Homosexuality & the Church

[Chica Yeyé 41]

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Forgive me for not reading the whole thing, BUt the first part asks something about "why" such a strong stand against Gay sex or gay marriage.

It's my opinion many people misunderstand Christians and the Motivations for resisting the Gay-lifestyle, so much more so than other sexual practices (which share perhaps equal condemnation by scripture and thousands of years of tradition and history).

It's not really so much about sex, it's about taking something immoral and trying to claim its moral, healthy and natural.

Sure there are plenty of sexual immorality all over the place, but The Homosexuals are unique in that they insist and have as a goal that others, accept what they do as; moral, healthy and natural.

......It just so happens that the vast majority of people in the world disagree on all three counts.

Danno, the author is saying that the message of Jesus, his words and his actions that we come to know through the Gospel showed that any literal adherence to Scripture is undermining the real message of Jesus - which is love. It's that simple, yet profound. Ultimately, what we need to rely on is searching in our heart God's Truth, which when attempted by mere Scripture alone is haphazard and really misses the mark. So when you see a gay couple who are in loving and commited relationship, you should see that as example of God's love rather than something which would cause God to be upset or perterbed by. In fact, I think He's pretty upset and perterbed by the Christians who have not shown their gay brothers and sisters, the love and acceptance that Jesus taught them.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Brother Steven, I loved your last pot. I mean that

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Brother Steven, I loved your last pot. I mean that

Thanks, sis.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Brother Steven, I loved your last pot. I mean that

Thanks, sis.

I've said it before. Spirituality is LIVED, or it is false. So, bravo

[Danno 1,228]

Forgive me for not reading the whole thing, BUt the first part asks something about "why" such a strong stand against Gay sex or gay marriage.

It's my opinion many people misunderstand Christians and the Motivations for resisting the Gay-lifestyle, so much more so than other sexual practices (which share perhaps equal condemnation by scripture and thousands of years of tradition and history).

It's not really so much about sex, it's about taking something immoral and trying to claim its moral, healthy and natural.

Sure there are plenty of sexual immorality all over the place, but The Homosexuals are unique in that they insist and have as a goal that others, accept what they do as; moral, healthy and natural.

......It just so happens that the vast majority of people in the world disagree on all three counts.

Danno, the author is saying that the message of Jesus, his words and his actions that we come to know through the Gospel showed that any literal adherence to Scripture is undermining the real message of Jesus - which is love. It's that simple, yet profound. Ultimately, what we need to rely on is searching in our heart God's Truth, which when attempted by mere Scripture alone is haphazard and really misses the mark. So when you see a gay couple who are in loving and commited relationship, you should see that as example of God's love rather than something which would cause God to be upset or perterbed by. In fact, I think He's pretty upset and perterbed by the Christians who have not shown their gay brothers and sisters, the love and acceptance that Jesus taught them.

We also know of couples who are together and committed (as much as possible) to each other, the

only problem is they are not married to each other. Certainly we should love these people too but let's not confuse "loving" to .....excusing or accepting ones choices in life.

There are couples who are together for a wide assortment of reasons and circumstances, everything from the most beautiful and healthy to the most sick and perverse, surely you are not suggesting that we should limit our response to "love" alone, no matter the circumstance?

As I said before, it's not that they are having weird sex, it's that they want me to agree with them that it's not weird.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Please define "weird sex".

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Forgive me for not reading the whole thing, BUt the first part asks something about "why" such a strong stand against Gay sex or gay marriage.

It's my opinion many people misunderstand Christians and the Motivations for resisting the Gay-lifestyle, so much more so than other sexual practices (which share perhaps equal condemnation by scripture and thousands of years of tradition and history).

It's not really so much about sex, it's about taking something immoral and trying to claim its moral, healthy and natural.

Sure there are plenty of sexual immorality all over the place, but The Homosexuals are unique in that they insist and have as a goal that others, accept what they do as; moral, healthy and natural.

......It just so happens that the vast majority of people in the world disagree on all three counts.

