We think: Assault-weapons ban one way to fight back against violent crime

[Peikko 1,575]

Right, we believe you, seeing as you don't have any agenda whatsoever.

[Danno 1,228]

I'm hardly surprised, of course, but you would have thought after spending some time on an immigration forum that is meant to welcome everyone from all backgrounds he would have learned at least to curb his enthusiasm for such offensiveness.

But I am the Peace-maker here, the Jimmy Carty of VJ if you will.

I simply feel such remarks (Intended to personally insult) should either be "okay" or not.

Yes it's true, I don't get the parsing of definitions to excuse one and assigning the death penalty for other nearly comparable ones.

By the way, Redneck always means Lowclass white, before and now.

[HAL 9000 96]

[Peikko 1,575]

I'm hardly surprised, of course, but you would have thought after spending some time on an immigration forum that is meant to welcome everyone from all backgrounds he would have learned at least to curb his enthusiasm for such offensiveness.

But I am the Peace-maker here, the Jimmy Carty of VJ if you will.

I simply feel such remarks (Intended to personally insult) should either be "okay" or not.

Yes it's true, I don't get the parsing of definitions to excuse one and assigning the death penalty for other nearly comparable ones.

By the way, Redneck always means Lowclass white, before and now.

No, that's not even half right. One can use insults, within reason and people often do. I can call you an ####### and I might get chastised for being rude, but I will not get suspended. So, no, I don't think you are getting it, yet. Nearly comparable and what's the death penalty analogy? Crikey, you aren't even half way up the incline yet, let alone happily riding down the other side.

Edited March 24, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[natty bumppo 297]

OK, MF, I checked out the story and here's a direct copy:

Mexican law enforcement authorities and soldiers face heavily armed drug gangs with high-powered military automatic weapons. Perhaps 90% of these weapons are smuggled across the US border. They are frequently purchased from licensed US gun dealers in Texas, Arizona, and

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California. AK-47 assault rifles are literally bought a hundred at a time and illegally brought into Mexico. Mexican authorities routinely seize BOXES of unopened automatic military weapons. The confiscation rates by Mexican law enforcement of hand grenades, RPG’s, and AK-47’s are at the level of wartime battlefield seizures

US Citizens CAN NOT purchase automatic weapons. I'll repeat for emphasis, US Citizens CAN NOT purchase automatic weapons.

They can not purchase automatic weapons from legit gun dealers. Nada, Nyet, Nein, No. So yes this report and all your spin is just that.

The boxes of weapons seized as those for the Mexican Army. Great thought, there is corruption in the other country.

The first thing that all Dictators do is to disarm the populace. You obviously do not cherish your democracy and the freedoms and rights bestowed.

Umm ... excuse me ....

yes they can provided the proper paperwork and such is completed/ paid. FOPA 86 states any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians.

[elkfarmer 4]

I have to jump in on this one. As a ex FFL dealer from USA, I have my own opinion on the guns going to Mexico from the Us. Any legitament dealer in USA would never sell a 100 weapons at a time to one person. First of all, he could not get that many in an order from the wholesaler. They are in very short supply. Two year wait list from Armalite. Colt a little better. Bushmaster (Remington) running round the clock. You can get a few here and a few there, but some one doesn't know the gun business. Now as I said, if a legal dealer suspects a strawman purchase, believe me, ATF is going to hear about it. Damn it, if we could stop some of the stuff going South, maybe the price would go down here in the States. NOT !

[elkfarmer 4]

God I love this post on the Assault weapons thing. We are talking right up my ally. I see some of you are mixing up assault weapons with hunting guns again. Basically the only thing different about the them, is that one accepts a bayonet and a flash hider. (Assault weapon). Hell, the Springfield single shot was considered an assault weapon once. Ask Custer. The Indians had Henrys and Winchesters. Shot well with them. As far as the new ones, they can not fire more then one shot with a single pull of the trigger. and I assure you the Mexicanos are using full autos. Our Modern rifles will not do that. Since 1986, no more full autos are available to be sold to the general public. Meaning, price then was about $2000 and is now $20,000. Yes they are legal to own, (at least in my state), by going through a background check by ATF and paying the fee. So pray tell, where are the machine guns coming from. Federalies ? Who knows. Care to debate some more ?

[justashooter 430]

Redneck is not racist. Rude, perhaps bigoted, but not racist. Most often the appellant and the named are of the same race. It is not weighted with the same contextual bias, a history of oppression and more importantly, the rednecks themselves coined the phrase to describe themselves, as I understand it, it was not ever designed to make rednecks feel inferior.

so you're saying this is kinda like when one black guy says to another, "what's up , my ***?"

so, in your perfect world, he can use the word, but i can't? what if i was using it in the same spirit, say like i'm the guy in the "8 Mile" movie, and just trying to fit in. would i then be called a racist only on basis of my skin color and another person's stereotype of the intent of the words of the white guy?

so when a black guy calls me "cuz", and i call him "cuz" back, is this racism, or just harmonious communication. please clarify, oh arbiter of all things involving racism, definer of teh roles of cultures, and the appropriate relatios between them, divider of the peoples on basis of color and creed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh god, not this $hit again

[fozzie 41]

wetback is a slur and a racist one at thart

rednecks is not.....look at blue collar tour and others....i be called a redneck and never took offense...in maine, everyone thought i was from mississippi

If you are not a Redneck... Why "would" you be offended>?

