4 dead in NY Immigration Center shooting

[Redneck-NOVA 1]

It's just a question of time before Australia starts hurting too. Europe has bigger governments than Australia and they are already in much deeper ####### than US is. Nothing good ever comes from the government, period. Seriously, if that's how you feel, just take your spouse and go to Australia! If life is so much better there you should just move back there. Guess what - I'm not really a redneck - I grew up in Russia, I speak 3 languages and have a masters degree in egineering and a professional job. But I do own and carry guns and I belive it's my civic duty to take respinsibilty for my safety and not rely on the government. Big government is a monster - the more you feed it the more it will grow and it will eventually enslave you. Trust me, I've seen the result in my home country

The big government failed there because they went down the wrong road of Communism rather than socialism. If you guys had become socialist from the start and allowed people to prosper (responsibly) you would be better than America. After all you had smarter and had better engineers. Dodgy but better. As I ways said, if Russia had a mandatory breathalyzer test before every shift and applied a bit of TQM you would be kicking ####. But you sealed the doors and isolated the people. Something which never works.

I own thee guns too. Hence, why I know how ridiculous it is that they are available so freely.

In terms of Australia just check out the standard of living vs the US. Nuff said.

Nope, socialism is simply against nature. Natural selection is the most efficent thing out there (gotta love nature and it's simple facts) and socialism goes right against it. Now, you just admitted that the living standards in Australia are worse than here - here you go with your socialism. Same in Europe. Point proven

[Heracles 417]

yes ... it's called context. something you are obviously ignoring since you are posting on the internet. guess you need to work more with your quill pen. And read the entire document you referenced along with the supporting papers.

John Wayne was alive in 1791?

Oh ... and what exactly were high powered firearms in 1791? ...

oops .... FAIL AGAIN

Did the fire power available today exist back in 1791? Yes or No.

[natty bumppo 297]

One thing that I have said many times before, I don't blame the guns. Something is going on in this society to cause person after person to shoot up and kill. These incidents are beyond the random and isolated point. As is the case with the 16,204 murdered each and every year compared to Australia's 302.

But

Until we figure out ####### is going on, all high powered guns need to be banned. Definitely banned from being carried outside your house.

so ... you blame the guns ... you are punishing them by wanting them banned.

[Heracles 417]

Nope, socialism is simply against nature. Natural selection is the most efficent thing out there (gotta love nature and it's simple facts) and socialism goes right against it. Now, you just admitted that the living standards in Australia are worse than here - here you go with your socialism. Same in Europe. Point proven

Your an engineer so go look up living standards and tell me how the US compares. i have posted it hundreds of times before so I cannot be bothered rolling someone again. Unlike during the day, I don't get paid to post at night. So not going to do it.

Which town / city / county of NoVA do you live in?

[Heracles 417]

so ... you blame the guns ... you are punishing them by wanting them banned.

I don't blame the guns but I know that you guys are sure as hell not going to fix the other problems that lead to people shooting up, again and again, in the US.

Therefore, you need to take the guns away.

What are you scared of anyway when it comes to having no guns?

Edited April 4, 2009 by Constellation

[natty bumppo 297]

yes ... it's called context. something you are obviously ignoring since you are posting on the internet. guess you need to work more with your quill pen. And read the entire document you referenced along with the supporting papers.

John Wayne was alive in 1791?

Oh ... and what exactly were high powered firearms in 1791? ...

oops .... FAIL AGAIN

Did the fire power available today exist back in 1791? Yes or No.

context ... know what it means? you did use the word.

It's called context. Trying to suggest the constitution written in 1791 meant to protect high powered guns is moronic. anyone who does not get that needs to go back to elementary school, possibly kinder, to learn what context means.

so ... I'm not going to repeat myself. I'll just wait for your non answer to "what were the high power firearms of 1791?"

Nope, socialism is simply against nature. Natural selection is the most efficent thing out there (gotta love nature and it's simple facts) and socialism goes right against it. Now, you just admitted that the living standards in Australia are worse than here - here you go with your socialism. Same in Europe. Point proven

Your an engineer so go look up living standards and tell me how the US compares. i have posted it hundreds of times before so I cannot be bothered rolling someone again. Unlike during the day, I don't get paid to post at night. So not going to do it.

Which town / city / county of NoVA do you live in?

You gonna go beat him up? What difference does it make?

[Redneck-NOVA 1]

One thing that I have said many times before, I don't blame the guns. Something is going on in this society to cause person after person to shoot up and kill. These incidents are beyond the random and isolated point. As is the case with the 16,204 murdered each and every year compared to Australia's 302.

But

Until we figure out ####### is going on, all high powered guns need to be banned. Definitely banned from being carried outside your house.

Ok, I give up - you are a moron.

Did the shooter have a concealed carry permit? No! So he was ALREADY BANNED from carrying a weapon outside of his house. Did it stop him? NO! Because when someone decides to commit a capital crime, he wouldn't care about silly things like gun laws, concealed carry prohibitions and parking signs. Gun laws only disarm law abiding, criminals don't obey the law by definition. Don't be retarded!

