4 dead in NY Immigration Center shooting

[fozzie 41]

Since we are not going to agree on that can you tell me why the US has 5 times the homicide rate of other developed countries?

Common criminals, and I say common because thats the vast majority, cannot gain access to firearms in the UK very easily. Hand guns are banned. This difficulty is too much bother for the common criminal so they just stab each other instead. (Easier to distance yourself from killing someone when you pull a trigger from 5 feet away than if you have to stick a knife in someone - not aall weapons are equal). This is a huge factor in why homicide rates are lower in the UK than in the US.

[Heracles 417]

Since we are not going to agree on that can you tell me why the US has 5 times the homicide rate of other developed countries?

Common criminals, and I say common because thats the vast majority, cannot gain access to firearms in the UK very easily. Hand guns are banned. This difficulty is too much bother for the common criminal so they just stab each other instead. (Easier to distance yourself from killing someone when you pull a trigger from 5 feet away than if you have to stick a knife in someone - not aall weapons are equal). This is a huge factor in why homicide rates are lower in the UK than in the US.

Exactly. Due to a decade of tightening and restrictions on semi-auto and a total ban of full-auto, the murder rate is 54 fold lower than that of the US. Yet some here expect us to buy the BS that our rights are restricted by having such restrictions. Fact is gun restrictions work.

A single shoot gun kills one person at a time. A semi or fully auto can kill a large number of people in under a minute. With the option of reloading in about 5 seconds.

Edited April 4, 2009 by Constellation

[Teacher Mark 53]

I'm not really surprised by this.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...CNR2HAD97BLLMG0

English is extremely difficult for a Vietnamese person to learn, but this guy had 28 years to do it.

[JODO 2]

More senseless violence. I don't understand why these people feel the need to kill other people. They should just kill themselves and be done with it.

[antda 13]

Hi Everyone,

What a sad and tragic story, indeed....

I can't believe that so many people were killed because of this. And all they were just doing was innocently studying English and US Citizenship, in wanting to become part of this great American society....

Ant

P.S. By the way, this story has been all over the local and national news where I am here in NYS, as BINGHAMTON, N.Y is only a few hours (2-3) away from where I am...Scary....

[Heracles 417]

I just don't understand why he would have felt the need to do that. As mentioned earlier, he has been here for 28 years. There are obvious cultural differences between Vietnam which tends to be more of a community family based culture to the US's each to their own (individualism) culture.

Excluding the no-brainer of restricting guns I think this has to do with immigration itself. In Australia, were 1 in 4 Australians was born overseas, we treat all cultures equally and there is strong involvement by Federal and local governments (through programs) to assist immigrants and people of various ethnicities to feel welcome and apart of Australia. Including schools. Whereas here what is quite clear is that the only two cultures even recognized are Hispanics and African-Americans. Even then, African-Americans being those whose ancestors were brought here as slaves. For everyone else its almost of a case of welcome, now you are on your own.

What I don't like about the media or attitude here is it that they identified him as a Vietnamese. So are we basically always going to be viewed as foreigners in US of A. Like in this case where he has been living here for 28 years yet still a 'Vietnamese man'. Or similarly with the case of Cho who killed all of those uni students, the media referred to him as a Korean.

Edited April 4, 2009 by Constellation

[natty bumppo 297]

I just don't understand why he would have felt the need to do that. As mentioned earlier, he has been here for 28 years. There are obvious cultural differences between Vietnam which tends to be more of a community family based culture to the US's each to their own (individualism) culture.

Excluding the no-brainer of restricting guns I think this has to do with immigration itself. In Australia, were 1 in 4 Australians was born overseas, we treat all cultures equally and there is strong involvement by Federal and local governments (through programs) to assist immigrants and people of various ethnicities to feel welcome and apart of Australia. Including schools. Whereas here what is quite clear is that the only two cultures even recognized are Hispanics and African-Americans. Even then, African-Americans being those whose ancestors were brought here as slaves. For everyone else its almost of a case of welcome, now you are on your own.

