Sweden unveils 'ambitious' clean energy strategy

[Heracles 417]

This is why I always went to the tennis when Swedes played.

[fozzie 41]

This is why I always went to the tennis when Swedes played.

I'm moving to sweden!

[Heracles 417]

[GaryC 7]

Luz's house in PI had both 110 and 220 in it. All it needs is a transformer to change the voltage. The real problem with that is you might plug in to the wrong socket and fry your device. Luz did that several times. Some things, like computers and battery chargers, already can handle either voltage. It isn't that hard to put a PS like that in anything.

Yeah, what I think we need to do is have a national switchover, much like digital TV. So set a future date for upping the voltage. From now start manufacturing appliances that are dual 110/220 or 240 volts. 240 volts being future proof. Then after five years (or something like that), have a complete switchover. Anyone with older appliances can get some sort of transformer. It's a huge project but well worth the investment. You basically get 2400W out of a standard outlet in AUS. Using less amps too which is much safer. All new homes would have a new plug and wiring which would be able to handle the higher voltage.

Brownouts let alone the lights dimming are very rare in AUS. I can run every appliance at once in the house and I won't see a light dim.

I can only imagine the hundreds of thousands of jobs such a crucial project would create. It would be the largest national project since post WWII.

I need to correct you on something. It does not matter what the voltage is as far as efficiency. When you double the voltage you half the current but the total watts used remains the same.

[fozzie 41]

Luz's house in PI had both 110 and 220 in it. All it needs is a transformer to change the voltage. The real problem with that is you might plug in to the wrong socket and fry your device. Luz did that several times. Some things, like computers and battery chargers, already can handle either voltage. It isn't that hard to put a PS like that in anything.

Yeah, what I think we need to do is have a national switchover, much like digital TV. So set a future date for upping the voltage. From now start manufacturing appliances that are dual 110/220 or 240 volts. 240 volts being future proof. Then after five years (or something like that), have a complete switchover. Anyone with older appliances can get some sort of transformer. It's a huge project but well worth the investment. You basically get 2400W out of a standard outlet in AUS. Using less amps too which is much safer. All new homes would have a new plug and wiring which would be able to handle the higher voltage.

Brownouts let alone the lights dimming are very rare in AUS. I can run every appliance at once in the house and I won't see a light dim.

I can only imagine the hundreds of thousands of jobs such a crucial project would create. It would be the largest national project since post WWII.

I need to correct you on something. It does not matter what the voltage is as far as efficiency. When you double the voltage you half the current but the total watts used remains the same.

Who cares, this thread has moved on to bigger and better things. See previous 3 posts.

[Heracles 417]

Fellas, I found the site of sites.

http://theinfidel.typepad.com/weblog/2006/07/index.html

WorldCup Hotties (from 31 countries)...

[fozzie 41]

Fellas, I found the site of sites.

http://theinfidel.typepad.com/weblog/2006/07/index.html

WorldCup Hotties (from 31 countries)...

Argentina and Brasil have my vote

[Heracles 417]

I need to correct you on something. It does not matter what the voltage is as far as efficiency. When you double the voltage you half the current but the total watts used remains the same.

The maximum you can draw from a standard outlet here is 1800W right.

In Aus you can draw 2400W 240V 10amp from a standard socket. And even more for electric oven circuits (4800W with 20amps). Then you also have three phase available to businesses at 480V. Of course the houses have the appropriate gauge wiring and socket to handle the 240V. China uses similar sockets to AUS.

In terms of efficiency I meant with regards to using power. If you look at a PC power supply and check out the ratings, they run much more efficiently at a higher voltage. Meaning it takes less power to deliver the same wattage they're rated at.

Fellas, I found the site of sites.

http://theinfidel.typepad.com/weblog/2006/07/index.html

WorldCup Hotties (from 31 countries)...

Argentina and Brasil have my vote

Ironically my motto in my single days was any hole is a goal.

[Ban Hammer 13,746]

This is why I always went to the tennis when Swedes played.

let's get the right pic in here

[fozzie 41]

This is why I always went to the tennis when Swedes played.

let's get the right pic in here

I have to laugh. Not sure I should, but....

I need to correct you on something. It does not matter what the voltage is as far as efficiency. When you double the voltage you half the current but the total watts used remains the same.

The maximum you can draw from a standard outlet here is 1800W right.

In Aus you can draw 2400W 240V 10amp from a standard socket. And even more for electric oven circuits (4800W with 20amps). Then you also have three phase available to businesses at 480V. Of course the houses have the appropriate gauge wiring and socket to handle the 240V. China uses similar sockets to AUS.

In terms of efficiency I meant with regards to using power. If you look at a PC power supply and check out the ratings, they run much more efficiently at a higher voltage. Meaning it takes less power to deliver the same wattage they're rated at.

Fellas, I found the site of sites.

http://theinfidel.typepad.com/weblog/2006/07/index.html

WorldCup Hotties (from 31 countries)...

Argentina and Brasil have my vote

Ironically my motto in my single days was any hole is a goal.

And now? Any goal will do?

[Danno 1,228]

The common man does not do what is right for the society they live in. They do what is cheaper and more convenient for themselves. That tendency to be selfish is human nature and I do not deny that I myself can be very selfish. That is where govern-ment can play a role in encouraging, offering incentives and punitive measures to change the society.

This is what's so sad about liberalism - it's the regressive distrust in the individual's capacity to decide what's good for him/herself. Only the paternalistic Government can decide what's good for you. A return to infancy, in a way.

I have always hated paternalism, that's why I will never live in Sweden. Not that the country is too inviting anyway, with their 50% taxes and failed economy (wonder where the money for this "ambitious" program will come from?)

:thumbs:

Some people really do see Govt as "our Father", .. responsible for our care and even charged with making us eat our Veggies when we don't want too.

[Danno 1,228]

I'm still waiting for one of you people who think this is a great idea to tell me about the Electric car you drive?

Why do you need to Govt to make you drive one if you are already on-board with this concept?

It just seems so "Phony" to me that you want other people to do what you won't even do yourself.