Danno, the author is saying that the message of Jesus, his words and his actions that we come to know through the Gospel showed that any literal adherence to Scripture is undermining the real message of Jesus - which is love. It's that simple, yet profound. Ultimately, what we need to rely on is searching in our heart God's Truth, which when attempted by mere Scripture alone is haphazard and really misses the mark. So when you see a gay couple who are in loving and commited relationship, you should see that as example of God's love rather than something which would cause God to be upset or perterbed by. In fact, I think He's pretty upset and perterbed by the Christians who have not shown their gay brothers and sisters, the love and acceptance that Jesus taught them.

We also know of couples who are together and committed (as much as possible) to each other, the

only problem is they are not married to each other. Certainly we should love these people too but let's not confuse "loving" to .....excusing or accepting ones choices in life.

There are couples who are together for a wide assortment of reasons and circumstances, everything from the most beautiful and healthy to the most sick and perverse, surely you are not suggesting that we should limit our response to "love" alone, no matter the circumstance?

As I said before, it's not that they are having weird sex, it's that they want me to agree with them that it's not weird.

And for those loving couples, Danno, who in a committed relationship but not married, what did Jesus example for you to say or do about it? The Gospel gives example after example of Jesus showing not to stand in judgment of others, but to show them love and acceptance. When he dined with the tax collectors and the prostitutes, do you think he was lecturing them at the dinner table about their lifestyles? In other words - the focus of a Christian life lived, should not be one of judgment, but one of love, charity, compassion, forgiveness. I think Jesus made that pretty clear.

[Marina-Del 10]

Please define "weird sex".

I'm in agreement with you...what is the definition of "weird sex"?? I'm sure you'd call a lot of things that I -uhhh...I mean- that a lot of straight couples do in bed weird too though.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

Please define "weird sex".

[Danno 1,228]

I guess "weird sex" is anything odd or unusual to that given part of the world.

[Danno 1,228]

And for those loving couples, Danno, who in a committed relationship but not married, what did Jesus example for you to say or do about it? The Gospel gives example after example of Jesus showing not to stand in judgment of others, but to show them love and acceptance. When he dined with the tax collectors and the prostitutes, do you think he was lecturing them at the dinner table about their lifestyles? In other words - the focus of a Christian life lived, should not be one of judgment, but one of love, charity, compassion, forgiveness. I think Jesus made that pretty clear.

I'm not sure if your representation is entirely accurate.

As best I can recall, Jesus told the -woman at the well- (and others) to "Go and sin no more".

This seemed to be a common message, of his.

I don't recall to many (actually any) instances where he suggested someone should continue on in any sin which was mentioned in the Account. You say there are many examples of this, refresh my memory.

Sure Jesus ate with (or hung out with) "sinners" and when he was asked about this he said something like..."It's the sick who need a doctor not the healthy.

I grew up with a more or less "social Jesus" concept, ... that He loved everybody and just wants us to do our best, but when I was 18 I started read the Bible to better defend this View of Christ against fundamentalist Christians I knew at the time.

Oddly enough I found the -Jesus of the Bible- have this "other side" too, a side which demanded repentance and it seemed this was the bulk of his ministry.

Hey, I don't claim to be a Bible expert, but the overall message is fairly simple on it's face.

How any honest person can read the "life of Christ" as presented in the New Testament and mistake his love and acceptance of people for indifference to sin, is amazing and I would think is only possible by strict "cherry picking" on what to read.

I do respect your view on this issue because I know yours is an honest one.

However, I will repeat, I don't believe "The church" can... anymore embrace homosexuality .....than it can adultery.

[Scott & Lai 12]

And for those loving couples, Danno, who in a committed relationship but not married, what did Jesus example for you to say or do about it? The Gospel gives example after example of Jesus showing not to stand in judgment of others, but to show them love and acceptance. When he dined with the tax collectors and the prostitutes, do you think he was lecturing them at the dinner table about their lifestyles? In other words - the focus of a Christian life lived, should not be one of judgment, but one of love, charity, compassion, forgiveness. I think Jesus made that pretty clear.

There is no sense speaking of forgiveness unless there is sin to be repented of and forgiven.