Register With the Selective Service???

[Donna and Ali 0]

well im the poster of this tread, and to make my situation clear to you...i was 25 years old when i entered the country on a k1 visa last year and and six months later i filed for the AOS and i did sign that part on the application i-485 that says the uscis will register me on the sss if im eligible...lately on march 28 i received my conditional permanent resident card (green card) that got issued on the 16th and i was born on 14th so when i called the sss and checked if the uscis had registred me (since i seen that welcome to the united states guide stating that 1 of my resposibilities is to register with the sss if im between 18-26), it turned out they didn't so i asked the dude that i was on a k1 visa which is a non-immigrant visa and he said once my visa expired i had to register i told him the visa is valid for 3 months only even when it has 6 months on it and from wht he was saying i knew probably he never heard of that visa type...well then he asked me about the date i have on my green card and i told him the date on my green card is after my birth day by 2 days and i asked him if its too late for me to register even if its only 2 days and he replies "even if your late by 1 day".

If selective service say you should have registered then you should have registered. USCIS seem to screwed you over there (Shock horror). So far the only instance of needing selective service that I have seen is for getting federal grants and loans to pay for school. If you are planning on going to college here you will need to either get a letter from selective service saying you are exempt (I am sure you will need to provide proof of why you did not register) or you willl need to pay out of pocket or get a private loan to pay for school.

well i think you are wrong my friend and the proof i got it on my usb but infortunatly i forgot the cable somewhere so i will post the facts as soon as possible for who it may concern...thx

[Donna and Ali 0]

thats the rest of my reply :

when you call the sss you hear who's eligible and who is not and your hear if you are a non-immigrant then its not a must to register and i was searching on the uscis website and i found out this infos and the goods are underlined and in bold text: so for that i think that is a proof that poeple on k1 that adjusting status are not required to register (unless if they got denied by the uscis and that wasn't my case)...plus i dont recall the sss as a must because if i did i would of register no matter what also i already contacted the u.s army forces to join but the recruiter told me that i need to have my permanent resident first...then why wouldn't he tell me to register with the sss instead??? (when i was adjusting status still)??? huh???...anyway read this stuff :

thats the rest of my reply :

when you call the sss you hear who's eligible and who is not and your hear if you are a non-immigrant then its not a must to register and i was searching on the uscis website and i found out this infos and the goods are underlined and in bold text: so for that i think that is a proof that poeple on k1 that adjusting status are not required to register (unless if they got denied by the uscis and that wasn't my case)...plus i dont recall the sss as a must because if i did i would of register no matter what also i already contacted the u.s army forces to join but the recruiter told me that i need to have my permanent resident first...then why wouldn't he tell me to register with the sss instead??? (when i was adjusting status still)??? huh???...anyway read this stuff :

"Male applicants generally need to register with the Selective Service before applying for naturalization. If you are male, and lived in the United States (in any status other than as a lawful nonimmigrant) at any time between your 18th and 26th birthdays, you must be registered with the Selective Service System. Males who first entered the United States after they turned 26 years old are exempt from the requirement to register.

“If you were required to register, you will need to provide your Selective Service number to INS when you apply. You may get your Selective Service number by calling 1-847-688-6888 if you were born after December 31,1959. If you were born before March 29, 1957, you should call 1-703-605-4047. If you have not registered, you must register at a United States post office or on the Internet to receive a Selective Service number. The Selective Service System Internet site can be reached at www.sss.gov or through the INS Internet site at www.ins.usdoj.gov . You must have a Social Security number to register on the Internet.

must to register and i was searching on the uscis website and i found out this infos and the goods are underlined and in bold text: so for that i think that is a proof that poeple on k1 that adjusting status are not required to register (unless if they got denied by the uscis and that wasn't my case)...plus i dont recall the sss as a must because if i did i would of register no matter what also i already contacted the u.s army forces to join but the recruiter told me that i need to have my permanent resident first...then why wouldn't he tell me to register with the sss instead??? (when i was adjusting status still)??? huh???...anyway read this stuff :

"Male applicants generally need to register with the Selective Service before applying for naturalization. If you are male, and lived in the United States (in any status other than as a lawful nonimmigrant) at any time between your 18th and 26th birthdays, you must be registered with the Selective Service System. Males who first entered the United States after they turned 26 years old are exempt from the requirement to register.

