We think: Assault-weapons ban one way to fight back against violent crime

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

Who needs an assault rifle?

1) Hunters? - This "sport" is already largely asinine. As an avid hiker I walk up within 50 feet of deer on a regular basis and could easily shoot them with my Glock if I were so inclined and easily amused. With hunting (specifically deer hunting) being akin to shooting cows in a field wouldn't it take the "sport" out of it to use such a weapon?

2) Concerned homeowners? - Your shotguns and handguns aren't enough? Untrained and frightened homeowners shooting guns at intruders in a potentially crowded neighborhood setting is already scary enough. Now you want something that can propel a single bullet through a body then through a wall then outside and down the street? There is no reason to have this much power for such close range use, especially when the nature of the weapon allows the ammunition to travel a great distance, whether it hits the initial target or not.

Also, has anyone noticed that homes (especially here in Athens) tend to get broken into quite frequently? If you have an AR-15 etc. laying around in your house then all of the sudden the thug down the street has it. I understand that the thug could steal your shotgun as well, but the damage that can be done with an assault rifle in the wrong hands is far greater.

Just because you interpret the constitution to give you a right doesn't mean that you should discount and avoid any further thought on the topic and take it to its absolute extreme. Rational beings weigh the pros and cons of an idea before making a decision. If you sit down and really think about this what are the pros and how important are they in light of the cons?

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because everyone who owns a gun has no common sense, right?

You're projecting. Read it again.

kinda like you can't buy a clue that an ar-15 isn't an assault rifle?

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

literal definitions are needed, steven. otherwise you'll be on the warpath for ar-15's too, which you have been.

the ban on assault weapons is overreaching and will affect semi-auto firearms if some have their way.

[natty bumppo 297]

Who needs an assault rifle?

1) Hunters? - This "sport" is already largely asinine. As an avid hiker I walk up within 50 feet of deer on a regular basis and could easily shoot them with my Glock if I were so inclined and easily amused. With hunting (specifically deer hunting) being akin to shooting cows in a field wouldn't it take the "sport" out of it to use such a weapon?

2) Concerned homeowners? - Your shotguns and handguns aren't enough? Untrained and frightened homeowners shooting guns at intruders in a potentially crowded neighborhood setting is already scary enough. Now you want something that can propel a single bullet through a body then through a wall then outside and down the street? There is no reason to have this much power for such close range use, especially when the nature of the weapon allows the ammunition to travel a great distance, whether it hits the initial target or not.

Also, has anyone noticed that homes (especially here in Athens) tend to get broken into quite frequently? If you have an AR-15 etc. laying around in your house then all of the sudden the thug down the street has it. I understand that the thug could steal your shotgun as well, but the damage that can be done with an assault rifle in the wrong hands is far greater.

Just because you interpret the constitution to give you a right doesn't mean that you should discount and avoid any further thought on the topic and take it to its absolute extreme. Rational beings weigh the pros and cons of an idea before making a decision. If you sit down and really think about this what are the pros and how important are they in light of the cons?

http://onlineathens.com/stories/030309/let_400322300.shtml

because everyone who owns a gun has no common sense, right?

You're projecting. Read it again.

kinda like you can't buy a clue that an ar-15 isn't an assault rifle?

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

yet you post a definition of an "assault rifle" in a different thread that disagrees with you here

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Now that's settled - combat shotguns and M134s all around!

I like the idea of the car with the machine gun turret - it will make for some interesting shopping trips at the weekend.

[fozzie 41]

Who needs an assault rifle?

1) Hunters? - This "sport" is already largely asinine. As an avid hiker I walk up within 50 feet of deer on a regular basis and could easily shoot them with my Glock if I were so inclined and easily amused. With hunting (specifically deer hunting) being akin to shooting cows in a field wouldn't it take the "sport" out of it to use such a weapon?

2) Concerned homeowners? - Your shotguns and handguns aren't enough? Untrained and frightened homeowners shooting guns at intruders in a potentially crowded neighborhood setting is already scary enough. Now you want something that can propel a single bullet through a body then through a wall then outside and down the street? There is no reason to have this much power for such close range use, especially when the nature of the weapon allows the ammunition to travel a great distance, whether it hits the initial target or not.

Also, has anyone noticed that homes (especially here in Athens) tend to get broken into quite frequently? If you have an AR-15 etc. laying around in your house then all of the sudden the thug down the street has it. I understand that the thug could steal your shotgun as well, but the damage that can be done with an assault rifle in the wrong hands is far greater.