[Heracles 417]

context ... know what it means? you did use the word.

..

so ... I'm not going to repeat myself. I'll just wait for your non answer to "what were the high power firearms of 1791?"

I already did my part and posted a picture of a gun from back then as an example. Hardly looks like a ak-47 or an assault riffle. Also looks like a single shoot. My Sig, FNH and glock hold a good 16 rounds. Even more with the appropriate mods.

Or were such guns standard back then too?

[natty bumppo 297]

so ... you blame the guns ... you are punishing them by wanting them banned.

I don't blame the guns but I know that you guys are sure as hell not going to fix the other problems that lead to people shooting up, again and again, in the US.

Therefore, you need to take the guns away.

What are you scared of anyway when it comes to having no guns?

Not scared.

Just know our rights and don't wish to become a "subject" people like those who are subjects of the crown in other countries.

context ... know what it means? you did use the word.

..

so ... I'm not going to repeat myself. I'll just wait for your non answer to "what were the high power firearms of 1791?"

I already did my part and posted a picture of a gun from back then as an example. Hardly looks like a ak-47 or an assault riffle. Also looks like a single shoot. My Sig, FNH and glock hold a good 16 rounds. Even more with the appropriate mods.

Or were such guns standard back then too?

dude ... why are you typing on a keyboard? was it invented back then?

please use your quill and post your comments. after all ... it is about context.

[Heracles 417]

Ok, I give up - you are a moron.

Did the shooter have a concealed carry permit? No! So he was ALREADY BANNED from carrying a weapon outside of his house. Did it stop him? NO! Because when someone decides to commit a capital crime, he wouldn't care about silly things like gun laws, concealed carry prohibitions and parking signs. Gun laws only disarm law abiding, criminals don't obey the law by definition. Don't be retarded!

Likewise. What did you design in Russia Ladas?

You also just proved my point idiot. If we had a total gun ban or restriction he wouldn't have had a gun in the first place.

[natty bumppo 297]

Ok, I give up - you are a moron.

Did the shooter have a concealed carry permit? No! So he was ALREADY BANNED from carrying a weapon outside of his house. Did it stop him? NO! Because when someone decides to commit a capital crime, he wouldn't care about silly things like gun laws, concealed carry prohibitions and parking signs. Gun laws only disarm law abiding, criminals don't obey the law by definition. Don't be retarded!

Likewise. What did you design in Russia Ladas?

You also just proved my point idiot. If we had a total gun ban or restriction he wouldn't have had a gun in the first place.

uh huh ... a ban takes something totally out of a market?

[Heracles 417]

dude ... why are you typing on a keyboard? was it invented back then?

please use your quill and post your comments. after all ... it is about context.

Slavery was once acceptable so maybe we should have just continued.

While you are reading up on context have a read of progress. Also check out the year on a calender.

uh huh ... a ban takes something totally out of a market?

Ever heard of supply and demand.

Seems to work every else. Hence the low murder rate in the rest of the developed word. Next..

Edited April 4, 2009 by Constellation

[Redneck-NOVA 1]

Nope, socialism is simply against nature. Natural selection is the most efficent thing out there (gotta love nature and it's simple facts) and socialism goes right against it. Now, you just admitted that the living standards in Australia are worse than here - here you go with your socialism. Same in Europe. Point proven

Your an engineer so go look up living standards and tell me how the US compares. i have posted it hundreds of times before so I cannot be bothered rolling someone again. Unlike during the day, I don't get paid to post at night. So not going to do it.

Which town / city / county of NoVA do you live in?

I frankly couldn't care less whether living standards are higher or lower there by your definition. Either way,you lose. If they are higher there according to you, then see my point about going back. If they are lower, see my point about failure of socialism.

Where I live is none of your business, but even if I'm next door don't count on me to protect you - when some thug breaks your door at night we'll see how does your "no guns" motto works out for you.

[Heracles 417]

I frankly couldn't care less whether living standards are higher or lower there by your definition. Either way,you lose. If they are higher there according to you, then see my point about going back. If they are lower, see my point about failure of socialism.

Where I live is none of your business, but even if I'm next door don't count on me to protect you - when some thug breaks your door at night we'll see how does your "no guns" motto works out for you.

sorry Comrad, the go back remark is used by clowns who have nothing to say. I have more of a right to be here than you considering you are Russian. Australia and America are closer than you are to your own mother.

PS So you live in the ghetto then.

Edited April 4, 2009 by Constellation

[natty bumppo 297]

dude ... why are you typing on a keyboard? was it invented back then?

please use your quill and post your comments. after all ... it is about context.

Slavery was once acceptable so maybe we should have just continued.

While you are reading up on context have a read of progress. Also check out the year on a calender.

uh huh ... a ban takes something totally out of a market?

Ever heard of supply and demand.

Seems to work every else. Hence the low murder rate in the rest of the developed word. Next..

nice try with slavery. do try to stay at least close to the topic. ... kay?

I know the year and the laws ... your point is?

supply and demand? so which is it? are you supply side or demand side? or do you play both ways?