Video of girl's flogging as Taliban hand out justice

[*Robert* 2]

The reality of flogging - or is the flogging ok, just the crime that is wrong?

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When I see this kind of thing I think this is God's Law. The vengeful God of the old testament being put into practice. As a modernized western woman I find this difficult to watch. Was the married man her cousin? I read the article but it didn't mention. It just mentioned that her brother was one of those holding her legs down and that this was seen as giving him honor because it was for God.

Then you think maybe your God needs to update a few of his laws?

[Peikko 1,575]

Do you not believe in being humane? In what circumstances can humanity be dispensed with? How could someone shirking their duty perform the punishment? I do not understand the logic. What feminist dogma have you read that states "men and women are nearly the same"? How are women "mentally different" to men? How do these differences affect the roles that men and women can perform?

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

The reality of flogging - or is the flogging ok, just the crime that is wrong?

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When I see this kind of thing I think this is God's Law. The vengeful God of the old testament being put into practice. As a modernized western woman I find this difficult to watch. Was the married man her cousin? I read the article but it didn't mention. It just mentioned that her brother was one of those holding her legs down and that this was seen as giving him honor because it was for God.

Then you think maybe your God needs to update a few of his laws?

Who said it was mah gawd? Yes I do think the old testament god is outdated for today clearly.

[Danno 1,228]

Do you not believe in being humane? In what circumstances can humanity be dispensed with? How could someone shirking their duty perform the punishment? I do not understand the logic. What feminist dogma have you read that states "men and women are nearly the same"? How are women "mentally different" to men? How do these differences affect the roles that men and women can perform?

Of course I believe in being humane just as I believe in being many things but there is a time and place for such things.

To me there are certain classes of offense which might call for more than just locking up someone.

They have willfully caused the suffering of others and justice demands they taste a little in return.

Women can perform many of the same rolls men can, some even better I would imagine.

But I think it is clear woman are most often, more delicate in spirit and body.

[Der Bücherwurm 1]

Women can perform many of the same rolls men can, some even better I would imagine.

But I think it is clear woman are most often, more delicate in spirit and body.

You've obviously never been to northern Europe, particularly Scandinavia. Have you ever even traveled outside of the states? There is a big world with many different cultures outside of the southern US and many of those cultures are far more modern and progressive than that of the US.

[I'm Gone 60]

Need to start doing that in schools. F**k that timeout chair BS.

[Scott & Lai 12]

Canning of course could be an option, but you risk the chance that the person performing the canning would get their rocks off.

I'm assuming that would be a capital punishment, unless the can has air holes...

[MsMariah 0]

Honestly I avoided this thread because I thought I was going to have to see something I didn't want to, but thankfully I don't have to watch the link. I know firsthand how beatings are violent and I don't like being reminded.

Honestly, I just think that before we remove the injustice around the world we have to focus on removing the injustice within ourselves and then our society. It wasn't so long ago that someone posted a video of a girl getting beaten by a man sworn into duty by our "jurisprudence" system. Not very many people had a heart for her and she would have been clueless that something so violent could befall her from a rather commonplace teenage crime of taking a parents vehicle. Plus, we know even less about the "crime" commited by this woman across the world, she must have had a pretty good idea of what could happen because of her actions. I would never say she deserved what she got, but seriously, worse things are happening to honest taxpaying people here by the very systems we have allowed to be put in place and called 'justice'. And how can you focus all your attention on the Taliban, when there are men and even women all over the US that act worse than the Taliban to their own spouses and/or children. Does it make you feel better about the injustice here if you think that injustice there is more brutal and insensible?

Also, anyone who can't see that there are plain differences between men and women not just physically but mentally and emotionally, is blind or lying to themselves. However I wouldn't say women are necessarily fragile. Women are strong, smart, and capable, just differently than men. I like to say, men and women are equal but DIFFERENT.

Scientifically it's proven that when solving problems men use more of the grey matter of their brain, whilst women use the white matter more. I don't think we can fight the obvious that men develop muscles and bones differently than women. And I'm sure that there are some jobs more suited for men, and others more suited for women. Sure, we are humans and able to compensate rather well so good luck for all you gender squelching pioneers. I just wonder why we can't understand, and embrace the differences.

[Marilyn. 340]

not sure if this has been brought up yet but my question is did the guy they suspect her having an affair with with get flogged too??

Edited April 3, 2009 by *Marilyn*

[NickD 202]

In general, most religions downgrade women either to one extend or the other. This never really hit home to me until my first born was a girl. I was raised with the spare the rod, spoil the child mentality, was cruel by getting the ####### literally pounded out of me both at home and school. Holding my new born for the first time, my own flesh and blood, how could I ever beat the hell out of her. And violence begets violence, I never even so much as slapped my kids.

