Man decapitates 5-year-old sister in front of officer

[Heracles 417]

There's no proof whatsoever that the media acts like some sort of contagious disease - and that watching a movie with a rape scene will spontaneously inspire an ordinary person to act out what they've seen.

But this is a red herring - as there is no indication whatsoever why the guy did what he did, or what the psychology behind it was. As usual people use these stories to push their own agenda and scapegoat the perennial favourites of violent videogames, movies and porn.

Ah okay. So because no one had conducted a study on this (for obvious logistical reasons), then it must not be true. Gezz couldn't see the one coming from you mate.

You need to pick up a science, engineering, medical journal as you may learn something about the term empirical.

I really like your stance on guns being bad and should be banned and all that but when it comes to exposure to violence, it apparently has a negligible effect on people, let alone kids. None whatsoever.

Let me guess, "your not saying that and I'm an idiot. Or was it moron?".

Edited April 1, 2009 by Constellation

[sara..... 371]

There's no proof whatsoever that the media acts like some sort of contagious disease - and that watching a movie with a rape scene will spontaneously inspire an ordinary person to act out what they've seen.

But this is a red herring - as there is no indication whatsoever why the guy did what he did, or what the psychology behind it was. As usual people use these stories to push their own agenda and scapegoat the perennial favourites of violent videogames, movies and porn.

we dont watch any kind of movie with sexual content in our home but it is not because we are afraid it will make any of us want to go out and try it, as for videos that are violent.........my brother and i play some of the most violent video games there are but it dont make us want to go out and kill someone its just a game..........but i do agree that some people that are headed towards loony tunes might get effected by it..........but they would have committed the crime anyway at some point in life i do not agree with the idea that movies or video games contribute to the insanity of people that carry out these kinds of crimes...........

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There's no proof whatsoever that the media acts like some sort of contagious disease - and that watching a movie with a rape scene will spontaneously inspire an ordinary person to act out what they've seen.

But this is a red herring - as there is no indication whatsoever why the guy did what he did, or what the psychology behind it was. As usual people use these stories to push their own agenda and scapegoat the perennial favourites of violent videogames, movies and porn.

Ah okay. So because no one had conducted a study on this (for obvious logistical reasons), then it must not be true. Gezz couldn't see the one coming from you mate.

You need to pick up a science, engineering, medical journal as you may learn something about the term empirical.

If someone is making specific claims as to the effect of certain material on society, there should be substantial clinical evidence to support it. There isn't any...

Blaming the media for society's ills is not a new argument - its been going since the 1950s (at least) except there the alleged culprits were rock music and comic books (with about as much evidence to support it).

I really like your stance on guns being bad and should be banned and all that but when it comes to exposure to violence, it apparently has a negligible effect on people, let alone kids. None whatsoever.

Let me guess, "your not saying that and I'm an idiot. Or was it moron?".

No need for me to say anything (other than that you're right on both counts)

Edited April 1, 2009 by Private Pike

[Heracles 417]

we dont watch any kind of movie with sexual content in our home but it is not because we are afraid it will make any of us want to go out and try it, as for videos that are violent.........my brother and i play some of the most violent video games there are but it dont make us want to go out and kill someone its just a game..........but i do agree that some people that are headed towards loony tunes might get effected by it..........but they would have committed the crime anyway at some point in life i do not agree with the idea that movies or video games contribute to the insanity of people that carry out these kinds of crimes...........

The point is well noted. This reasoning can also be applied to assault riffles and other high powered weapons. Most people are responsible owners and don't go around mauling down people. But for the sake of society they should be restricted.

For example, a lot of the ####### that is permitted here is banned in Australia. They have even started restricting ####### on the net from entering the country. Result: Per capital, the US has 5 times the homicide rate of Australia. Violence begets violence. If it applies to guns it sure as hell applies to watching violent media.

No need for me to say anything (other than that you're right on both counts)

Anyone who knows you would call this a stock standard Sixish watch resetting moment.

Edited April 1, 2009 by Constellation

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Except.... you'd be hard pressed to find a Hollywood movie or a videogame that you can't buy in all territories.

The last bit of censorship bollocks I heard about from Australia was the Australian censors refusal to pass Fallout 3, without real world drug references being removed.

[Heracles 417]

Except.... you'd be hard pressed to find a Hollywood movie or a videogame that you can't buy in all territories.

The last bit of censorship bollocks I heard about from Australia was the Australian censors refusal to pass Fallout 3, without real world drug references being removed.

Six, relax. The UK is just a strict as AUS. I know for a fact that half the ###### that is accessible here is not accessible in the UK.

So to sit here and play the old "I don't know what you mean guuveeena" angle is disingenuous. Then again you are the guy who says he has never seen a low-rider in Jersey of all paces. Clearly your experiences are quite different to that of my own, even when considering that of your own mother country.

Edited April 1, 2009 by Constellation

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

we dont watch any kind of movie with sexual content in our home but it is not because we are afraid it will make any of us want to go out and try it, as for videos that are violent.........my brother and i play some of the most violent video games there are but it dont make us want to go out and kill someone its just a game..........but i do agree that some people that are headed towards loony tunes might get effected by it..........but they would have committed the crime anyway at some point in life i do not agree with the idea that movies or video games contribute to the insanity of people that carry out these kinds of crimes...........

The point is well noted. This reasoning can also be applied to assault riffles and other high powered weapons. Most people are responsible owners and don't go around mauling down people. But for the sake of society they should be restricted.