Just because you interpret the constitution to give you a right doesn't mean that you should discount and avoid any further thought on the topic and take it to its absolute extreme. Rational beings weigh the pros and cons of an idea before making a decision. If you sit down and really think about this what are the pros and how important are they in light of the cons?

http://onlineathens.com/stories/030309/let_400322300.shtml

because everyone who owns a gun has no common sense, right?

You're projecting. Read it again.

kinda like you can't buy a clue that an ar-15 isn't an assault rifle?

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

yet you post a definition of an "assault rifle" in a different thread that disagrees with you here

It's semantics. The principle of banning unecessary firepower is the issue, not what is or isn't an assault rifle.

I have seen footage of some dumb rednecks with a floor mounted, seated, swivelling f**cking canon! Why? Possums?

[natty bumppo 297]

Who needs an assault rifle?

1) Hunters? - This "sport" is already largely asinine. As an avid hiker I walk up within 50 feet of deer on a regular basis and could easily shoot them with my Glock if I were so inclined and easily amused. With hunting (specifically deer hunting) being akin to shooting cows in a field wouldn't it take the "sport" out of it to use such a weapon?

2) Concerned homeowners? - Your shotguns and handguns aren't enough? Untrained and frightened homeowners shooting guns at intruders in a potentially crowded neighborhood setting is already scary enough. Now you want something that can propel a single bullet through a body then through a wall then outside and down the street? There is no reason to have this much power for such close range use, especially when the nature of the weapon allows the ammunition to travel a great distance, whether it hits the initial target or not.

Also, has anyone noticed that homes (especially here in Athens) tend to get broken into quite frequently? If you have an AR-15 etc. laying around in your house then all of the sudden the thug down the street has it. I understand that the thug could steal your shotgun as well, but the damage that can be done with an assault rifle in the wrong hands is far greater.

Just because you interpret the constitution to give you a right doesn't mean that you should discount and avoid any further thought on the topic and take it to its absolute extreme. Rational beings weigh the pros and cons of an idea before making a decision. If you sit down and really think about this what are the pros and how important are they in light of the cons?

http://onlineathens.com/stories/030309/let_400322300.shtml

because everyone who owns a gun has no common sense, right?

You're projecting. Read it again.

kinda like you can't buy a clue that an ar-15 isn't an assault rifle?

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

yet you post a definition of an "assault rifle" in a different thread that disagrees with you here

It's semantics. The principle of banning unecessary firepower is the issue, not what is or isn't an assault rifle.

I have seen footage of some dumb rednecks with a floor mounted, seated, swivelling f**cking canon! Why? Possums?

stereotype much?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who needs an assault rifle?

1) Hunters? - This "sport" is already largely asinine. As an avid hiker I walk up within 50 feet of deer on a regular basis and could easily shoot them with my Glock if I were so inclined and easily amused. With hunting (specifically deer hunting) being akin to shooting cows in a field wouldn't it take the "sport" out of it to use such a weapon?

2) Concerned homeowners? - Your shotguns and handguns aren't enough? Untrained and frightened homeowners shooting guns at intruders in a potentially crowded neighborhood setting is already scary enough. Now you want something that can propel a single bullet through a body then through a wall then outside and down the street? There is no reason to have this much power for such close range use, especially when the nature of the weapon allows the ammunition to travel a great distance, whether it hits the initial target or not.

Also, has anyone noticed that homes (especially here in Athens) tend to get broken into quite frequently? If you have an AR-15 etc. laying around in your house then all of the sudden the thug down the street has it. I understand that the thug could steal your shotgun as well, but the damage that can be done with an assault rifle in the wrong hands is far greater.

Just because you interpret the constitution to give you a right doesn't mean that you should discount and avoid any further thought on the topic and take it to its absolute extreme. Rational beings weigh the pros and cons of an idea before making a decision. If you sit down and really think about this what are the pros and how important are they in light of the cons?

http://onlineathens.com/stories/030309/let_400322300.shtml

because everyone who owns a gun has no common sense, right?

You're projecting. Read it again.

kinda like you can't buy a clue that an ar-15 isn't an assault rifle?

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

yet you post a definition of an "assault rifle" in a different thread that disagrees with you here

It's semantics. The principle of banning unecessary firepower is the issue, not what is or isn't an assault rifle.

I have seen footage of some dumb rednecks with a floor mounted, seated, swivelling f**cking canon! Why? Possums?

Nonsense - we all need jeep mounted machine guns in order to hunt deer and wild rabbits. Tis absolutely essential I tell you.

Few grenade launchers wouldn't go amiss either.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

literal definitions are needed, steven. otherwise you'll be on the warpath for ar-15's too, which you have been.

the ban on assault weapons is overreaching and will affect semi-auto firearms if some have their way.

An AR-15 was designed specifically for combat, not hunting and can be modified to full auto....can fire 800 rounds per minute when fully automatic.

