important priorities than marriage”.

However, this lifestyle has a price. According to Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper, 32 percent of the Tunisian women are considered a’wanes, up from 22 percent in 1994.

Nadia is a 34 year-old Tunisian woman who works at the city municipality of Tunis. “I waited too long because I wanted to find true love,” she told Al Al-Quds Al-Arabi. “I spent seven years with a man, but he got married with a relative of his and now I have to deal with being a’nes. I regret this lifestyle because I wasted many years”

A similar pattern is happening in Algeria. According to official statistics provided by the Algerian National Academy for Statistics, 11 million Algerian women are unmarried, including five million over the age 35. About 200,000 Algerian women become a’wanes every year.

Moroccan official Ahmad Lhemi told Al-Quds Al-Arabi that he is puzzled with the unprecedented high numbers of unmarried Moroccan women, pointing out that almost all women under 24 years of age are unmarried.

Dr. Aziz Ajbilo from the center of the Demographic Studies in Morocco told Al-Quds Al-Arabi that during the 1960s, women married at an average age of 17, and men married at an average age of 24. Now the average marriage age is 28 for women and 31 for men. Ajbilo added that the rate of fertility among women has decreased from seven children in 1960 to 2.5 in 2004.

This phenomenon has also become a source of concern to many Morrocans, and some called it a disease of “Western influence.” Others point to economic problems: Moroccan men have to save enough money to provide a home and pay for the wedding, which can be a challenge for many.

According AL Arabiyah television some Moroccan women are now seeking to marry non-Arabs. This is evident by the increase in the number of “Marriage Agencies” in Morocco. A 34-year-old woman visiting the agency told Al Arabiyah TV, “I’m frustrated with the social life around me. I had a failed experiment with a Moroccan man. So I came here. Eventually I met a Frenchman and we might get married next month”.

JORDANIAN WOMEN HAVE A LONG STRUGGLE AHEAD OF THEM

The Jordanian Interior Minister, Samir Al-Habashna told the Jordanian Television that the government cannot give citizenships to the husbands or children of Jordanian women who marry non-Jordanians. “The average Jordanian family is comprised of 6 members,” he explained. “If we give this right to 80 thousand Jordanian women who marry non- Jordanians, then we are talking about half a million people who will automatically receive Jordanian citizenships.”

Jordanian lawyer Rima Abu Hassan, advocating for these women, strongly disagrees, saying “I heard Samir Al-Habashna’s justification, but the issue here is not about numbers, it is about giving women their rights. Article 6 of the Jordanian constitution says that all citizens are equal. Men and women should have equal rights.”

In case of divorce, men with foreign citizenship have the rights to take the children from their mothers. Mothers have no right to ask for their children back because their children take on their father’s citizenship.

Said Aber Al Zine, a Jordanian Television reporter, “Jordanian women are confronted with many other social problems due to the lack of rules that protect their rights and the absence of women’s voice when legislations are made.”

According the Jordanian television, the International Institute for Women's Solidarity in Jordan has received an increasing numbers of battered women. One woman told the Jordanian television that, “When I told my husband that he should work and spend his money on our daughters - not in the coffee shop - he severely beat me.”

Lawyer Rima Abu Hassan said that the government has established “Social Protection Homes” to provide safe refuge for battered women, but there are not sufficient spaces to receive all battered women, especially those with children. As a result women who are sexually abused are provided with services, and battered women are often turned away.

Many Jordanian women especially in rural areas are also victimized by “honor killings,” which are usually committed by male family members against women suspected of engaging in adultery. The Al-Quds Al- Arabi reported that 19 women were killed in honor crimes last year.

According to article 98 of the Jordanian penal code, men tend to receive a sentence ranging from three months to one year in jail for committing honor killings.

EGYPTIAN WOMEN ARE PUSHED OVER THE EDGE

Yes, women also beat their husbands! That was the conclusion of a study of spousal violence conducted by the Dialogue and Development Center in Egypt. According to Al Arabiyah Television Channel, the study analyzed all stories published about spousal abuse in Egyptian Newspapers for the last six months of 2005.

