Bad news for the AWB supporters

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If you look at a lot of the coverage about the Mexican Drug Cartel violence......a lot of the weopons used are military grade weopons that you can't purchase here legally anyways. I think its likely that they get their weopons from the U.S., but also from Venezuela and Columbia. I reiterate..... In a perfect world, we could just make handguns and assault rifles go away. But since that's not going to happen, You won't be taking the guns out of the hands of the criminals who are the target of such a ban. They aren't going to willingly turn over their weopons, only the law abiding citizens will. So whats the point? This is like the governments attempt at alcohol prohibition. Nice try, but it is something that is so ingrained in our society that you can't just take it away. Look at recent attempts at taking baby steps to eliminate things like assault rifles....... I don't think anyone can rationally argue that assault rifles have any utility in our society. I think the arguement boils down to the fact that it will have a nil effect on decreasing crime and violence.

Well that's funny... most of the automatic weaponry the Colombian army uses is US-made.

Which is why, even if talking about a ban, the sensible ban would be on manufacture geared particularly for differential markets.

[Ban Hammer 13,465]

A ban on manufacturing will make it more difficult for someone to obtain them.

yeah i see that ban working real well in mexico too.

From what I understand, because of the current laws against, or for strict ownership of fully automatic weapons, the weapons manufacturers came up with legal semi-auto versions. Limiting the number of rounds is a significant part of the ban proposal.

apparently you can't see that slippery slope you've jumped on. enjoy the ride.

That first quote isn't my words...

Secondly - there's no slippery slope. We have restrictions of ownership of full auto weapons and nobody takes issue with that. This follows the same logic.

(fixed the first quote in the original and in this reply)

we also have restrictions on semi auto but there's issues with that. and don't give me the no one has an issue with full auto weapons.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;#entry2766172

[Danno 1,228]

With the exception of the magazine size...... what is it about the so-called Assault that is so bad?

Why is the ban so focused on such silly things as;

Bayonet lug- has anyone been bayoneted>?

Collapsing stock- no matter how short you make it operates the same way and a legal handgun conceals even better (if thats the goal.)

Flash suppressor- how does eliminating this save anyone?

Pistol grip- Don't pistols have these too yet they say "we don't want to ban hanguns".

IF these people were honest, they would simply ban high capacity magazines.

This is the only feature that would have any effect on operation of these guns.

There is a reason they don't go after the magazine alone, they want to ban guns, plain and simple.

They will ban this class of weapons and then start working on certain Handguns and after that

they will move to the next class until all guns are banned.

Yet there will still be millions and millions of guns now floating among the criminal elements.

This is America, if you think gun bands failed to live up to their promises in other countries you aint seen nothing.

We have so many unregistered guns floating around, and so many criminals free to do as they want with an unarmed populace, you think home-invasions are bad now, what do you think it would be like then?

Talk about "gated communities" we would see "gated lives".

Next time you watch the news and see a shooting, look at the suspect and ask yourself "would this person have turned in his gun"?

Then you will see how effective these things are.

[*Robert* 2]

Short answer Danno...

NOTHING!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

There is a reason they don't go after the magazine alone, they want to ban guns, plain and simple.

You're projecting.

[Danno 1,228]

There is a reason they don't go after the magazine alone, they want to ban guns, plain and simple.

You're projecting.

Well naturally

But we have seen the playbook more than once.

[justashooter 430]

But Steven, any weapon could be used for an assault or a crime. The VT shooter showed just how devastating and assaultive 2 pistols could be.

the VT shootings show how bad things can get when students hide under desks, instead of taking their destiny into their own hands. those children were raised in a "call 911" culture, and paid the price for believing the lie that police will protect you when things go south.

[justashooter 430]

I do think that guns are ingrained in this society - and we couldn't realistically do away with them even if we wanted to (and if they weren't protected under the constitution).

a lesson in american government for you, my friend:

the USA is not a democracy (rule by mob). it is a republic (rule by representative). it is based upon a governing text called the constitution, which declares the limits within which government must function, specifically declares rights reserved to "the people", and even goes as far as to note that all powers not apportioned within the document structure are reserved to "the people".

this governemnt was established in a time in which the common man was not educated, so could not be trusted to vote in accordance with the interests of his country, rather, could be expected to vote in accordance with his own personal interests. as Americans became more educated they became more involved in their country, sacrificing their own interests voluntarily, and living the lives of true patriots.

sadly, all good things must come to an end (tian xia meiyou busan de yanxi), and the country is returning to a state of uneducability, compromised by miseducation.

hence the importance of the constitution, and the structure of the republic.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yeah I totally hadn't heard that before...

