Can my usa citizen fiancee live with me in England during K1 process

[*julez* 124]

Moving this thread to the UK sub-forum for more specific advice from UK K-1 folks who have successfully self-sponsored. I know of more than one that has been successful.

Also, if your fiancee has 3 children, the household size will be 5, not 4. If you are self-sponsoring, that means you will need assets of $110,736 (5 people in household at 125% poverty level = $32,237; multiply this times 3 for using assets as sponsorship = $110,736). London has in the past been a little lenient on requiring exactly the 125%, but it has been done. If you have a joint sponsor, remember they will not need to count your fiancee and her children unless they are also part of their household. For example, if the joint sponsor was unmarried and lived alone, they would need only make enough to sponsor two people.

And by the way, Gary and Alla, British women ROCK!

Um, well, so do American women, for that matter.

[paul p 0]

Brilliant info Marina-Del. Really apprecaite.

So this affidavit, the I-864, is this required when you first process the I129-F or is it at a later stage. Can i fill in the information now with the G-325A or can it wait?

Also, when do you tell the process about my money and my job. Do i put it in as part of the I129-F or do i wait for my interview.

I do understand that the forum is not 100% sure if i can be my own sponsor but any information from your own experiences will help.

Thanks again and im gald that you got the love you unboutably deserved

Sorry, pardon my ignorance. I have seen that the affadavit form is sent after the NOA2. So the only question is, when did your fiance provide his financial information into the process

No worries. Okay, as you have stated, yes, the affidavit is presented at the interview, not during the initial I-129F (uscis) stage! If I am remembering correctly, we brought the affidavit to the interview when we went and did not send it prior (other more recent Londoners correct me here if I am wrong!). However, I do remember that we did not show them any documents regarding my fiancees finances until THE INTERVIEW. Not before. And again, I had the co sponsor/letter from my sponsor in the bag with me when we went to the interview, but before we had a chance to ask him if he wanted to see it, they said all of our fiances were in order.

There is no need to put any mention of money in the initial packet...just the information that they ask for. You can find some great information on this forum about what types of things you should include in the packet!

You have also said that you think now it would be better for your fiancee to say in the US so that she can make a bit more money. This is, obviously, entirely up to you two!! However, being the romantic that I am (I HATE BEING APART FROM MY SO!), I would tell you not to be discouraged. Your fiancee and you need to show that you have sufficient funds. Many many people do this by using a co-sponsor and this is NOT an issue! Don't be discouraged. Yes, it is maybe more responsible for her to stay in the US and make money for your future....but that's just a decision you have to make! Then again, I don't know your situation -ie. if you have a co-sponsor available. In my case, we were able to use my parents (who don't make that much money, but enough over the poverty line!). But again, they didn't even look at my parents forms, so they didn't even know this! Point being, if you have a co-sponsor who is willing to sign the forms to support you, if needed....then I wouldn't worry about the USC coming to stay with you in the US.

Although, here is another thing to think about. Did you say that she has 3 kids??? This might cause more problems. If she has 3 kids to support and doesn't have the money to support them, they might think twice about adding another person into the picture. It sounds like my fiance was making about the same amount you are making and had about the same amount of money saved...BUT we were just the two of us!

Hope this helps!

Thanks for this. I really appreciate your full and open comments. I find it ironic that she will be better off when i am there, than before but the U.S. may see that another way. I think i need to contact the embassy to find out. I think we could probably get around this. Its a monor hurdle.

Yep, i would love her to have her with me but with kids etc. there is a bit to weigh up. However, a delayt now to spend the rest of our lives together is worth it. I have done 11 months, what is another 8. I am on th ehomeward trek :0). THanks again

[paul p 0]

I am not awatre that London did this. If it is so, then belay my last.

PS, lived in Henley-on-Thames 1993-97. Great place, lots of fun. Ukrainian women are better.

Yep! London does this!

As I said, back in 2006, when me and my fiance were trying to get all of our documents in order we ran into the same wall! Half of VJ told us that it wouldn't work because they only look at the USC money (which in most cases is true!) and the other half (who had gone through London) told us that London was one of the few places that they took into account the funds of the non USC. I think we actually found information regarding this on the US embassy website for London -at the time.

I think that they do this because, at least before the world economy went to hell, the British pound was worth LOTS more than the American dollar. For example, back in 2006, it was over 1 GBP to 2.20USD. That was a great exchange rate!! So my fiance making 30 pounds an hour was really making over $60! But that doesn't work in a place like Brazil (where I live now). The minimum monthly wage in Brazil (São Paulo) is R$420.00 (brazilian reais) or roughly $200.00USD. Obviously, that's not a lot of money for Americans! (okay, this stat is slightly incorrect because even though that is the official minimum wage, it's definitely NOT a living wage!).