If someone called me Niggger or Redneck or towel-head it would not offend me either.

Typically they are meant to offend someones race or class... especially when "Dumb" is coupled with it.

As for the Blue collar tour, does the Dave Chappelle's Show, then give license as well?

As for the dumb comment, I added the dumb part for clarification because the rednecks in the video I watched looked pretty dumb to me. Not all rednecks are dumb, but they were.

[Danno 1,228]

wetback is a slur and a racist one at thart

rednecks is not.....look at blue collar tour and others....i be called a redneck and never took offense...in maine, everyone thought i was from mississippi

If you are not a Redneck... Why "would" you be offended>?

If someone called me Niggger or Redneck or towel-head it would not offend me either.

Typically they are meant to offend someones race or class... especially when "Dumb" is coupled with it.

As for the Blue collar tour, does the Dave Chappelle's Show, then give license as well?

As for the dumb comment, I added the dumb part for clarification because the rednecks in the video I watched looked pretty dumb to me. Not all rednecks are dumb, but they were.

So by posting a vid of one jackass it proves what?

I'm trying to see what the point of a random vid is?

[Peikko 1,575]

Redneck is not racist. Rude, perhaps bigoted, but not racist. Most often the appellant and the named are of the same race. It is not weighted with the same contextual bias, a history of oppression and more importantly, the rednecks themselves coined the phrase to describe themselves, as I understand it, it was not ever designed to make rednecks feel inferior.

so you're saying this is kinda like when one black guy says to another, "what's up , my ***?"

so, in your perfect world, he can use the word, but i can't? what if i was using it in the same spirit, say like i'm the guy in the "8 Mile" movie, and just trying to fit in. would i then be called a racist only on basis of my skin color and another person's stereotype of the intent of the words of the white guy?

so when a black guy calls me "cuz", and i call him "cuz" back, is this racism, or just harmonious communication. please clarify, oh arbiter of all things involving racism, definer of teh roles of cultures, and the appropriate relatios between them, divider of the peoples on basis of color and creed.

Shooter, racism is what it is. I suggest you try watching Bedazzled, and start reading some historical material regarding the roots of racism in America. What is and isn't racism is not dictated by what I think and believe.

[ellarry 0]

Never thought I would be assisting cry_baby_pants with Mega Nerds (Hal 9000) links but they interesting.

U.S. Guns Behind Cartel Killings in Mexico

U.S. Gun Trial Echoes in Drug-Torn Mexico

ATF chief: Most illegal guns seized in Mexico are from U.S.

August 12, 2008

EL PASO, Texas – Nearly all illegal guns seized in Mexico come from the United States, the head of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said yesterday.

ATF acting director Michael Sullivan said investigators have traced 90 percent to 95 percent of the weapons found in Mexico to the United States. Generally, only law enforcement officers or military personnel can legally possess guns in Mexico.

sir u are right all military style weapons should be outrightly ban, I don't own a gun but beleive people should be abble to protect them self with an hand gun not a war gun, Pre. Obama its time to make those promises come to life pls do something b4 criminal take over this beloved Country

[Danno 1,228]

Never thought I would be assisting cry_baby_pants with Mega Nerds (Hal 9000) links but they interesting.

U.S. Guns Behind Cartel Killings in Mexico

U.S. Gun Trial Echoes in Drug-Torn Mexico

ATF chief: Most illegal guns seized in Mexico are from U.S.

August 12, 2008

EL PASO, Texas – Nearly all illegal guns seized in Mexico come from the United States, the head of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said yesterday.

ATF acting director Michael Sullivan said investigators have traced 90 percent to 95 percent of the weapons found in Mexico to the United States. Generally, only law enforcement officers or military personnel can legally possess guns in Mexico.

sir u are right all military style weapons should be outrightly ban, I don't own a gun but beleive people should be abble to protect them self with an hand gun not a war gun, Pre. Obama its time to make those promises come to life pls do something b4 criminal take over this beloved Country

"military style weapons"... would that include a handgun and knife? They are both military weapons sold on the open market.

To wade into this debate, (with any credibility) one must first know a little something about what it is you want to ban.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Never thought I would be assisting cry_baby_pants with Mega Nerds (Hal 9000) links but they interesting.

U.S. Guns Behind Cartel Killings in Mexico

U.S. Gun Trial Echoes in Drug-Torn Mexico

ATF chief: Most illegal guns seized in Mexico are from U.S.

August 12, 2008

EL PASO, Texas – Nearly all illegal guns seized in Mexico come from the United States, the head of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said yesterday.

ATF acting director Michael Sullivan said investigators have traced 90 percent to 95 percent of the weapons found in Mexico to the United States. Generally, only law enforcement officers or military personnel can legally possess guns in Mexico.

sir u are right all military style weapons should be outrightly ban, I don't own a gun but beleive people should be abble to protect them self with an hand gun not a war gun, Pre. Obama its time to make those promises come to life pls do something b4 criminal take over this beloved Country

"military style weapons"... would that include a handgun and knife? They are both military weapons sold on the open market.

To wade into this debate, (with any credibility) one must first know a little something about what it is you want to ban.

That can be done without individuals here needing to be particularly knowledgable about said firearms. Like I said - it doesn't sound like it would be difficult to identify certain models and features that should not be available to the public retail market.

The UK did a similar thing about dangerous dogs a few years back.