Arming the Drug Wars

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

To add: While not required by law in all jurisdictions, a responsible gun owner should just for his own piece of mind, and release of liability, make the transfer through his local law enforcement agency, for the very minimum of making sure that tranfer is recorded somewhere.

Wait...Natty are you listening?

your point? ... FAIL

Through a local LEO? They carry 4473's? Contact NCIS? Determine original legal ownership? Record and maintain records of transactions?

I wasn't quick enough to add "or licensed gun dealer". I have not been to a gun show in thirty years, but the local police were recording serial numbers of all firearms and who brought them, at the last one I sold some guns at.

Edited April 3, 2009 by Mister_Bill

[natty bumppo 297]

Natty, you're being deliberately ignorant or incredibly naive. If criminals in the U.S. manage to get their hands on guns, then why don't you think that guns can be smuggled into Mexico? For someone who is always touting that criminals will always find ways of getting guns, you sure are being stubborn in recognizing that guns can and do get smuggled into Mexico from the states.

I asked direct questions ... please respond with answers to those questions.

Sorry...I don't speak gun geek. My argument above is made from pure logic.

Your answer is pure BS!

Gun speak? What google doesn't work on your PC?

The term you used ""gun geek" is in reference to government forms/ terms /procedures?

Nice try at an answer. Please try again.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Natty, you're being deliberately ignorant or incredibly naive. If criminals in the U.S. manage to get their hands on guns, then why don't you think that guns can be smuggled into Mexico? For someone who is always touting that criminals will always find ways of getting guns, you sure are being stubborn in recognizing that guns can and do get smuggled into Mexico from the states.

I asked direct questions ... please respond with answers to those questions.

Sorry...I don't speak gun geek. My argument above is made from pure logic.

Your answer is pure BS!

Gun speak? What google doesn't work on your PC?

The term you used ""gun geek" is in reference to government forms/ terms /procedures?

Nice try at an answer. Please try again.

Nice dodge, sparky. Talking over the other person isn't an argument. It's your game of - 'I know more about guns than you so don't even try to argue with me schtick.' I presented a clear and logical argument. If that's your best answer, than it shows the obvious holes in your disbelief that guns are being smuggled from the U.S. into Mexico.

Think about it. If gun crime in the U.S. can be traced, then how are they able to obtain guns? You're not being logical at all.

[natty bumppo 297]

Natty, you're being deliberately ignorant or incredibly naive. If criminals in the U.S. manage to get their hands on guns, then why don't you think that guns can be smuggled into Mexico? For someone who is always touting that criminals will always find ways of getting guns, you sure are being stubborn in recognizing that guns can and do get smuggled into Mexico from the states.

I asked direct questions ... please respond with answers to those questions.

Sorry...I don't speak gun geek. My argument above is made from pure logic.

Your answer is pure BS!

Gun speak? What google doesn't work on your PC?

The term you used ""gun geek" is in reference to government forms/ terms /procedures?

Nice try at an answer. Please try again.

Nice dodge, sparky. Talking over the other person isn't an argument. It's your game of - 'I know more about guns than you so don't even try to argue with me schtick.' I presented a clear and logical argument. If that's your best answer, than it shows the obvious holes in your disbelief that guns are being smuggled from the U.S. into Mexico.

Think about it. If gun crime in the U.S. can be traced, then how are they able to obtain guns? You're not being logical at all.

You called a comment to my attention ...supporting it ... so now support it. That's not hard to do is it?

In case you need a reminder ...

[natty bumppo 297]

To add: While not required by law in all jurisdictions, a responsible gun owner should just for his own piece of mind, and release of liability, make the transfer through his local law enforcement agency, for the very minimum of making sure that tranfer is recorded somewhere.

Wait...Natty are you listening?

your point? ... FAIL

Through a local LEO? They carry 4473's? Contact NCIS? Determine original legal ownership? Record and maintain records of transactions?

I wasn't quick enough to add "or licensed gun dealer". I have not been to a gun show in thirty years, but the local police were recording serial numbers of all firearms and who brought them, at the last one I sold some guns at.