One Al Arabiyah reporter said, “The results were surprising.” It turned out that women had committed 111 crimes against men (85 homicides, 15 thefts, and 11 beatings).”In contrast men committed 172 crimes against women,(150 homicides, 13 attempted homicides, and 9 beatings).

Saed Abdel-Hafiz from the Dialogue and Development Center and who conducted the study told the Al Arabiyah television: “We always hear about women poisoning their husbands because it enables them to avoid physical confrontations, but women are also becoming more creative. Some inject their husbands with poisonous substances, while others use simple household products like hair dye.”

Although the results revealed that men were still ahead in committing crimes against their wives, the study created a lot of controversy, which was evident in the headlines in the Egyptian Newspapers. “Husbands Massacre,” “Men are victims of the Soft Hands,” and “By poison, Choking, Kicking, Boxing and Severe Beating--- Women Respond to Verbal Abuse,” are some of the headlines.

Said Abdel-Hafiz, “the study results were surprising because they reveal an increase in violence committed by women. They committed only sixty less crimes than men in a period of six months.”

Nazic Nasir, a professor of social science in the American university in Cairo, believes that women are pushed to use violence because, “they have to deal with injustices and abuses. And they have no agencies to turn to for help in getting out of their unhealthy situations.”

According to Najad Alberie, secretary general of the Democratic Development Organization, “Women beating their husbands are not a new phenomenon. Researchers tend to make mistakes because they tend to base their research on data acquired from local police departments. But men often are ashamed to make a police report if they are physically abused. In reality many men are beaten by women.”

Alberie also said that wives who are subjected to beatings have to make a police report because that is the only way for them to be able get divorced from their husbands. Husbands, on the other hand, can divorce their wives anytime they want.

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This article is great. I think the world will see a lot more drastic changes in these countries in the next few years regarding women. You know, one thing I observed in my time in morocco, was the fact that everywhere we went, it was mainly young "women" working, while there was an extraordinary amount of young "men" lazing around unemployed. When asking my fiance about this, he replied "The owners prefer to hire the women. They work hardly and take less money than a man." Hmmmm hey moroccan gals, they know you are great employees, now work on "equal pay". Too, both of my fiances sisters, ages 23 and 24 are unmarried, and neither have a desire to be married as of yet as they are both pursuing furthering education. One just turned down a male suitor and was totally supported by her family in doing so. My mother - in - law to be, is in her 50s married twice divorced twice, and guess what, has a bf...lol So cute.

[deeshla 0]

With all the talk here lately about men marrying for greencards, relax. So what if he did want a greencard? He may also want a happy, loving marriage to a good woman to go along with that card. Be that person and always remember what brought you together, will keep you together.

I think that is naive. How can those two go together? I know some of these men and love is invented as they go along in an overblown romantic sort of way. Marriage, I thought, was about partnership and respect and friendship. Love and romance figure in strongly too - but this is something not easily fused in the Moroccan culture. Men and women are married in mostly arranged marriages. Western women are "outside the fold" of the Moroccan social structure and are thus "easier" and free. The religious conscience is soothed by knowing she must be a Christian, at least marginally. It is more of a business contract. Man gets a visa and a new life and access to money. Woman gets overblown romantic husband and fantasies fulfilled.

It is all very strange and I keep waiting for a sociologist to write a book about it. By the way, I personally know the man, Sharif, who wrote this article. He married a Moroccan woman and I married a Moroccan man -- so I am not throwing stones -- I just see so much of this that iit s starting to get ridculous.

Deeshla

Deeshla, just out of curiosity are you moroccan as well? Are you living in the United States? If so, how did you migrate to this country. I appreciate your thoughts, however, what I find naive is many of the middle-eastern marriages (inlcuding india), where the couple are from the same country, but for whatever the reason, the wife is left in the home country for "x" amount of time. While the husband is here frequenting american lovers and strip bars. More than not those are arranged marriages.

What are your thoughts if a muslim-american woman just wants to marry a muslim man from a muslim country with the hopes of leading a strong by faith partnership?

