Noticed something

[bryonm4 0]

Some people on here seem to have alot of red flegs and get there visa and others with the same red flag get theres denied. I bet if you look at the people that are getting there visa vs the people that are not getting the visa you would see a huge difference in income and or net worth. If your rich you don't need an engagement party, you don't need to make more than 1 trip, you can have many red flags you might see a blue followed by a pink. If you are poor you will get a white or blue followed by a white. They will even make stuff up on your denial like they did with mine.

The reason I think is if you are worth allot you are legit you are not going to marry somebody for a small lump some of money and if your poor you would. So the poor people get the interviewers that try to deny everybody with gastapo like tactics even making stuff up. If your rich it would be like bringing somebody over from canada the interviewers wouldn't know what a red flag was if it hit them in the face.

Maybe we should contact 60 minutes or somebody in the news and have them investigate this. I think its corrupt to the core and it needs to change.

[Dakine 26]

Some people on here seem to have alot of red flegs and get there visa and others with the same red flag get theres denied. I bet if you look at the people that are getting there visa vs the people that are not getting the visa you would see a huge difference in income and or net worth. If your rich you don't need an engagement party, you don't need to make more than 1 trip, you can have many red flags you might see a blue followed by a pink. If you are poor you will get a white or blue followed by a white. They will even make stuff up on your denial like they did with mine.

The reason I think is if you are worth allot you are legit you are not going to marry somebody for a small lump some of money and if your poor you would. So the poor people get the interviewers that try to deny everybody with gastapo like tactics even making stuff up. If your rich it would be like bringing somebody over from canada the interviewers wouldn't know what a red flag was if it hit them in the face.

Maybe we should contact 60 minutes or somebody in the news and have them investigate this. I think its corrupt to the core and it needs to change.

Nothing new. Dain't no free lunch. You work hard and make good money you are rewarded. Pretty basic in the US.

Simple! NO money, NO honey.

[SuperDuper! 230]

Some people on here seem to have alot of red flegs and get there visa and others with the same red flag get theres denied. I bet if you look at the people that are getting there visa vs the people that are not getting the visa you would see a huge difference in income and or net worth. If your rich you don't need an engagement party, you don't need to make more than 1 trip, you can have many red flags you might see a blue followed by a pink. If you are poor you will get a white or blue followed by a white. They will even make stuff up on your denial like they did with mine.

The reason I think is if you are worth allot you are legit you are not going to marry somebody for a small lump some of money and if your poor you would. So the poor people get the interviewers that try to deny everybody with gastapo like tactics even making stuff up. If your rich it would be like bringing somebody over from canada the interviewers wouldn't know what a red flag was if it hit them in the face.

Maybe we should contact 60 minutes or somebody in the news and have them investigate this. I think its corrupt to the core and it needs to change.

Nice conspiracy theory. Well thought out. Thank you for playing.

[Teacher Mark 53]

Some people on here seem to have alot of red flegs and get there visa and others with the same red flag get theres denied. I bet if you look at the people that are getting there visa vs the people that are not getting the visa you would see a huge difference in income and or net worth. If your rich you don't need an engagement party, you don't need to make more than 1 trip, you can have many red flags you might see a blue followed by a pink. If you are poor you will get a white or blue followed by a white. They will even make stuff up on your denial like they did with mine.

The reason I think is if you are worth allot you are legit you are not going to marry somebody for a small lump some of money and if your poor you would. So the poor people get the interviewers that try to deny everybody with gastapo like tactics even making stuff up. If your rich it would be like bringing somebody over from canada the interviewers wouldn't know what a red flag was if it hit them in the face.

Maybe we should contact 60 minutes or somebody in the news and have them investigate this. I think its corrupt to the core and it needs to change.

Nice conspiracy theory. Well thought out. Thank you for playing.

Get a few posts under your belt before you comment in a Vietnam thread noob.

[Peter&TT 0]

"...Contact 60 minutes or someone in the news ...."====>Good idea, I fully support!

