father of 14 children, jailed, owes half-million in child support

[Danno 1,228]

There are only 2 victims in this story, the Children born into this chaos and the tax payer.. who ends up picking up the tab for the support of these fatherless kids.

Thomas Frazier, father of 14 children, jailed for owing more than half-million in child support

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/...r_of_14_ch.html

Posted by Bryn Mickle | The Flint Journal April 11, 2009 08:00AM

FLINT, Michigan -- Fourteen children by 13 different women in Genesee County and more than $530,000 in unpaid child support.

Even in a county with $700 million in uncollected child support, Thomas Frazier may hold the unenviable title of biggest deadbeat dad.

After years of dodging support payments, Frazier was thrown in jail this week and given the choice of doing 90 days or coming up with about $28,000.

"This guy gives fathers a bad name," said Genesee County Friend of the Court Jack Battles.

Thomas Frazier

Before leaving the Flint area in 2002, Frazier amassed court cases for 14 children born since 1989 and has not paid any money on any of his Genesee County child support cases in at least the past six years, according to court records.

Frazier, 42, portrays himself as the victim.

The victim of a system that he says saddled him with debt for children he claims aren't all his and the victim of a poor upbringing that he said caused him to seek affection from older women.

"I tried to find someone who would love me for me," said Frazier, who believes he may have fathered his first child at age 15.

Authorities say Frazier is a serial womanizer who bounces from state to state and hasn't paid child support in years.

Frazier owes Talisha Tyler about $40,000 for a 14-year-old daughter. Tyler said he has never even bought so much as a diaper.

"Thomas has never been involved in her life -- period," said Tyler.

A Genesee County judge on Thursday ordered Frazier to spend 90 days in jail unless he comes up with $4,100 for Tyler.

Even if he comes up with that money, the judge ordered him to spend 90 days in jail on another case. On top of that, the judge gave him 45 days jail on six other cases.

In all, Frazier is looking at three months in jail unless he comes up with at least $27,900.

Tyler would just as soon see him go to prison for much longer.

"He's a fast talker," she said. "He's not going to pay it."

Frazier doesn't dispute that he owes a sizable amount, but said it was unrealistic for the county to expect him to pay so much support.

"At one point, I owed like $3,000 (a month)," he said. "Nobody makes that much."

He said he believes in his hear that only three of the children -- two daughters and a son -- are actually his.

The rest, he says, were born of women he may have slept with but who lied and claimed he was the father, giving the court false addresses for Frazier so that he could never show up to contest paternity.

Local officials, however, say Frazier has a story for everything.

In October, Friend of the Court officials said Frazier gave them a false Social Security number and tried to convince investigators he was someone else.

He remained under the radar until late last month when he got pulled over in Iowa for a broken taillight on his Mercedes Benz.

In his pocket, police found $5,000 in cash and plane tickets to Florida.

Frazier said he is unemployed and local officials said they do not know what he does for a living.

Frazier said he was actually on his way back to Flint and planned to use the $5,000 as a good faith payment on his child support.

The cop tossed him in jail on child support warrants and then had him delivered Wednesday to the Genesee County Jail.

Frazier says he "messed up" and wants to take care of his mistakes, but hopes the Friend of the Court will knock down his bill to a more manageable $200,000 and set him free.

"There's not a lot I can do in jail," Frazier said.

Frazier's plan for freedom won't get a lot of support from the Friend of the Court.

"We will seek prison," said Battles, who says he's heard a litany of excuses from Frazier.

Battles said he's willing to work with Frazier but said it's going to take a lot more than $5,000.

"It will take six digits," said Battles.

His current jail term aside, Frazier is also looking at further legal woes for his probation violation cases.

Genesee County Prosecutor David Leyton is not in a forgiving mood, noting that Frazier was rolling around in Mercedes Benz with thousands of dollars and plane tickets at the same time he wasn't paying his child support.

"Shame on him for abandoning his children while he lives 'The Life of Riley,'" said Leyton.

Frazier, who has already spent five years on probation for attempted non support of a child, does have one piece of advice for his children.

"Use a condom," he said. "You don't want to end up like your dad."

© 2009 Michigan Live. All Rights Reserved.

[wifetobe 2]

just another waste of space man..

[JVKn'CVO 11]

The victim of a system that he says saddled him with debt for children he claims aren't all his and the victim of a poor upbringing that he said caused him to seek affection from older women.

Riiiight

What a scum!

Saludos,

Caro

[fozzie 41]

Can they force him to take a paternity test now that they have him? He's probably scared that he will find out he has more unclaimed children. Loser!

[NickD 203]

This hits close to home with new state laws, while I did get full physical custody of my kids, still got hit with alimony payments toward my wicked lazy ex and had the state on my a$$ constantly reminding me to make payments that weren't even due yet along with threatening phone calls. Did go back to court and got an agreement for a one time payoff, and was with great pleasure going to their county office with a check and receiving complete documents freeing me of this extra responsibility.

While extremely deep in debt, was surprised as to how quickly I recovered without that b!tch blowing the family money quicker than I could earn it. But even jail was threatened to me if I didn't make those alimony payments and could only ask how I could take care of my kids if I was in jail.