Just one last thought, marriage IS a parntership/business, you have to sign a contract. It is a partnership, and for the lucky ones, that includes love, caring and much understanding.

I agree with you. For the record I am an American woman married to a Moroccan man. In honesty, I believe people should get married for whatever reasons they want -- as long as there is mutual consent (seeing 13 year-olds get married in the "bled" makes me wonder about this)

I have seen really successful arranged marriages here -- where love comes later. And I have seen romantic marriages fizzle after a few years. Conversely I have seen horrible arranged marriages (women in the Moroccan countryside are considered damaged-goods after divorce) - horrible for the woman expecially... And I have seen romantic marriages grow and blossom over time (my parents!)

About strong faith by partnership - sounds good, I just hope there is more in the mix besides a common religion.

What freaks me out are internet love affairs that turn into engagements, overseas. I know this might get me hate mail and/or criticism -- but I just don't get it. That is not to say it isn't possible - if I start to break it down I see that it is possible. But after seeing all the deception in internet cafes here (it is common for me to give struggling men English lessons as they correspond with their fiancees) I feel like some women are getting shafted. But if they know what it is, really know what this contract is -- a chance for the man to get out of Morocco, etc -- then more power to them. And I believe a loving relationship could bloom from that. But this is what I think is naive - assuming that marriage = romance despite the motives on both parties.

I agree that marriage is a partnership and business contract. So much is about logistics. Love is important but it cannot sustain a marriage in my opinion - I think there needs to be a certain common ground, an ability to really live in the same space and work towards common goals. But then again I have only been married for a month so what do I know!!??

[Together4ever 1]

Why not blame government policies for the hardships against men to remain in these countries instead of blaming western women or your men for being defectors?

It's rare for government policies to be made by women. Societies are generally governed by men. Andit's not a matter of blaming them, but if they are disdainful toward women doing what they freely do, there is a factor that has nothing to do with government policies, but double standards.

Just to clarify, I was not stating women made or should make policies. I meant, why not look to the governments and their policies for the hardships created FOR the men in the societies so they would not be so eager to "defect". I don't want to get into a big thing over this. Just clarifying what I actually said.

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I don’t know if anyone is still reading this post, but I just recently googled myself and was surprised to see my article as the subject of so much discussion. I wrote this article just as I was leaving Morocco about two years ago. Thanks to all for the positive feedback.

Some of you mentioned that this is was a sociological phenomena that someone should write a book about. I couldn’t agree more, and while I’m not a terribly serious writer, that was part of my intention with this article. I had just noticed something peculiar about the society that I was living in, and I wanted to document it. The descriptions and explanations that I had offered were the result of my observations and opinions, not any sort of psychiatric or sociological research. Although, in the years that have passed since I wrote this article, it seems to have become a much hotter topic. Simply the fact that there is now a web forum devoted to it is proof positive of that. It seems to be a growing phenomenon as well, as communication networks improve efficiency and Americans growing more and more aware of the outside world (the silver lining of the otherwise unfortunately newsworthy events in the Mid East and North Africa). I wouldn’t be surprised to see a book or a serious study of internet relationships arise within the next couple of years. At the very least, I can see a transatlantic dating/matchmaking service popping up. Private enterprise is usually the first to surf the wave of a growing trend.

Deeshla, you mentioned that you know me, but I don’t remember that name. I’m guessing it’s a screen name. But you are correct in saying that I married a Moroccan woman. We actually just passed our second anniversary, and making all the plans (children, career, lifestyle) that accompany that territory. I didn’t meet her over the internet, she was my host-town sweetheart and actually had a rather traditional relationship over a sizable period of time before I proposed.

Not to say that as a critique of an internet marriage. As I tried to make the final point article, I don’t think there was anything markedly different in the successes of internet marriages vs “traditional ones”. While it seemed unusual to me, it wasn’t any more unusual from any of the other lifestyle differences that I got used to over there. My final realization was that to say that an Internet romance was wrong or incorrect or irresponsible would be judgmental, pure and simple. If I trust that the people who are involving themselves in an Internet relationship are responsible adults, not costing any outside party or society at large any harm, then why should their choice to do so be any of my business? Doesn’t any relationship have its share of gaps to overcome? Is it inherently more worrisome than a couple who meet in a bar, both of whom went there looking to score that evening and may or may not have been sober enough to remember the circumstances surrounding their first meeting?