“If you were required to register, you will need to provide your Selective Service number to INS when you apply. You may get your Selective Service number by calling 1-847-688-6888 if you were born after December 31,1959. If you were born before March 29, 1957, you should call 1-703-605-4047. If you have not registered, you must register at a United States post office or on the Internet to receive a Selective Service number. The Selective Service System Internet site can be reached at www.sss.gov or through the INS Internet site at www.ins.usdoj.gov . You must have a Social Security number to register on the Internet.

“If you were required to register but did not register before you turned 26, you must do the following:

•Call 1-847-688-6888, and complete the Selective Service System's Questionnaire Form (Males born before Match 29, 1957 should call 1-703-605-4047);

•Receive a 'status information letter' from the Selective Service; and

•Send the 'status information letter' to INS with your application."

"If you did not register with the Selective Service and you 1) are male 2) are over 26 years old and 3) lived in the United States in a status other than as a lawful non immigrant between the ages of 18 and 26, send; A 'Status Information Letter' from the Selective Service (call 1-847-688-6888 for more information)."

[DeadPoolX 9]

There's no need to be worried about registering. The draft will never be reinstated unless some sort of world-wide conflict (i.e. WWIII) began and the U.S. was incredibly desperate for soldiers. Under any other condition, the draft would not be utilized since politicians know it'd be immediate career death for them.

[Donna and Ali 0]

yeah but u have to worry about it when its a potential matter for naturalization.

[Texanadian 10]

NON-CITIZENS

Some non-citizens are required to register. Others are not. Noncitizens who are not required to register with Selective Service include men who are in the U.S. on student or visitor visas, and men who are part of a diplomatic or trade mission and their families. Almost all other male noncitizens are required to register, including illegal aliens, legal permanent residents, and refugees. The general rule is that if a male noncitizen takes up residency in the U.S. before his 26th birthday, he must register with Selective Service.

http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/WhoMustRegisterChart_7-23-08.pdf

The chart here shows does and doesn't. K1's don't sign up since they're considered to be temporary non-immigrants. They're thought of the same as people going to school here. Now once you get a green card, you're supposed to sign up (assuming you're still between 18 years old and 25 years and 364 days old.)

Read the last paragraph on page 2 of the pdf link above to clarify exactly the situation the original poster is in.

An illegal immigrant who is under 26 would be required to sign up for Selective Service. A K-1 wouldn't. I guess they figure illegals have "taken up residence."

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

NON-CITIZENS

Some non-citizens are required to register. Others are not. Noncitizens who are not required to register with Selective Service include men who are in the U.S. on student or visitor visas, and men who are part of a diplomatic or trade mission and their families. Almost all other male noncitizens are required to register, including illegal aliens, legal permanent residents, and refugees. The general rule is that if a male noncitizen takes up residency in the U.S. before his 26th birthday, he must register with Selective Service.

http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/WhoMustRegisterChart_7-23-08.pdf

The chart here shows does and doesn't. K1's don't sign up since they're considered to be temporary non-immigrants. They're thought of the same as people going to school here. Now once you get a green card, you're supposed to sign up (assuming you're still between 18 years old and 25 years and 364 days old.)

Read the last paragraph on page 2 of the pdf link above to clarify exactly the situation the original poster is in.

An illegal immigrant who is under 26 would be required to sign up for Selective Service. A K-1 wouldn't. I guess they figure illegals have "taken up residence."

I believe your assumption is incorrect. Once the K-1 visa holder marries, he/she loses the non-immigrant status and becomes a parolee, and therefore, still is required to to register with the Selective Service. A K-1 visa holder is considered an intending immigrant.

[Donna and Ali 0]

NON-CITIZENS

Some non-citizens are required to register. Others are not. Noncitizens who are not required to register with Selective Service include men who are in the U.S. on student or visitor visas, and men who are part of a diplomatic or trade mission and their families. Almost all other male noncitizens are required to register, including illegal aliens, legal permanent residents, and refugees. The general rule is that if a male noncitizen takes up residency in the U.S. before his 26th birthday, he must register with Selective Service.

http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/WhoMustRegisterChart_7-23-08.pdf

The chart here shows does and doesn't. K1's don't sign up since they're considered to be temporary non-immigrants. They're thought of the same as people going to school here. Now once you get a green card, you're supposed to sign up (assuming you're still between 18 years old and 25 years and 364 days old.)