In my case, although I'm not rich but I have a decent & stable income; made 2 trips to VN already. I' do have a red flag: my fiancee's sister was interviewed on the same date & same interviewer after we foretold them and they rescheduled my fiancee. Both of them got denied . I didn't know the other petitioner until i met my fiancee. I guess because they couldn't state "2 sisters" as a denied reason, but they surely had suspicion which is totally understandable in country like Vietnam and made up things to deny us. Yet I'll fight legally in everyway I can think of to proof the legit & genuineness of our relationship & to marry my beloved fiancee.

Reading you guys posts, espcially from Bryomn, of your first failures/fights for your love really gives me encouragement & comfort. Thanks very much VJ folks for sharing your journeys.

Cam

[Dau_Que 0]

The reason you were denied is because you have NOT spent enough $$$ (trips, ceremonies, etc...). If you believe one of the reasons you marry someone from this region of the world is because it gonna be "cheaper" than someone in the States, you now have learned the harsh reality.

And don't blame the US Consulate for your misery! Blame it on the Vietnamese people, who will try to cheat at every single opportunity presented to them. You have 2 choices to choose:

1) Learn to adapt to this new way of life, or

2) Stop pursuing this lifestyle. This region of the world is not the only place there still exists women.

This also applies to all those who whine and complain about the way of life of the Vietnamese people. You will NEVER change a thing about that society.

[bryonm4 0]

Lets look at facts if your rich the USA doesn't want that money to leave if your poor its one less person they have to pay for a nursing home for. If you have 500K then you can give it to your wife and she can come over on a buisness visa if she is willing to invest it in this country. The biggest red flag is being introduced by a relative. I heard there was a big bust where people in utah were getting 10,20, even 30k to bring people over from Vietnam. I would never marry anybody for money no matter how much it was however the consulate figures he's poor and they met threw a relative there must be a pay off where as if your rich you coulnd't be bribed to marry somebody.

If you read about the people with the red flags that got the visa money does not seem to be a problem to them. If you read about the people that got denied it seems most are poor or make a decent living but are not wealthy or rich. I bet there is an income level that they look at but they might also look at the area your in. If your in NY you might have to make 100k but if you live in ND you could make 50K because of the cost of living. If you have a high income they give you to the interviewers that pass 99% of the time.I have heard most of the time before the interview they already have determined if your going to get the white, pink, or blue. So the interviewer goes into the interview knowing he must give you a white slip so you get the gastapo tacktics untill you fail even if they have to make stuff up like they did with mine. I make a decent living im not poor but im not rich either. I might have been able to pass with a second trip but if I was poor I would have needed 3 or 4 trips and a big engagement party.

[bryonm4 0]

The reason you were denied is because you have NOT spent enough $$$ (trips, ceremonies, etc...). If you believe one of the reasons you marry someone from this region of the world is because it gonna be "cheaper" than someone in the States, you now have learned the harsh reality.

And don't blame the US Consulate for your misery! Blame it on the Vietnamese people, who will try to cheat at every single opportunity presented to them. You have 2 choices to choose:

1) Learn to adapt to this new way of life, or

2) Stop pursuing this lifestyle. This region of the world is not the only place there still exists women.

This also applies to all those who whine and complain about the way of life of the Vietnamese people. You will NEVER change a thing about that society.

What are you talking about. I have spent well over 10k so far there several people who have spent less than 1k and have gotten there visas simple because they have money. Luckytxn said he only made one trip and I don't know if he even had an engagement cermony. Plus he didn't even pay for his plane ticket he stated it was her relatives. That is several huge red flags but he got his visa simple to have money is all that is needed not how much you spend. If your rich then you will get your visa if your poor it doesn't matter thhey will try to deny you. Don't get me wrong i'm happy he got his visa along with the other people but I think its very unfair how the poor or non wealthy people are getting screwed. I don't know if luckytxn is wealthy or not but there are several people on here that got denied there visa's that have stated they have money problems and there are several people that had the same red flags that got there visas that don't have money problems so you do the math.