Keep on topic shooter and save the history and government lessons.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

But Steven, any weapon could be used for an assault or a crime. The VT shooter showed just how devastating and assaultive 2 pistols could be.

the VT shootings show how bad things can get when students hide under desks, instead of taking their destiny into their own hands. those children were raised in a "call 911" culture, and paid the price for believing the lie that police will protect you when things go south.

This surely wins the award for scumbag post of the day.

I don't know about you but a school isn't a war zone. It isn't a place where people reasonably expect to have to fight for their lives. But I suppose to any have a go rambo wannabe fear and confusion when faced with an unknown and terrifying situation is somehow reprehensible cowardice.

The more you talk the less you sound like an ordinary person as much as the sort of person who would carry out such an act.

[justashooter 430]

But Steven, any weapon could be used for an assault or a crime. The VT shooter showed just how devastating and assaultive 2 pistols could be.

the VT shootings show how bad things can get when students hide under desks, instead of taking their destiny into their own hands. those children were raised in a "call 911" culture, and paid the price for believing the lie that police will protect you when things go south.

This surely wins the award for scumbag post of the day.

I don't know about you but a school isn't a war zone. It isn't a place where people reasonably expect to have to fight for their lives. But I suppose to any have a go rambo wannabe fear and confusion when faced with an unknown and terrifying situation is somehow reprehensible cowardice.

The more you talk the less you sound like an ordinary person as much as the sort of person who would carry out such an act.

feel free to hide under your desk all day and scream, my friend. i'll take whatever shots i have to in order to keep my skin, and have taught my family to do the same. the more we let the mentally ill walk the streets, the more dangerous they get. the more illegals and palestinians and gitmo types, yet more so. thsi is the result of leftist thinking in which "everybody is welcome, no matter how crazy they are, as long as they vote democrat".

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

But Steven, any weapon could be used for an assault or a crime. The VT shooter showed just how devastating and assaultive 2 pistols could be.

the VT shootings show how bad things can get when students hide under desks, instead of taking their destiny into their own hands. those children were raised in a "call 911" culture, and paid the price for believing the lie that police will protect you when things go south.

This surely wins the award for scumbag post of the day.

I don't know about you but a school isn't a war zone. It isn't a place where people reasonably expect to have to fight for their lives. But I suppose to any have a go rambo wannabe fear and confusion when faced with an unknown and terrifying situation is somehow reprehensible cowardice.

The more you talk the less you sound like an ordinary person as much as the sort of person who would carry out such an act.

feel free to hide under your desk all day and scream, my friend. i'll take whatever shots i have to in order to keep my skin, and have taught my family to do the same. the more we let the mentally ill walk the streets, the more dangerous they get. the more illegals and palestinians and gitmo types, yet more so. thsi is the result of leftist thinking in which "everybody is welcome, no matter how crazy they are, as long as they vote democrat".

Could you possibly get any more melodramatic (or illogical)? Seriously...

[HAL 9000 96]

But Steven, any weapon could be used for an assault or a crime. The VT shooter showed just how devastating and assaultive 2 pistols could be.

the VT shootings show how bad things can get when students hide under desks, instead of taking their destiny into their own hands. those children were raised in a "call 911" culture, and paid the price for believing the lie that police will protect you when things go south.

This surely wins the award for scumbag post of the day.

I don't know about you but a school isn't a war zone. It isn't a place where people reasonably expect to have to fight for their lives. But I suppose to any have a go rambo wannabe fear and confusion when faced with an unknown and terrifying situation is somehow reprehensible cowardice.

The more you talk the less you sound like an ordinary person as much as the sort of person who would carry out such an act.

feel free to hide under your desk all day and scream, my friend. i'll take whatever shots i have to in order to keep my skin, and have taught my family to do the same. the more we let the mentally ill walk the streets, the more dangerous they get. the more illegals and palestinians and gitmo types, yet more so. thsi is the result of leftist thinking in which "everybody is welcome, no matter how crazy they are, as long as they vote democrat".

Wow. Crazy and crazier.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I guess he's watched too many James Bond films.

Probably takes the seat facing the door whenever he goes to a restaurant and never walks with his hands in his pockets.

I thought the Robert De Niro character from Taxi Driver was pretty out there - but it would seem than there's more of those guys around that we'd like to admit.

Edited March 27, 2009 by Private Pike

[HAL 9000 96]

I guess he's watched too many James Bond films.

Probably takes the seat facing the door whenever he goes to a restaurant and never walks with his hands in his pockets.

I thought the Robert De Niro character from Taxi Driver was pretty out there - but it would seem than there's more of those guys around that we'd like to admit.

Or the Michael Douglas type in 'Falling Down.'