Police gunning to equal criminals' firepower with assault rifles

[natty bumppo 297]

you really should read up on Title II firearms ... NFA, FOPA, etc ... cause you really are showing your ignorance

Yes and even as a foreigner I too could probably own a high powered weapon. I am in Virginia after all. Guns are easier to get here than cigarettes. Is that not a joke?

I already own a sig, glock and F&H. Whereas in AUS even as a citizen I would be lucky if I could own an air riffle.

I think I have discussed this with Charles before. Really, what do you need a gun for outside your house. Come on... Do you think your going to pull some sort of John Wayne move. Not going to happen. The second some holds their own gun to you or your spouses head, they have got you. You try to move and your dead. That is the reality.

Plus the fact that a good portion of deaths involve kids blowing their heads off or domestic abuse. I love my guuuuuuuuns just as much as the next guy but I am not going to sit here and pretend they make society safer. Trust me, your average Aussie (redneck) would crush the yank equivalent. They're freakin convicts after all. Exiled to death where not even the queen's army could kill these bastards. Just the other day bickie gangs had a brawl with one dead at Sydney's airport. The fact still stands that gun restrictions have dramatically reduced the number of homicides there. Fully automatics and a good range of semis are banned, totally. Supply and demand. Not exactly a crop you can manufacture in your backyard or basement.

But as I also said, in this country without some major overhaul of the system / attitude/ etc I would never give up my gun. I would rather move to Australia than hand over my guns.

Sense of comfort? Charles, their job is to protect and serve the public. It's kind of defeating the purpose if we have police engaging in warfare on the streets. A ban on assault rifles is reasonable and proven effective.

While your a dh, I concur.

prove guns are easier than cigs ,, no proof you're simply are telling a story.

if you are an lpr ... and meet other criteria ,,, yes you can. and this is federal, not VA. I strongly suggest learning the law. it's easy to find and read. understanding ... can't help you there.

please post links supporting the rest of your "statements".

Edited March 24, 2009 by Natty Bumppo

[Heracles 417]

prove guns are easier than cigs ,, no proof you're simply are telling a story.

if you are an lpr ... and meet other criteria ,,, yes you can. and this is federal, not VA. I strongly suggest learning the law. it's easy to find and read. understanding ... can't help you there.

please post links supporting the rest of your "statements".

Regardless of the dam guns. I personally was able to purchase three handguns prior to even being approved for my AOS. All I needed to show was my drivers license and a check. 10 minutes later I was packing some serious fire power. The F&H for example holds 16 rounds and came with three magazines. Bought some nice hollow point 0.40 S&W bullets. That gun alone could take out a squadron.

Come on, you need some sort of restrictions. Getting rid of the DC gun ban for example was and is a bad mistake.

Edited March 24, 2009 by Constellation

[natty bumppo 297]

prove guns are easier than cigs ,, no proof you're simply are telling a story.

if you are an lpr ... and meet other criteria ,,, yes you can. and this is federal, not VA. I strongly suggest learning the law. it's easy to find and read. understanding ... can't help you there.

please post links supporting the rest of your "statements".

Regardless of the dam guns. I personally was able to purchase three handguns prior to even being approved for my AOS. All I needed to show was my drivers license and a check. 10 minutes later I was packing some serious fire power. The F&H for example holds 16 rounds and came with three magazines. Bought some nice hollow point 0.40 S&W bullets. That gun alone could take out a squadron.

Come on, you need some sort of restrictions. Getting rid of the DC gun ban for example was and is a bad mistake.

F&H?

From the VA State Police Website:

Does one have to have U.S. citizenship to be eligible to purchase a firearm?

A buyer who is not a citizen of the United States must have lawful alien status and must establish that he or she is a resident of a state by providing a valid photo identification and documentation such as a utility bill or lease agreement which would establish that he or she has resided in the state for at least 90 days prior to the date of the sale.

Congress has passed prohibitions that apply to "any alien in the United States in a non-immigrant status" with certain exceptions and a waiver process. Contact the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives if you have questions about these regulations.

Edited March 24, 2009 by Natty Bumppo

[Heracles 417]

F&H?

FNH

http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=269&...r=5&detail=

0.40 S&W version

[Heracles 417]

Now this is nice

http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=184&...r=1&detail=

F2000 Standard equipped with Grenade Launcher

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

How about leveling out the playing field and giving the police the same rights to shoot as the criminals have?