It also can carry 30 to 40 rounds, right? Who needs that for hunting?

Now, why is it so difficult to see the potential danger for police and ordinary citizens if some crazed person had a hold of a fully auto AR-15?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How hard can it be to come up with a standard as to what types of guns are suitable for home defence or hunting. Surely all someone needs to do is identify certain models, features and calibres that should not be sold to the public...

Edited March 24, 2009 by Private Pike

[natty bumppo 297]

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

literal definitions are needed, steven. otherwise you'll be on the warpath for ar-15's too, which you have been.

the ban on assault weapons is overreaching and will affect semi-auto firearms if some have their way.

An AR-15 was designed specifically for combat, not hunting and can be modified to full auto....can fire 800 rounds per minute when fully automatic.

It also can carry 30 to 40 rounds, right? Who needs that for hunting?

Now, why is it so difficult to see the potential danger for police and ordinary citizens if some crazed person had a hold of a fully auto AR-15?

M-16 is combat ... not the AR-15 it's a semi-auto civilian version

800 rounds per minute? is this belt fed? cause you gotta reload sometime (800 rounds/30 per mag = 26 magazine changes in 1 minute)

modification to full auto? against the law. so another law is required to make it more illegal? that is ... if you can get the parts to convert.

Edited March 24, 2009 by Natty Bumppo

[Ban Hammer 13,355]

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

literal definitions are needed, steven. otherwise you'll be on the warpath for ar-15's too, which you have been.

the ban on assault weapons is overreaching and will affect semi-auto firearms if some have their way.

An AR-15 was designed specifically for combat, not hunting and can be modified to full auto....can fire 800 rounds per minute when fully automatic.

It also can carry 30 to 40 rounds, right? Who needs that for hunting?

Now, why is it so difficult to see the potential danger for police and ordinary citizens if some crazed person had a hold of a fully auto AR-15?

you're shooting yourself in the foot there, with that sentence. care to try again?

we're talking about assault weapons, we've discussed the definition of it and it's not an ar-15.

[HAL 9000 96]

Who needs an assault rifle?

1) Hunters? - This "sport" is already largely asinine. As an avid hiker I walk up within 50 feet of deer on a regular basis and could easily shoot them with my Glock if I were so inclined and easily amused. With hunting (specifically deer hunting) being akin to shooting cows in a field wouldn't it take the "sport" out of it to use such a weapon?

2) Concerned homeowners? - Your shotguns and handguns aren't enough? Untrained and frightened homeowners shooting guns at intruders in a potentially crowded neighborhood setting is already scary enough. Now you want something that can propel a single bullet through a body then through a wall then outside and down the street? There is no reason to have this much power for such close range use, especially when the nature of the weapon allows the ammunition to travel a great distance, whether it hits the initial target or not.

Also, has anyone noticed that homes (especially here in Athens) tend to get broken into quite frequently? If you have an AR-15 etc. laying around in your house then all of the sudden the thug down the street has it. I understand that the thug could steal your shotgun as well, but the damage that can be done with an assault rifle in the wrong hands is far greater.

Just because you interpret the constitution to give you a right doesn't mean that you should discount and avoid any further thought on the topic and take it to its absolute extreme. Rational beings weigh the pros and cons of an idea before making a decision. If you sit down and really think about this what are the pros and how important are they in light of the cons?

http://onlineathens.com/stories/030309/let_400322300.shtml

There's a lot of knowledge in this thread about the intricacies of firing rate, caliber, etc.

The sensical rationale is- can a weapon mow down a roomful/range of people in less time that it takes you to load/fire/reload a single-firing weapon? These are the weapons that need to be controlled.

Any 'ban' IMO needs to be done at the manufacture level. The rest is law enforcement enforcing laws designed to target illegal ownership.

[HAL 9000 96]

yea because drug cartel people are gonna raid your houses.. as if you were in their interests..

please.. be more real about it.. yea I need a fukcin smg just in case the drug dealers raid my house.. same dumb argument as after 9/11 'we have buildings in our town dem terrorists would like to blow, like our walmart'

so now we've graduated from talking about assault rifles to smg's. neat! what's next, large caliber machine guns?

Who needs an assault rifle?

1) Hunters? - This "sport" is already largely asinine. As an avid hiker I walk up within 50 feet of deer on a regular basis and could easily shoot them with my Glock if I were so inclined and easily amused. With hunting (specifically deer hunting) being akin to shooting cows in a field wouldn't it take the "sport" out of it to use such a weapon?

because everyone who owns a gun has no common sense, right?

guess somebody spends a lot of time in populated areas ... for deer co-mingling with people ... cause these deer apparently are accustomed to people and have no fear of man.