Anyway, you get the point, I hope! London used to be a pretty rich place...but not as much these days! I'd call the embassy and see what they say!

Thanks again, its looks like you are right. For London. I dont know if they have changed and will need to find out. It seems like Brazillian Woman rock too

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Moving this thread to the UK sub-forum for more specific advice from UK K-1 folks who have successfully self-sponsored. I know of more than one that has been successful.

Also, if your fiancee has 3 children, the household size will be 5, not 4. If you are self-sponsoring, that means you will need assets of $110,736 (5 people in household at 125% poverty level = $32,237; multiply this times 3 for using assets as sponsorship = $110,736). London has in the past been a little lenient on requiring exactly the 125%, but it has been done. If you have a joint sponsor, remember they will not need to count your fiancee and her children unless they are also part of their household. For example, if the joint sponsor was unmarried and lived alone, they would need only make enough to sponsor two people.

And by the way, Gary and Alla, British women ROCK!

Um, well, so do American women, for that matter.

Duh, well, that's a given, Julez as we are amongst them.

[paul p 0]

Moving this thread to the UK sub-forum for more specific advice from UK K-1 folks who have successfully self-sponsored. I know of more than one that has been successful.

Also, if your fiancee has 3 children, the household size will be 5, not 4. If you are self-sponsoring, that means you will need assets of $110,736 (5 people in household at 125% poverty level = $32,237; multiply this times 3 for using assets as sponsorship = $110,736). London has in the past been a little lenient on requiring exactly the 125%, but it has been done. If you have a joint sponsor, remember they will not need to count your fiancee and her children unless they are also part of their household. For example, if the joint sponsor was unmarried and lived alone, they would need only make enough to sponsor two people.

And by the way, Gary and Alla, British women ROCK!

Um, well, so do American women, for that matter.

Well being a British man, and living with british woman but marrying an American Lady, all i can say is that i can confidently say that both British and American woman rock in both there unique ways

Can i now get off this fence as the splinters are really chaffing my #######

[paul p 0]

Moving this thread to the UK sub-forum for more specific advice from UK K-1 folks who have successfully self-sponsored. I know of more than one that has been successful.

Also, if your fiancee has 3 children, the household size will be 5, not 4. If you are self-sponsoring, that means you will need assets of $110,736 (5 people in household at 125% poverty level = $32,237; multiply this times 3 for using assets as sponsorship = $110,736). London has in the past been a little lenient on requiring exactly the 125%, but it has been done. If you have a joint sponsor, remember they will not need to count your fiancee and her children unless they are also part of their household. For example, if the joint sponsor was unmarried and lived alone, they would need only make enough to sponsor two people.

And by the way, Gary and Alla, British women ROCK!

So let me get this right.

Even my fiancee has to show she earns $32,237 a year, or get a co-sponsor who takes her above that

or i need $110K in the bank to show the embassy that we will be ok? I assume that negative equity assets like houses wont go against me (darn credit crunch - what a time to fallinlove with a foreigner )

P.S. No idea there was a UK forum and even less idea how to transfer. This is my first thread (and what a great experience it has been)

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Three ways of slicing this pie:

1) Your fiancee makes and can demonstrates she earns $32,327 p.a.; or

2) Your fiancee does not make $32,327 p.a. BUT you have a joint sponsor who makes and can demonstrate he/she earns enough to sponsor you and support everyone in his her household (so if the sponsor is married and has 1 kid, he/she would have to make enough to sponsor 4 people; if he lives alone and is unmarried it would only have to be enough for 2 people, etc.); or

3) You self-sponsor and are able to show you have around $110k in the bank and in assets (although London does allow some flexibility here).

Negative equity will not count against you; you need not disclose anything that is not working towards the assets.

And yes, there is a very active UK sub-forum here, so welcome! Moving threads is something organizers and moderators can do only, so don't worry that you didn't know how to move it.

[Talyss 0]

One issue that has not been addressed is entry to the UK. Your fiancee may want to look into getting her visa for UK entry in advance because coming for 6 months with all her stuff may get her turned back at the airport if she's trying to come in on the tourist visa that you complete on the plane. This happened to a friend of mines fiancee who was coming to stay with him for the 6 months, only took her a week or 2 to get the right visa but they had all that extra expense for flights.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Yep - people who are coming for 6 months as a tourist will very likely get extra scrutiny at immigration