30 years ago? a lot has changed in 30 years. are you sure you were knowledgeable of local/state/federal laws for shows in your area 30 years ago? or today?

check local laws ... are you sure the police had a legal right to record transactions 30 years ago? either private or through a dealer? Or were the police simply gathering data from people for the purpose of "tracking". Now ... where is a copy of the transactions kept? is it secured? can anyone at the dept access the info? will a FOI request release the names (owners) and firearms to joe public?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

To add: While not required by law in all jurisdictions, a responsible gun owner should just for his own piece of mind, and release of liability, make the transfer through his local law enforcement agency, for the very minimum of making sure that tranfer is recorded somewhere.

Wait...Natty are you listening?

your point? ... FAIL

Through a local LEO? They carry 4473's? Contact NCIS? Determine original legal ownership? Record and maintain records of transactions?

I wasn't quick enough to add "or licensed gun dealer". I have not been to a gun show in thirty years, but the local police were recording serial numbers of all firearms and who brought them, at the last one I sold some guns at.

30 years ago? a lot has changed in 30 years. are you sure you were knowledgeable of local/state/federal laws for shows in your area 30 years ago? or today?

check local laws ... are you sure the police had a legal right to record transactions 30 years ago? either private or through a dealer? Or were the police simply gathering data from people for the purpose of "tracking". Now ... where is a copy of the transactions kept? is it secured? can anyone at the dept access the info? will a FOI request release the names (owners) and firearms to joe public?

Don't know, and I will admit that. I was just doing some checking in a few jurisdictions, for instance, PA: Even if you take the firearm to the county sheriff as an option, the best they will do is act as if they are the selling party on your behalf, and make the transfer through a licensed federal firearms dealer. If you don't make the tranfer legally, you face consequences.

As far as thirty years ago? In Califonia there was no requirements for private party tranfers. The police were gathering that information for whatever purposes they had in mind, as a condition of permitting that show to be at that venue.

You may be showing some excessive paranoia there. I come from the days of when stored information was always available, if you knew where to look for it, and you had a need to know. Of course, Al Gore had not invented the internet yet!

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amazing how they can make their problem our fought .... it America's fought .... ya gotta be lovin it Steven.

[natty bumppo 297]

To add: While not required by law in all jurisdictions, a responsible gun owner should just for his own piece of mind, and release of liability, make the transfer through his local law enforcement agency, for the very minimum of making sure that tranfer is recorded somewhere.

Wait...Natty are you listening?

your point? ... FAIL

Through a local LEO? They carry 4473's? Contact NCIS? Determine original legal ownership? Record and maintain records of transactions?

I wasn't quick enough to add "or licensed gun dealer". I have not been to a gun show in thirty years, but the local police were recording serial numbers of all firearms and who brought them, at the last one I sold some guns at.

30 years ago? a lot has changed in 30 years. are you sure you were knowledgeable of local/state/federal laws for shows in your area 30 years ago? or today?

check local laws ... are you sure the police had a legal right to record transactions 30 years ago? either private or through a dealer? Or were the police simply gathering data from people for the purpose of "tracking". Now ... where is a copy of the transactions kept? is it secured? can anyone at the dept access the info? will a FOI request release the names (owners) and firearms to joe public?

Don't know, and I will admit that. I was just doing some checking in a few jurisdictions, for instance, PA: Even if you take the firearm to the county sheriff as an option, the best they will do is act as if they are the selling party on your behalf, and make the transfer through a licensed federal firearms dealer. If you don't make the tranfer legally, you face consequences.

As far as thirty years ago? In Califonia there was no requirements for private party tranfers. The police were gathering that information for whatever purposes they had in mind, as a condition of permitting that show to be at that venue.

You may be showing some excessive paranoia there. I come from the days of when stored information was always available, if you knew where to look for it, and you had a need to know. Of course, Al Gore had not invented the internet yet!

Just passing along that LEOs need to operate within the law. That at time "feel good" or "what can it hurt" goes beyond their legal envelope. Sorta like the "innocent car search" at a traffic stop.

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

so now are all those opposed to the border fence for it, as it will help keep gun runs to the south within our borders?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

so now are all those opposed to the border fence for it, as it will help keep gun runs to the south within our borders?

Got to protect our brothers to the south from the evils of Constitutional rights!