Ask Matt Lauer. Didn't he just get rammed by a deer while on his bike? God knows he could have avoided this insult by splattering its guts all over the road.

Who needs an assault rifle?

1) Hunters? - This "sport" is already largely asinine. As an avid hiker I walk up within 50 feet of deer on a regular basis and could easily shoot them with my Glock if I were so inclined and easily amused. With hunting (specifically deer hunting) being akin to shooting cows in a field wouldn't it take the "sport" out of it to use such a weapon?

2) Concerned homeowners? - Your shotguns and handguns aren't enough? Untrained and frightened homeowners shooting guns at intruders in a potentially crowded neighborhood setting is already scary enough. Now you want something that can propel a single bullet through a body then through a wall then outside and down the street? There is no reason to have this much power for such close range use, especially when the nature of the weapon allows the ammunition to travel a great distance, whether it hits the initial target or not.

Also, has anyone noticed that homes (especially here in Athens) tend to get broken into quite frequently? If you have an AR-15 etc. laying around in your house then all of the sudden the thug down the street has it. I understand that the thug could steal your shotgun as well, but the damage that can be done with an assault rifle in the wrong hands is far greater.

Just because you interpret the constitution to give you a right doesn't mean that you should discount and avoid any further thought on the topic and take it to its absolute extreme. Rational beings weigh the pros and cons of an idea before making a decision. If you sit down and really think about this what are the pros and how important are they in light of the cons?

http://onlineathens.com/stories/030309/let_400322300.shtml

because everyone who owns a gun has no common sense, right?

You're projecting. Read it again.

kinda like you can't buy a clue that an ar-15 isn't an assault rifle?

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

literal definitions are needed, steven. otherwise you'll be on the warpath for ar-15's too, which you have been.

the ban on assault weapons is overreaching and will affect semi-auto firearms if some have their way.

Are AR-15s used by criminals in shootouts? Just curious.

[fozzie 41]

Who needs an assault rifle?

1) Hunters? - This "sport" is already largely asinine. As an avid hiker I walk up within 50 feet of deer on a regular basis and could easily shoot them with my Glock if I were so inclined and easily amused. With hunting (specifically deer hunting) being akin to shooting cows in a field wouldn't it take the "sport" out of it to use such a weapon?

2) Concerned homeowners? - Your shotguns and handguns aren't enough? Untrained and frightened homeowners shooting guns at intruders in a potentially crowded neighborhood setting is already scary enough. Now you want something that can propel a single bullet through a body then through a wall then outside and down the street? There is no reason to have this much power for such close range use, especially when the nature of the weapon allows the ammunition to travel a great distance, whether it hits the initial target or not.

Also, has anyone noticed that homes (especially here in Athens) tend to get broken into quite frequently? If you have an AR-15 etc. laying around in your house then all of the sudden the thug down the street has it. I understand that the thug could steal your shotgun as well, but the damage that can be done with an assault rifle in the wrong hands is far greater.

Just because you interpret the constitution to give you a right doesn't mean that you should discount and avoid any further thought on the topic and take it to its absolute extreme. Rational beings weigh the pros and cons of an idea before making a decision. If you sit down and really think about this what are the pros and how important are they in light of the cons?

http://onlineathens.com/stories/030309/let_400322300.shtml

because everyone who owns a gun has no common sense, right?

You're projecting. Read it again.

kinda like you can't buy a clue that an ar-15 isn't an assault rifle?

Oh come on, Charles. You're getting tripped up over literal definitions of what is or isn't. The point of a ban on assault weapons is to remove from the street, guns that were designed for combat. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound. Your points are simply parroting what the gun lobby says.

yet you post a definition of an "assault rifle" in a different thread that disagrees with you here

It's semantics. The principle of banning unecessary firepower is the issue, not what is or isn't an assault rifle.

I have seen footage of some dumb rednecks with a floor mounted, seated, swivelling f**cking canon! Why? Possums?

stereotype much?

Frequently...there aint smoke without fire!

Trust me these guys were dumb and they were definitely rednecks. It wasn't a stereo type as such, just an observation of a certain demographic partaking in activities they are know to have a penchant for. If I was stereotyping I would have left out the dumb because we all know rednecks are dumb anyway.

[Peikko 1,575]

It's pointless trying to discuss restricting gun ownership with gun fanatics. If you have a gun, they think you are the bees knees, no matter how insane you are, if you don't you are necessarily an idiot.

There are of course some very reasonable gun owners around. Hard to find them because they don't talk about their guns very much

[HAL 9000 96]

Defending Freedom from ourselves. No. This is not a fat joke.