[SuperDuper! 230]

Some people on here seem to have alot of red flegs and get there visa and others with the same red flag get theres denied. I bet if you look at the people that are getting there visa vs the people that are not getting the visa you would see a huge difference in income and or net worth. If your rich you don't need an engagement party, you don't need to make more than 1 trip, you can have many red flags you might see a blue followed by a pink. If you are poor you will get a white or blue followed by a white. They will even make stuff up on your denial like they did with mine.

The reason I think is if you are worth allot you are legit you are not going to marry somebody for a small lump some of money and if your poor you would. So the poor people get the interviewers that try to deny everybody with gastapo like tactics even making stuff up. If your rich it would be like bringing somebody over from canada the interviewers wouldn't know what a red flag was if it hit them in the face.

Maybe we should contact 60 minutes or somebody in the news and have them investigate this. I think its corrupt to the core and it needs to change.

Nice conspiracy theory. Well thought out. Thank you for playing.

Get a few posts under your belt before you comment in a Vietnam thread noob.

The OP made a broad generalized statement, skippy, with no specific bias to one country or another. Spend some time reading about the discrimination that the MENA's are experiencing. It might just broaden your horizon's, all knowing one. Peace.

[Dakine 26]

I know if I were a CO I'd do a double check on someone who just barely meets the minimum poverty guidelines, doesn't have many assets and has a shaky job. Red flags fly even tho they qualify.

Compare to someone who makes well above the guidelines , owns property and has been employed in a established company for years.

They'd be a "shoe in".

Also take a look at the beneficiary. If they don't speak good English and don't have much education. They will have a difficult time getting a decent job and stand a good chance of ending up with the US paying for their "nursing home".

Compare with a bene who speaks excellent English and is a certified nurse and will end up taking care of the above example in a nursing home at $40 an hour.

You tell me which one is a asset to the our country.

Get's back to! "Money talks and Bullsh!t walks"!!

[luckytxn 2,265]

The reason you were denied is because you have NOT spent enough $$$ (trips, ceremonies, etc...). If you believe one of the reasons you marry someone from this region of the world is because it gonna be "cheaper" than someone in the States, you now have learned the harsh reality.

And don't blame the US Consulate for your misery! Blame it on the Vietnamese people, who will try to cheat at every single opportunity presented to them. You have 2 choices to choose:

1) Learn to adapt to this new way of life, or

2) Stop pursuing this lifestyle. This region of the world is not the only place there still exists women.

This also applies to all those who whine and complain about the way of life of the Vietnamese people. You will NEVER change a thing about that society.

What are you talking about. I have spent well over 10k so far there several people who have spent less than 1k and have gotten there visas simple because they have money. Luckytxn said he only made one trip and I don't know if he even had an engagement cermony. Plus he didn't even pay for his plane ticket he stated it was her relatives. That is several huge red flags but he got his visa simple to have money is all that is needed not how much you spend. If your rich then you will get your visa if your poor it doesn't matter thhey will try to deny you. Don't get me wrong i'm happy he got his visa along with the other people but I think its very unfair how the poor or non wealthy people are getting screwed. I don't know if luckytxn is wealthy or not but there are several people on here that got denied there visa's that have stated they have money problems and there are several people that had the same red flags that got there visas that don't have money problems so you do the math.

Don't drag me into this idiotic theory. I am far from rich. I am just a over the road truck driver and make ok money. I had a engagement party and much other things that we all needed just like any other. I am no different than any other here.

[Jack & Xuan 0]

The reason you were denied is because you have NOT spent enough $$$ (trips, ceremonies, etc...). If you believe one of the reasons you marry someone from this region of the world is because it gonna be "cheaper" than someone in the States, you now have learned the harsh reality.

And don't blame the US Consulate for your misery! Blame it on the Vietnamese people, who will try to cheat at every single opportunity presented to them. You have 2 choices to choose:

1) Learn to adapt to this new way of life, or

2) Stop pursuing this lifestyle. This region of the world is not the only place there still exists women.

This also applies to all those who whine and complain about the way of life of the Vietnamese people. You will NEVER change a thing about that society.

