Burger King customer kills robber

[justashooter 430]

As I said we can only speculate - but I think its questionable whether pulling a gun on a criminal is a good idea in a crowded restaurant. That seems a surefire way to get other people killed.

Whether the guy would have gone on to "escalate" is surely irrelevant to that specific situation, and all such arguments do is justify a have-a-go hero attitude that encourages people using stories like this for the purposes of some sort of vicarious porno trip.

shooting a criminal is permitted under state statute in most states, "if the respondent has a reasonable and articulable fear that he or another individual is in fear of greivous bodily harm". the respondent is skating on this one, so the DA has ruled it a good shoot.

this is America, stoopid boy.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not disputing whether or not its "permitted".

[Peikko 1,575]

Is shooter doing an Arthur Lowe?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Shooter *is* Arthur Lowe. Or at least a US equivalent.

[Bobby+Umit 161]

Its possible also that he exacerbated the situation and created a gunfight that could have been avoided - if the guy was permitted to take the money and leave.

We can only speculate of course - but if the customer was shot at least 3 times (it doesn't say how many rounds were exchanged) it was clearly a fairly protracted gun fight. It also doesn't say exactly how many people were in the restaurant.

Then the perp gets a bit bolder and takes on more heists, till finally, he loses it and takes out innocent people.

Escalating criminal activity is well documented. I suggest you read up on it.

As I said we can only speculate - but I think its questionable whether pulling a gun on a criminal is a good idea in a crowded restaurant. That seems a surefire way to get other people killed.

Whether the guy would have gone on to "escalate" is surely irrelevant to that specific situation, and all such arguments do is justify a have-a-go hero attitude that encourages people using stories like this for the purposes of some sort of vicarious porno trip.

Lubys

Again, I hope you never are in this situation in real life, really.

The armed civilian, legally carrying a concealed weapon, even gave the perp a chance to put the gun down.

And he gets shot for being a "nice" guy.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its possible also that he exacerbated the situation and created a gunfight that could have been avoided - if the guy was permitted to take the money and leave.

We can only speculate of course - but if the customer was shot at least 3 times (it doesn't say how many rounds were exchanged) it was clearly a fairly protracted gun fight. It also doesn't say exactly how many people were in the restaurant.

Then the perp gets a bit bolder and takes on more heists, till finally, he loses it and takes out innocent people.

Escalating criminal activity is well documented. I suggest you read up on it.

As I said we can only speculate - but I think its questionable whether pulling a gun on a criminal is a good idea in a crowded restaurant. That seems a surefire way to get other people killed.

Whether the guy would have gone on to "escalate" is surely irrelevant to that specific situation, and all such arguments do is justify a have-a-go hero attitude that encourages people using stories like this for the purposes of some sort of vicarious porno trip.

Lubys

Again, I hope you never are in this situation in real life, really.

The armed civilian, legally carrying a concealed weapon, even gave the perp a chance to put the gun down.

And he gets shot for being a "nice" guy.

I don't have any reason to expect that I will.

I might as well say I hope you never get struck by lightning.

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh, not more 'I hope it doesn't happen' when clearly what you mean is, "actually, I really do hope it happens so you get your just deserts." However, statistically, it's not going to. Sorry.

I must be John Le Mesurier, Charles is definitely Bill Pertwee and FP has to be John Laurie

Not to be left out, A.J is James Beck, now that's settled...

[Bobby+Umit 161]

Oh, not more 'I hope it doesn't happen' when clearly what you mean is, "actually, I really do hope it happens so you get your just deserts." However, statistically, it's not going to. Sorry.

I must be John Le Mesurier, Charles is definitely Bill Pertwee and FP has to be John Laurie

Not to be left out, A.J is James Beck, now that's settled...

You don't know me Madame, nor do you know my motivations.

So please keep that in mind, and don't attempt to read more than I wrote, or put words in my mouth.

I have had to clean up after some of these "low" statistical incidents. It's not fun.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh, not more 'I hope it doesn't happen' when clearly what you mean is, "actually, I really do hope it happens so you get your just deserts." However, statistically, it's not going to. Sorry.

I must be John Le Mesurier, Charles is definitely Bill Pertwee and FP has to be John Laurie

Not to be left out, A.J is James Beck, now that's settled...

You don't know me Madame, nor do you know my motivations.

So please keep that in mind, and don't attempt to read more than I wrote, or put words in my mouth.

I have had to clean up after some of these "low" statistical incidents. It's not fun.

I'm sure it isn't fun. Why then are we promoting and glorifying stories about gunfights at family restaurants.

[HAL 9000 96]

Agreed. MC. It would be better if we wouldn't read into others' intentions like some try to do routinely without much merit.

Now Bobby... care to elaborate as to why, given that a general population statistic becomes a data point (you) that may empirically be involved in a certain kind of activity (the ones you are alluding to without actually mentioning) depending on several factors including a) job description, B) where you live, and/or c) bad luck.

[웃 910]

Now Bobby... care to elaborate as to why, given that a general population statistic becomes a data point (you) that may empirically be involved in a certain kind of activity (the ones you are alluding to without actually mentioning) depending on several factors including a) job description, B) where you live, and/or c) bad luck.

[Kevin and 10]

Its possible also that he exacerbated the situation and created a gunfight that could have been avoided - if the guy was permitted to take the money and leave.

We can only speculate of course - but if the customer was shot at least 3 times (it doesn't say how many rounds were exchanged) it was clearly a fairly protracted gun fight. It also doesn't say exactly how many people were in the restaurant.

Then the perp gets a bit bolder and takes on more heists, till finally, he loses it and takes out innocent people.

Escalating criminal activity is well documented. I suggest you read up on it.

As I said we can only speculate - but I think its questionable whether pulling a gun on a criminal is a good idea in a crowded restaurant. That seems a surefire way to get other people killed.

Whether the guy would have gone on to "escalate" is surely irrelevant to that specific situation, and all such arguments do is justify a have-a-go hero attitude that encourages people using stories like this for the purposes of some sort of vicarious porno trip.

Lubys

Again, I hope you never are in this situation in real life, really.

The armed civilian, legally carrying a concealed weapon, even gave the perp a chance to put the gun down.

And he gets shot for being a "nice" guy.

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[Bobby+Umit 161]

Agreed. MC. It would be better if we wouldn't read into others' intentions like some try to do routinely without much merit.

Now Bobby... care to elaborate as to why, given that a general population statistic becomes a data point (you) that may empirically be involved in a certain kind of activity (the ones you are alluding to without actually mentioning) depending on several factors including a) job description, B) where you live, and/or c) bad luck.

A) Former Military

B) Guess what A did?

C) Part of the Job.

Does that satisfy you?

[HAL 9000 96]

Now Bobby... care to elaborate as to why, given that a general population statistic becomes a data point (you) that may empirically be involved in a certain kind of activity (the ones you are alluding to without actually mentioning) depending on several factors including a) job description, B) where you live, and/or c) bad luck.

Simple statistics. He may well be an outlier in terms of being averaged into the population mean. From his perspective, his mean might be extremely different from the rest of the population.

[Peikko 1,575]

What other implication is there from a 'wish this doesn't happen to you'? Statistically, it's not going to so I don't require your 'good wishes' for it not to. The only possible interpretation of what you wrote is that in fact you rather hope I do end up in a situation of this kind so you can be proved right.