The second some attacks a cop or any government official, they should nullify and forfeit all of their rights. Teaching the criminals that every action ahs an 'equal' and opposite reaction.

My good mate Hal 9000 calls it "cause and effect".

Yup. The police are afraid to shoot.

[natty bumppo 297]

F&H?

FNH

http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=269&...r=5&detail=

0.40 S&W version

thanks ... question is are you aware of VA laws in regards to using the firearm ... in all situations? (btw: before you answer, I'm a former VA resident and have a good knowledge of VA laws)

if you meet the legal requirements ... you are permitted to purchase.

with that said ... I've got two little guys here who need attention cause it's bedtime.

[Ban Hammer 13,360]

a bullet is a component of a round. having 30 bullets won't do anyone any good.

having 30 rounds, on the other hand, would make a world of difference.

So you imagine a police officer working his beat carrying an AR-15 with him at all times?

it happens in turkey, albeit with a larger caliber automatic rifle.

You think that would make society safer?

do you think it makes society less safe?

It's armament escalation which ultimately leaves the public more vulnerable to harm. Why stop with AR-15's? Why not equip police cars with rocket launchers, perhaps a machine gun turret? Is that the kind of society you want to live in?

sure, it's armament escalation, but when police are armed with automatic firearms, do you really think criminals are going to be so gung ho to take them on?

i think the better question, rather than those last ones you asked, are why should police be undergunned to satisfy your sense of comfort?

Sense of comfort? Charles, their job is to protect and serve the public. It's kind of defeating the purpose if we have police engaging in warfare on the streets. A ban on assault rifles is reasonable and proven effective.

so if their job is to protect and to serve, why not allow them equal footing? a ban won't remove guns from the hands of criminals.

[HAL 9000 96]

As if criminals enjoyed some kind of special pedestal in society. Jeeez...

Police apprehension and engagement involves rules designed to enforce the law and protect the innocent. There's not much point to being a gunslinger if you can't tell the difference between an engaged target and an innocent caught in the crossfire.

Criminal fires = is engaged with deadly force. Simple as that.

[Danno 1,228]

Historically the police and civilian weapons have always been on par with each other.

I suppose we could find some rare case where someone has bombs or some rare weapon but

the typical police force is likely to encounter the same or lesser firepower.... just as it has always been.

Why the need to the "first line of defense" to lord over use with machine guns on a daily basis?

[justashooter 430]

Since 1993, the year before the ban took effect, the federal agency has recorded a more than sevenfold increase in assault guns -- including the original Russian-made AK-47 and a variety of copycats from around the world. The number of AK-type guns rose from 1,140 in 1993 to 8,547 last year.

Since 2005, the first full year after the ban's expiration, the ATFE has recorded an 11 percent increase in assault weapons.

The agency says the increases in the first half of the 1990s were partly the result of wider use of its weapons database by local law enforcement agencies.

what is really interesting is that the number of privately held AK47 type semi-automatic rifles has increased approximately 25 fold since 1993, while the number of hits on the databse has increased just 6 fold.

in 1993 your only options for an AK were Kassnar imported hungarian guns, a few egyptian examples, and chinese guns that were brought in before the klinton import ban of 1989. since 1993 bulgarian guns have been imported, with russian produced Saiga (similar), romanian produced guns of different designations, and masses of parts kits from over a dozen countries that have been re-built by comercial vendors and hobbyists across america. a conservative estimate puts the number of AK47 types in private hands in America at a little over 4 million.

[justashooter 430]

prove guns are easier than cigs ,, no proof you're simply are telling a story.

if you are an lpr ... and meet other criteria ,,, yes you can. and this is federal, not VA. I strongly suggest learning the law. it's easy to find and read. understanding ... can't help you there.

please post links supporting the rest of your "statements".

Regardless of the dam guns. I personally was able to purchase three handguns prior to even being approved for my AOS. All I needed to show was my drivers license and a check. 10 minutes later I was packing some serious fire power. The F&H for example holds 16 rounds and came with three magazines. Bought some nice hollow point 0.40 S&W bullets. That gun alone could take out a squadron.

Come on, you need some sort of restrictions. Getting rid of the DC gun ban for example was and is a bad mistake.

if this is the case, then you have committed multiple felonies( if you filled out an ATF 4473 form), or were buying long guns from a private purchaser who failed to assure due dilligence.