I was taught how to mame and kill by our US government, simple concept, kill or be killed, was rather good at it, but did take getting use to that concept. With age, exactly with all the wars we had, just one after the other, exactly what was accomplished? Same answer each time, nothing, but terrible leadership and all with guys that do not have to go into battle, but sit behind nice big desks with someone bring them coffee, all BS. With the internet, met many very good people, all hard working like we are, but consieder enemies of the state at one time or another. What really sucks is the leadership and they do not get what they deserve for the crimes against humanity they caused.

War is massive destruction that when over, cost a huge fortune to bring things back to the way they were before the war started. Nothing gained, but close friends and relatives are no longer around or spend years in a sick VA hospital, that is a shock, visit yours.

Recall seeing a TV commercial when I was a kid where one out of ten people has a mental illness, said wow, that many! But by studying and observing people feel it's more like 70%. Lithium is a good cure, we should bomb the middle east with lithium.

[justashooter 430]

Honestly I avoided this thread because I thought I was going to have to see something I didn't want to, but thankfully I don't have to watch the link. I know firsthand how beatings are violent and I don't like being reminded.

Honestly, I just think that before we remove the injustice around the world we have to focus on removing the injustice within ourselves and then our society. It wasn't so long ago that someone posted a video of a girl getting beaten by a man sworn into duty by our "jurisprudence" system. Not very many people had a heart for her and she would have been clueless that something so violent could befall her from a rather commonplace teenage crime of taking a parents vehicle.

the video you mention recorded an unprovoked attack by a single man who lost his temper and acted impulsively. not having watched the vid in this thread, buthaving read the comments, i assume that this beating was premeditated and involved a conspired ritual. there is a big difference between the two.

impulsive acts of rage are not to be tolerated, in any schema. that being said, persons who engage in an assault by conspired ritual definitely would not fit in with the prevailing mindset in the United States. oh how wonderful that our borders are open to such types, and that we are beginning to enjoy the diversity.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Why would anyone "want" to dole out corporal punishment?

It sounds rather sadistic to want to do it.

Your post was self-answering Pike--like Nazi SS, sadism is mandatory for Taliban membership.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Women can perform many of the same rolls men can, some even better I would imagine.

But I think it is clear woman are most often, more delicate in spirit and body.

You've obviously never been to northern Europe, particularly Scandinavia. Have you ever even traveled outside of the states? There is a big world with many different cultures outside of the southern US and many of those cultures are far more modern and progressive than that of the US.

What? How irritating was this just a segue so you could tell us how you feel about the good old USA. Considering why were in this forum to begin with I can almost assume everybody here has been outside the USA but that doesnt change what she was saying, woman and men are different for the most part and that is a good thing.

[sara..... 371]

i watched this clip a couple of things went thru my head while watching it......being its the talaban if they really believed she has an out of wedlock affair she would have been killed not spanked......this public spanking was more for embarrassment and to warn others about what would be the least punishment that could happen to them if they dont follow the talaban rule......alot of the screaming was drama im sure it stung and im sure she didnt like it and if i ever had a child i would not allow the child to be subjected to public humiliation.

this is NOT what islam teaches! this is NOT ok.

that being said i lived in pakistan for four years........any person that i know there would not agree with that type of public spanking of a women. That being said i will say that i have seen men be beaten in the market or street for daring to try to talk to a girl or teasing a girl.

the talaban has their own rules, they interrupt islam a lot different than most muslims i know.........if i was there and it was one of my sisters and i was told accept this punishment for her or death u can bet i will say spank her but that does not mean i agree with it.

what i would like to know is what more punishment did she receive from her family for publicly embarrassing them and making them catch the talabans eye? i would guess that it would be way more sever than what was administered in public. i would guess that clip was only the beginning of the punishment she received

[Bobby+Umit 161]

They feel it's there right under their religious laws, so who are we to say different?

"She came out of her house with another guy who was not her husband, so we must punish her. There are boundaries you cannot cross," he said. He defended the Taliban's right to thrash women shoppers who were inappropriately dressed, saying it was permitted under Islamic law."

We can certainly condemn such actions - as they are totally incompatible with our world view of how justice is supposed to be prosecuted and meted out.

Dragging someone out of a house and executing a summary punishment goes against about a 1000 years of jurisprudence.

You can most certainly condemn the actions, but if the people in that area allow themselves to be govern by them, and allow others to "enforce" them, then those people should end it.

But religious laws or interpretations of them, trump common sense sometimes.

Imagine if people who follow the bible took notice of these passages:

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

Now don't get me wrong, I am not defending what religious people do - far from it. People need to wake up and find strength in themselves, not in writings in ancient books.