Read the last paragraph on page 2 of the pdf link above to clarify exactly the situation the original poster is in.

An illegal immigrant who is under 26 would be required to sign up for Selective Service. A K-1 wouldn't. I guess they figure illegals have "taken up residence."

i do agree with you budy but the problem is that when i called the sss they seemed like they don't really do know about this details concerning k1 visa and other types.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

SELECTIVE SERVICE REGISTRATION. The following applies to you if you are a male at least 18 years old, but not yet 26 years old, who is required to register with the Selective Service System: "I understand that my filing this adjustment of status application with the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services authorizes USCIS to provide certain registration information to the Selective Service System in accordance with the Military Selective Service Act. Upon USCIS acceptance of my application, I authorize USCIS to transmit to the Selective Service System my name, current address, Social Security Number, date of birth and the date I filed the application for the purpose of recording my Selective Service registration as of the filing date. If, however, USCIS does not accept my application, I further understand that, if so required, I am responsible for registering with the Selective Service by other means, provided I have not yet reached age 26."

WHO MUST REGISTER? - CHART

Does every young man have to register when he turns 18? Just about!

Almost all male U.S. citizens regardless of where they live, and male immigrant aliens residing in the U.S., are required to be registered with Selective Service if they are at least 18 years old but are not yet 26 years old. Men who are 26 years old and older are too old to register. Some requirements are shown below: http://www.sss.gov/MUST.HTM

There are consequences to not registering.

BENEFITS AND PROGRAMS LINKED TO REGISTRATION

Registration is the law. A man who fails to register may, if prosecuted and convicted, face a fine of up to $250,000 and/or a prison term of up to five years.

Even if not tried, a man who fails to register with Selective Service before turning age 26 may find that some doors are permanently closed

STUDENT FINANCIAL AID

Men, born after December 31, 1959, who aren't registered with Selective Service won't qualify for Federal student loans or grant programs. This includes Pell Grants, College Work Study, Guaranteed Student/Plus Loans, and National Direct Student Loans.

CITIZENSHIP

The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) makes registration with Selective Service a condition for U.S. citizenship if the man first arrived in the U.S. before his 26th birthday.

FEDERAL JOB TRAINING

The Workforce Investment Act (formerly called the Job Training Partnership Act - JTPA) offers programs that can train young men for jobs in auto mechanics and other skills. This program is only open to those men who register with Selective Service. Only men born after December 31, 1959, are required to show proof of registration.

FEDERAL JOBS

A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. Proof of registration is required only for men born after December 31, 1959.

Some states have added additional penalties for those who fail to register. See State Legislation.

Selective Service wants young men to register. It does not want them to be prosecuted or denied benefits. If a draft is ever needed, it must be as fair as possible, and that fairness depends on having as many eligible men as possible registered. In the event of a draft, for every man who fails to register, another man would be required to take his place in service to his country.

http://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm

Edited April 8, 2009 by Mister_Bill

[Donna and Ali 0]

SELECTIVE SERVICE REGISTRATION. The following applies to you if you are a male at least 18 years old, but not yet 26 years old, who is required to register with the Selective Service System: "I understand that my filing this adjustment of status application with the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services authorizes USCIS to provide certain registration information to the Selective Service System in accordance with the Military Selective Service Act. Upon USCIS acceptance of my application, I authorize USCIS to transmit to the Selective Service System my name, current address, Social Security Number, date of birth and the date I filed the application for the purpose of recording my Selective Service registration as of the filing date. If, however, USCIS does not accept my application, I further understand that, if so required, I am responsible for registering with the Selective Service by other means, provided I have not yet reached age 26."

WHO MUST REGISTER? - CHART

Does every young man have to register when he turns 18? Just about!