What are you talking about. I have spent well over 10k so far there several people who have spent less than 1k and have gotten there visas simple because they have money. Luckytxn said he only made one trip and I don't know if he even had an engagement cermony. Plus he didn't even pay for his plane ticket he stated it was her relatives. That is several huge red flags but he got his visa simple to have money is all that is needed not how much you spend. If your rich then you will get your visa if your poor it doesn't matter thhey will try to deny you. Don't get me wrong i'm happy he got his visa along with the other people but I think its very unfair how the poor or non wealthy people are getting screwed. I don't know if luckytxn is wealthy or not but there are several people on here that got denied there visa's that have stated they have money problems and there are several people that had the same red flags that got there visas that don't have money problems so you do the math.

Don't drag me into this idiotic theory. I am far from rich. I am just a over the road truck driver and make ok money. I had a engagement party and much other things that we all needed just like any other. I am no different than any other here.

Well put Tex . I have had to struggle as well. I am not rich but I do have a mortgauge, some ok credit and I can hold a job. I tell you this, if I were rich I would be living in Vietnam. At least as much as I could. For me I do not understand why the rich stay in this country. As some know I was a U.S. Marine and I have done my part for my country. I know that America offers some things while taking away others. Every country have those things that make it good and bad. If I were rich I would not go through all of this, I would just move there where there is far less trouble. Or that is the way I see it anyway.

[dalegg 143]

This is not some conspiracy and you are not going to get any sympathy from viewers watching 60 minutes if the issue was to ever make it to television. Remember the current pulse of the country regarding immigration right now.

The more money you have, the more the question of support is taken out of the picture. That is the second biggest question in the visa approval decision. The first biggest question is - is it for real? Meaning, is there a chance you are taking part of a scam whereby you are being paid for your assistance in a fake marriage visa. The more money you have the less likely you are to take a chance in being part of a visa scam proposal. So with these two issues taken out of the question, you are more likely to get an approval.

[SuperDuper! 230]

This is not some conspiracy and you are not going to get any sympathy from viewers watching 60 minutes if the issue was to ever make it to television. Remember the current pulse of the country regarding immigration right now.

The more money you have, the more the question of support is taken out of the picture. That is the second biggest question in the visa approval decision. The first biggest question is - is it for real? Meaning, is there a chance you are taking part of a scam whereby you are being paid for your assistance in a fake marriage visa. The more money you have the less likely you are to take a chance in being part of a visa scam proposal. So with these two issues taken out of the question, you are more likely to get an approval.

you make a good point: if the visa is shaky in 2 major areas, A] Brokety broke guy trying to import a foreign wife he cant afford, and B] skimpy evidence of a bonafide relationship, of course the chance of getting RFE is increased.

Hell, we have a housing mortgage meltdown cuz politicians loosened the regulations of credit lending for mortgages, and thousands of people signed up for homes they could no way afford.

Most men would like a young, sweet mail order bride, but many cannot afford the postage, so they cant get one. ITz that simple.

Peace

Edited March 29, 2009 by itzallgood

[luckytxn 2,265]

All of this is why we all ask for more info from everyone that goes through the process whether they pass or not. I and most here are perplexed by the way things seem to us when someone is denied. The ones denied are perplexed when the ones get approved.

We are told by many that they get denied because they have only gone one time. I and others here have only been once and get the pink. The same goes for any one or more reasons. We are trying to make heads or tails of it all.

I have and many have put in what the interview was like and the questions and many do not do so. We have incomplete info when others do not share. I was asking basic questions of someone that got denied and they did not say except little what happened. Also many times we see why some one is denied and try to help or offer to anyway but it is turned away. The only thing we can all do is go on and try what we think is best ourselves.

Yes I was lucky I think. I expected to have to go back and other stuff. I will not apologize for getting a pink but can and do pray for us all here. I am just a average joe after all. I do not make gobs of money. I have a mortgage a decent retirement going. Good savings that is enabling me to take time off and look for local work to be with my babe more. I also work hard and save and do not waste. Nothing is special about me at all.

Her Aunt did buy my ticket and she did not have to do so and did it as a thank you for many things I have done for them over years. Most of it has been a pain in the butt but they are friends.They are now family of mine and I love them all to death.

I hate when I hear someone denied. It seems so unfair to me. I also show my wife and we both pray.