What I don't like about the media or attitude here is it that they identified him as a Vietnamese. So are we basically always going to be viewed as foreigners in US of A. Like in this case where he has been living here for 28 years yet still a 'Vietnamese man'. Or similarly with the case of Cho who killed all of those uni students, the media referred to him as a Korean.

That is "political correctness" (PC) at work for you. This is his identity just like so many others with the term " _______ (name the group)-Americans.

Enjoy it ... Ausi-American.

[DeadPoolX 9]

I just don't understand why he would have felt the need to do that. As mentioned earlier, he has been here for 28 years. There are obvious cultural differences between Vietnam which tends to be more of a community family based culture to the US's each to their own (individualism) culture.

Excluding the no-brainer of restricting guns I think this has to do with immigration itself. In Australia, were 1 in 4 Australians was born overseas, we treat all cultures equally and there is strong involvement by Federal and local governments (through programs) to assist immigrants and people of various ethnicities to feel welcome and apart of Australia. Including schools. Whereas here what is quite clear is that the only two cultures even recognized are Hispanics and African-Americans. Even then, African-Americans being those whose ancestors were brought here as slaves. For everyone else its almost of a case of welcome, now you are on your own.

What I don't like about the media or attitude here is it that they identified him as a Vietnamese. So are we basically always going to be viewed as foreigners in US of A. Like in this case where he has been living here for 28 years yet still a 'Vietnamese man'. Or similarly with the case of Cho who killed all of those uni students, the media referred to him as a Korean.

That is "political correctness" (PC) at work for you. This is his identity just like so many others with the term " _______ (name the group)-Americans.

Enjoy it ... Ausi-American.

That's one thing I hate. You're either an American or you're not. I'm not a European Jewish American. I'm an American, plain and simple.

If someone immigrates from another country, I could see them being a hyphenated American. They have lots of ties to their home country and they were not born in the United States. But for those who were born here (especially those who've never set foot in a foreign nation) should be classified as American and only American.

This hyphenated American ####### has only served to splinter American society and make each group more exclusive. We're more like warring factions now than a single cohesive country, with every group vying for power. In the end, we won't have to worry about external threats like terrorism, because we'll do ourselves in first.

[Heracles 417]

That's one thing I hate. You're either an American or you're not. I'm not a European Jewish American. I'm an American, plain and simple.

If someone immigrates from another country, I could see them being a hyphenated American. They have lots of ties to their home country and they were not born in the United States. But for those who were born here (especially those who've never set foot in a foreign nation) should be classified as American and only American.

This hyphenated American ####### has only served to splinter American society and make each group more exclusive. We're more like warring factions now than a single cohesive country, with every group vying for power. In the end, we won't have to worry about external threats like terrorism, because we'll do ourselves in first.

I just find it offensive when the media and others do it. Almost like they are saying that second-class foreigner. How do we expect people to feel integrated when we treat them as foreigners, regardless of how long they have been here. Heck I know of liberals here who trash the dam country 24/7 absolutely hate the country yet are still classified as Americans. Actually that changed since Obama came in as now they love America again. You guys get my point thought. Once someone is a citizen, their belief in their country is what makes them a citizen. Not their race or place of birth.

People will never integrate if we think of them of XYZ. Once someone pledges an allegiance (becomes a citizen) they should be considered American, of xyz heritage. The heritage part should only be used with friends though.

It's funny when I hear Italians doing it. I asked one guy at work who has Italia this and that when the last time he was in Italy. He has never been. "Ah Okay your dad was born there right?" Nope. "Grand Dad?" Nope. "Great Grand dad?" Nope. His great great great granddad was born there. I was like "Fangulo, you're about as Italian as I am Chinese."

Edited April 4, 2009 by Constellation

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

That's one thing I hate. You're either an American or you're not. I'm not a European Jewish American. I'm an American, plain and simple.

If someone immigrates from another country, I could see them being a hyphenated American. They have lots of ties to their home country and they were not born in the United States. But for those who were born here (especially those who've never set foot in a foreign nation) should be classified as American and only American.