But with this guy, we have lots of those in both Milwaukee and Madison, and we as taxpayers are getting stuck with the bill. I later learned that most of these kids are getting Medicaid, not because of some major disease, but because of drug and alcohol addiction. Whatever, a hunk of my tax bill is going to these kids, and I don't like that either, have enough problems taking care of my own. And our stupid state was paying these women to have kids! The more they had, the more money they would get!

Is there really a solution to the problems are leaders are making?

[Danno 1,228]

The victim of a system that he says saddled him with debt for children he claims aren't all his and the victim of a poor upbringing that he said caused him to seek affection from older women.

Riiiight

What a scum!

Saludos,

Caro

Every one wants to play the victim, I don't even see his list of bed partners as victims in any sense.

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't see the point of trying to model society on the activities of extremists. This is an example of an extreme life if ever there was one. It is not going to have any real bearing on your taxes and how they get spent.

[Danno 1,228]

I don't see the point of trying to model society on the activities of extremists. This is an example of an extreme life if ever there was one. It is not going to have any real bearing on your taxes and how they get spent.

While I agree basing public policy around odd cases have been harmful, I don't think this guys case is rare.. except for the number and that he was caught.

Collectively these situation have taken a huge toll in both tax dollars and social damage.

Any idea what percentage of inmates grew up without their father?

That number is both stunning and telling.

[JanaknJanet 0]

Interesting part Im sure is .. at that amount owed.. he is better off taking a loan at a high % than to continue the way it is now.. .. arrearages are most likely more than what his payment amount is..

This is what has happened to my scumbag X did.. he currently owes $108K .. his order for support is $335 a month.. but now with arrearges owes $450 additional . Amount owed of past support without arrearages is close to $60,000.

The state finally tracked him down last year... he ended up jailed and extrodited from California to Oregon .. for 3 months.. they took away his drivers license.. etc..

He ruffled the judge a few times while in court and was slapped with 2 contempt charges.. in addition to the 4 felony charges of non support payment.

Sure the system has failed.. but .. for whom?? surely not for him... might I say.. for this other fella.. .. Im sure he will cry a river for having to serve time... but .. he knows how to work the system.. as do many of the jerks.. whether it be dead beat moms or dads..

being a schmuck isnt biased

And might I add..

NOT all Fatherless.. children grow up neglected nor society respiblities.

Many grow up better for never having to have them in their lives.. .. ..

Edited April 13, 2009 by JanaknJanet

[yogib37 3]

Can they force him to take a paternity test now that they have him? He's probably scared that he will find out he has more unclaimed children. Loser!

Will they read the results on Muray Provich Show on Dead beat Dad's

tomorrow on Muray Porvich, see if this man is a father of 14 kids by 13 differnt women. Stay tune for the results

:lol: :lol:

[sara..... 371]

i dont see the point in putting these dead beat fathers in jail and just letting them set there, we the tax payer end up paying for his housing in jail, now if they want to put him in jail and then force him to do road work or some other form of physical labor to pay off the child support bill as well as his up keep in jail and not let him out until its complete that makes sense to me but this habit of just locking them up where is the lesson in that?

sara

[Danno 1,228]

i dont see the point in putting these dead beat fathers in jail and just letting them set there, we the tax payer end up paying for his housing in jail, now if they want to put him in jail and then force him to do road work or some other form of physical labor to pay off the child support bill as well as his up keep in jail and not let him out until its complete that makes sense to me but this habit of just locking them up where is the lesson in that?

sara

Sara, if you will run fr office you have my vote but be certain, .....there are a whole host of "advocates" who will fight any effort at making prisoners work.

Last time I checked, even the road crews are there by choice and getting paid a small sum for cleaning up trash.

[Danno 1,228]

And might I add..

NOT all Fatherless.. children grow up neglected nor society respiblities.

Many grow up better for never having to have them in their lives.. .. ..

yeah I agree, some kids do grow up to be model citizens with no father but as statistics show, the odds are greatly reduced.

I also agree any bad man should be kept away from influencing a womans children (even their father), but better yet; if the mother choose carefully the father for her children.

You can't always predict how a marriage will turnout but it's fairly easy to spot a person you would not want around kids.

[AlHayatZween 2]

i dont see the point in putting these dead beat fathers in jail and just letting them set there, we the tax payer end up paying for his housing in jail, now if they want to put him in jail and then force him to do road work or some other form of physical labor to pay off the child support bill as well as his up keep in jail and not let him out until its complete that makes sense to me but this habit of just locking them up where is the lesson in that?

sara

just more tax dollars gone to waste...

[NickD 203]

I don't see the point of trying to model society on the activities of extremists. This is an example of an extreme life if ever there was one. It is not going to have any real bearing on your taxes and how they get spent.

From http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cse/pubs/2.../annual_report/

"In FY 2004, the Child Support Enforcement Program collected and distributed almost $22 billion to families and children."

Wouldn't call these cases rare, heard something on our local news last week about 33,000 some odd cases like this in Wisconsin.

This story really isn't news, I am certainly not against it, but there is a bias toward the guy when it takes two to tangle, that part isn't exactly fair.

We also have the grandparent act, if your kids under 18 do it, both sets of grandparents pay all the bills for the medical and support of the child.

But if an illegal minor young girl gets pregnant, they take care of her, and won't deport her because her kid is a USC.

Think we live in a screwed up country.