I understand the concern that people would have seeing someone they cared about involved in an Internet relationship. Certainly, the idea of a fully developed and responsible relationship coming through such remote means takes a bit of a leap of faith. But considering the responses that I’ve seen so far in this posting, and from my own experiences both here and over there, successful relationships come in all shapes, sizes, structures and colors. A little concern certainly shows you care, but concern because you care and concern because you want to control can be a fine line. I have to believe that sometimes the best way to care about someone is to trust and respect their decisions.

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I don't know if anyone is still reading this post, but I just recently googled myself and was surprised to see my article as the subject of so much discussion. I wrote this article just as I was leaving Morocco about two years ago. Thanks to all for the positive feedback.

Thanks for dropping in and commenting. By doing so it makes this thread alive again and at a good time in my opinion as there is a similar thread discussing similar issues. I really enjoyed the article and thinks it speaks volumes about what we often ignore when we make generalizations.

[deeshla 0]

I don’t know if anyone is still reading this post, but I just recently googled myself and was surprised to see my article as the subject of so much discussion. I wrote this article just as I was leaving Morocco about two years ago. Thanks to all for the positive feedback.

Some of you mentioned that this is was a sociological phenomena that someone should write a book about. I couldn’t agree more, and while I’m not a terribly serious writer, that was part of my intention with this article. I had just noticed something peculiar about the society that I was living in, and I wanted to document it. The descriptions and explanations that I had offered were the result of my observations and opinions, not any sort of psychiatric or sociological research. Although, in the years that have passed since I wrote this article, it seems to have become a much hotter topic. Simply the fact that there is now a web forum devoted to it is proof positive of that. It seems to be a growing phenomenon as well, as communication networks improve efficiency and Americans growing more and more aware of the outside world (the silver lining of the otherwise unfortunately newsworthy events in the Mid East and North Africa). I wouldn’t be surprised to see a book or a serious study of internet relationships arise within the next couple of years. At the very least, I can see a transatlantic dating/matchmaking service popping up. Private enterprise is usually the first to surf the wave of a growing trend.

Deeshla, you mentioned that you know me, but I don’t remember that name. I’m guessing it’s a screen name. But you are correct in saying that I married a Moroccan woman. We actually just passed our second anniversary, and making all the plans (children, career, lifestyle) that accompany that territory. I didn’t meet her over the internet, she was my host-town sweetheart and actually had a rather traditional relationship over a sizable period of time before I proposed.

Not to say that as a critique of an internet marriage. As I tried to make the final point article, I don’t think there was anything markedly different in the successes of internet marriages vs “traditional ones”. While it seemed unusual to me, it wasn’t any more unusual from any of the other lifestyle differences that I got used to over there. My final realization was that to say that an Internet romance was wrong or incorrect or irresponsible would be judgmental, pure and simple. If I trust that the people who are involving themselves in an Internet relationship are responsible adults, not costing any outside party or society at large any harm, then why should their choice to do so be any of my business? Doesn’t any relationship have its share of gaps to overcome? Is it inherently more worrisome than a couple who meet in a bar, both of whom went there looking to score that evening and may or may not have been sober enough to remember the circumstances surrounding their first meeting?

I understand the concern that people would have seeing someone they cared about involved in an Internet relationship. Certainly, the idea of a fully developed and responsible relationship coming through such remote means takes a bit of a leap of faith. But considering the responses that I’ve seen so far in this posting, and from my own experiences both here and over there, successful relationships come in all shapes, sizes, structures and colors. A little concern certainly shows you care, but concern because you care and concern because you want to control can be a fine line. I have to believe that sometimes the best way to care about someone is to trust and respect their decisions.

Sharif! It is Amanda from Peace Corps. Ice cream in Fes?

I will send you a personal message.