This hyphenated American ####### has only served to splinter American society and make each group more exclusive. We're more like warring factions now than a single cohesive country, with every group vying for power. In the end, we won't have to worry about external threats like terrorism, because we'll do ourselves in first.

I just find it offensive when the media and others do it. Almost like they are saying that second-class foreigner. How do we expect people to feel integrated when we treat them as foreigners, regardless of how long they have been here. Heck I know of liberals here who trash the dam country 24/7 absolutely hate the country yet are still classified as Americans. Actually that changed since Obama came in as now they love America again. You guys get my point thought. Once someone is a citizen, their belief in their country is what makes them a citizen. Not their race or place of birth.

People will never integrate if we think of them of XYZ. Once someone pledges an allegiance (becomes a citizen) they should be considered American, of xyz heritage. The heritage part should only be used with friends though.

It's funny when I hear Italians doing it. I asked one guy at work who has Italia this and that when the last time he was in Italy. He has never been. "Ah Okay your dad was born there right?" Nope. "Grand Dad?" Nope. "Great Grand dad?" Nope. His great great great granddad was born there. I was like "Fangulo, you're about as Italian as I am Chinese."

If I lived in Egypt for 28 years I think I would still be having trouble learning Arabic even though I'd make an honest attempt at it. People have different levels of capacity and learning abilities. Some are better at art while others are better at language and others are hard laborers. I also know that even after 28 years of living in Egypt they would still classify me as the foreigner, or the American and would never be seen as one of them no matter how much I adapted and integrated. You can't change the source of where you come from.

To others commenting about the references to others ethnicities it's not to split and divide it to honor and acknowledge the persons heritage and ethnicity. For some even if they were only born in America their roots may come from the mother land and their parents or grandparents may have been first generation immigrants themselves. I disagree that the problem is we only recognize two ethnicities in the USA. There is a lot of acknowledgment to the diversity in the USA. I can make the argument that the Media is well aware of the diversity amoung groups so much so that they created niche markets to pin point exactally a persons tastes and are able to market to them in the most clever and creative ways by having cookies tracking what you surfing or buying on the internet and advertising suggested items to that person tastes. The market has become so tailored to the individual that what you really see and what you really get is a mirror of yourself pretty much.

Edited April 4, 2009 by Far2Long

[Caladan 19]

I think it's more identification in these cases: what did the shooter look like, etc.

Poor people.

[Ban Hammer 13,491]

[natty bumppo 297]

That's one thing I hate. You're either an American or you're not. I'm not a European Jewish American. I'm an American, plain and simple.

If someone immigrates from another country, I could see them being a hyphenated American. They have lots of ties to their home country and they were not born in the United States. But for those who were born here (especially those who've never set foot in a foreign nation) should be classified as American and only American.

This hyphenated American ####### has only served to splinter American society and make each group more exclusive. We're more like warring factions now than a single cohesive country, with every group vying for power. In the end, we won't have to worry about external threats like terrorism, because we'll do ourselves in first.

I just find it offensive when the media and others do it. Almost like they are saying that second-class foreigner. How do we expect people to feel integrated when we treat them as foreigners, regardless of how long they have been here. Heck I know of liberals here who trash the dam country 24/7 absolutely hate the country yet are still classified as Americans. Actually that changed since Obama came in as now they love America again. You guys get my point thought. Once someone is a citizen, their belief in their country is what makes them a citizen. Not their race or place of birth.

People will never integrate if we think of them of XYZ. Once someone pledges an allegiance (becomes a citizen) they should be considered American, of xyz heritage. The heritage part should only be used with friends though.

It's funny when I hear Italians doing it. I asked one guy at work who has Italia this and that when the last time he was in Italy. He has never been. "Ah Okay your dad was born there right?" Nope. "Grand Dad?" Nope. "Great Grand dad?" Nope. His great great great granddad was born there. I was like "Fangulo, you're about as Italian as I am Chinese."

Um ... people call themselves "_______ -American" and are proud of it, regardless of how long their family has been on US soil.

Get out of the house ... get a life ... listen ... and learn. It's an educational experience.