Almost all male U.S. citizens regardless of where they live, and male immigrant aliens residing in the U.S., are required to be registered with Selective Service if they are at least 18 years old but are not yet 26 years old. Men who are 26 years old and older are too old to register. Some requirements are shown below: http://www.sss.gov/MUST.HTM

There are consequences to not registering.

BENEFITS AND PROGRAMS LINKED TO REGISTRATION

Registration is the law. A man who fails to register may, if prosecuted and convicted, face a fine of up to $250,000 and/or a prison term of up to five years.

Even if not tried, a man who fails to register with Selective Service before turning age 26 may find that some doors are permanently closed

STUDENT FINANCIAL AID

Men, born after December 31, 1959, who aren't registered with Selective Service won't qualify for Federal student loans or grant programs. This includes Pell Grants, College Work Study, Guaranteed Student/Plus Loans, and National Direct Student Loans.

CITIZENSHIP

The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) makes registration with Selective Service a condition for U.S. citizenship if the man first arrived in the U.S. before his 26th birthday.

FEDERAL JOB TRAINING

The Workforce Investment Act (formerly called the Job Training Partnership Act - JTPA) offers programs that can train young men for jobs in auto mechanics and other skills. This program is only open to those men who register with Selective Service. Only men born after December 31, 1959, are required to show proof of registration.

FEDERAL JOBS

A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. Proof of registration is required only for men born after December 31, 1959.

Some states have added additional penalties for those who fail to register. See State Legislation.

Selective Service wants young men to register. It does not want them to be prosecuted or denied benefits. If a draft is ever needed, it must be as fair as possible, and that fairness depends on having as many eligible men as possible registered. In the event of a draft, for every man who fails to register, another man would be required to take his place in service to his country.

http://www.sss.gov/FSbenefits.htm

in one hand i dont mean to be rude but we already know this details bro, so we recommend you to read the second thread on this page... in the otherhand u said that if you are on a k1 once you're married you are an intendeing bla bla bla bla well about that matter other ppl said (visite my visajourney page and go to my latest post the answer is there) when you get married your status become non-immigrant who is out of status and when u file for the AOS you become non-immigrant with a pending status and since non-immigrants are not allowed to register just like foreign students so for that you were wrong budy...is that clear?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Fine. Your problem. Not mine.

[Texanadian 10]

K-1's are always non-immigrants. From the time they step into the US until their K-1 expires. K-1's are never immigrants. Granted the "real world" view is that a K-1 intends to stay. But officially they're non-immigrants.

The K-1 doesn't expire when you get married. It expires in 90 days. That's why you need to file for AOS after marriage. but before the K-1 expires.

[Donna and Ali 0]

well buddies,

i have had received my selective service card a couple weeks ago, that means the uscis had transferred my information to the selective service which means i was right, right mister bill?? now u gotta admit that u were wrong about that matter...lol...otherwise im glad i have it because now i can apply for federal jobs...wooooooooohoooooooo oh yea federal jobs, they pay so damn good.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Hiya,

You will need to register yourself so they know that you are available for active duty (which is the law basically, every male between 18 and 26 needs to register themselves) but this does not mean you will actually have to fulfill active duty.

Thing is, as soon as the US hits a big war and they need to draft people (like for example happened during WW2), then you are very likely to receive a letter that you will need to fulfill active duty. This is basically the only reason that they need you to register. Also, when they actually draft you, you cannot say 'sorry but this isn't a good time' as that is considered illegal also.

Your wife might not like this, but it is the law.. any male between 18 and 26 needs to be registered, if they want or not. It just does not mean they actually have to fulfill duty

i understand that thx but the big question is that i turned 26 years old 2 weeks prior to the date when i received my green card...and when i checked on the sss web site it says you must register before ur 26th birthday!!!...so wht do you thiink the case is?

Edited July 2, 2009 by CherryXS

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

well buddies,

i have had received my selective service card a couple weeks ago, that means the uscis had transferred my information to the selective service which means i was right, right mister bill?? now u gotta admit that u were wrong about that matter...lol...otherwise im glad i have it because now i can apply for federal jobs...wooooooooohoooooooo oh yea federal jobs, they pay so damn good.

That's all it means. Glad that this turned out to be a non-issue for you.