For example, a lot of the ####### that is permitted here is banned in Australia. They have even started restricting ####### on the net from entering the country. Result: Per capital, the US has 5 times the homicide rate of Australia. Violence begets violence. If it applies to guns it sure as hell applies to watching violent media.

No need for me to say anything (other than that you're right on both counts)

Anyone who knows you would call this a stock standard Sixish watch resetting moment.

What do you want me to say BY - you answered your own question really. I did not say what you suggested I did, nor do I hold that opinion. So there's little reason for me to defend it.

You're just wrong - and why you can find any metaphor for my responding to this ####### (watch-setting I guess is the new one), its utterly meaningless.

Indeed - you're about as predictable a poster as its possible to get.

I'm just surprised you haven't gone off on a big rant about how unfairly treated you are, and how "right wing" views are unwelcome.

It wasn't true the first 99 times you said it, and it isn't true now.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Except.... you'd be hard pressed to find a Hollywood movie or a videogame that you can't buy in all territories.

The last bit of censorship bollocks I heard about from Australia was the Australian censors refusal to pass Fallout 3, without real world drug references being removed.

Six, relax. The UK is just a strict as AUS. I know for a fact that half the ###### that is accessible here is not accessible in the UK.

Any videogame you can buy in the US, you can buy in the UK or Australia.

Any hollywood movie you can see in the US, you can see in the UK or Australia (if anything - there are foreign movies that don't get shown in the US, not because of censorship but because they can't find distributors. Slumdog Millionaire was almost one of those).

The only difference between the US and UK/Australia is the availability of pornography.

[Ladylethal 12]

I don't think violent movies or games trigger certain behaviour, I mean, I'm not sure it's any worse than anything else, if the person already has a mental deficiency then anything can provoke violent behaviour. Before we had so many violence on TV and games, we already had several of such cases, probably way more than we've heard about as not everything was reported by the media and news from small towns didn't necessarily reach the media at all. It's a sad thing but violence is part of us humans and an ill mind can turn violent over anything. Upbringing might influence it, but is not the sole cause.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think violent movies or games trigger certain behaviour, I mean, I'm not sure it's any worse than anything else, if the person already has a mental deficiency then anything can provoke violent behaviour. Before we had so many violence on TV and games, we already had several of such cases, probably way more than we've heard about as not everything was reported by the media and news from small towns didn't necessarily reach the media at all. It's a sad thing but violence is part of us humans and an ill mind can turn violent over anything. Upbringing might influence it, but is not the sole cause.

The media coverage of the infamous case in Britain of the 2 kids who murdered the toddler - eschewed the upbringing of the perpetrators (who were both variously from broken homes, and/or subjected to violent abuse by parents) in favor of the idea that certain movies they saw inspired them to act it out.

Totally ridiculous of course - but blaming violence in the media for real world violence is one of those perennial bread and butter news stories; not unlike "Exam pass rates up this year, are they getting any easier?".

[DeadPoolX 9]

What I don't get is... how did he decapitate her with a kitchen knife? I'm sure he could've slit her throat, but remove the entire head? I have to assume that slicing through the spinal column would require a heftier weapon.

[Amby 490]

well i thought this story was an april fools joke or something because its so insane and bizarre. that's why i asked for the link when i didn't see it. obviously it would be something really wrong to joke about but seriously

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What I don't get is... how did he decapitate her with a kitchen knife? I'm sure he could've slit her throat, but remove the entire head? I have to assume that slicing through the spinal column would require a heftier weapon.

Probably not unlike how its easier to cut down a sapling than it is to cut down a 200 year old oak.

[Ladylethal 12]

I don't think violent movies or games trigger certain behaviour, I mean, I'm not sure it's any worse than anything else, if the person already has a mental deficiency then anything can provoke violent behaviour. Before we had so many violence on TV and games, we already had several of such cases, probably way more than we've heard about as not everything was reported by the media and news from small towns didn't necessarily reach the media at all. It's a sad thing but violence is part of us humans and an ill mind can turn violent over anything. Upbringing might influence it, but is not the sole cause.

The media coverage of the infamous case in Britain of the 2 kids who murdered the toddler - eschewed the upbringing of the perpetrators (who were both variously from broken homes, and/or subjected to violent abuse by parents) in favor of the idea that certain movies they saw inspired them to act it out.

Totally ridiculous of course - but blaming violence in the media for real world violence is one of those perennial bread and butter news stories; not unlike "Exam pass rates up this year, are they getting any easier?".

Exactly. I remember they used to blame D&D, the paper and dice version of it, for certain crimes back home in Brasil. I used to think, but when we play this, it's a group of kids who chose to stay home and be creative instead of trashing around town drinking, causing trouble, doing drugs, etc. I've always though D&D was such a healthy past time, at least for me it was, and my mother agreed, except for our sleepless nights when the campaign was at it's climax and we couldn't stop.

[Amby 490]

What I don't get is... how did he decapitate her with a kitchen knife? I'm sure he could've slit her throat, but remove the entire head? I have to assume that slicing through the spinal column would require a heftier weapon.

Probably not unlike how its easier to cut down a sapling than it is to cut down a 200 year old oak.

If it was a very sharp knife it could have been done very easily. I know a finger is different than a neck, but I've cut a finger off without even noticing at first. Also he could have got "lucky" and hit in between vertebrae.

Edited April 1, 2009 by Amby