Lovelle Mixon: Oakland Police Shooter Kills 4 Cops

[Peikko 1,575]

Having looked 'ol Ed up, I can totally see how Justashooter thinks his prowess with a gun is relevant to this shooting incident. Mind you, he has a jaundiced view of cops, so I expect all his different preconceptions are in revolt at this time and so that's about as good a post as he can muster.

[justashooter 430]

We'll find out more about this in the weeks ahead, but Charles, I seriously doubt he was able to hit 2 SWAT members with a shot to the head. Also, that assault rifle may have been modified to be fully automatic. I'll be interested to see how he obtained the weapon.

conversion kits for just about any semi auto rifle can be bought off the internet for around $40.

Go figure.

Since there is really little that can be done to curb a jerk's attitude as an adult without the luxury of an educational and social structure that prevents these kinds of downward turns in behavior- the best possible way of preventing the deadly guns end up in the wrong hands is to control the flow of guns all the way from their manufacture.

OK, I gotta answer that one.

Smoke,

yer full of ######. Conversion kits to turn any semi-automatic rifle into a select fire cannot be bought off the internet for $40. Converting a semi rifle into a select fire requires tools, knowledge, and parts that YOU cannot buy. Sure, I have them, but I've been building guns for 15 years, and no, i ain't sharing.

Hal,

The flow of guns is already controlled directly from the manufacturer. Serialised tracking is avaiable all the way down to the point of retail sale, and in most states, 2nd hand sale. Keeping a felon from stealing one is a harder thing to do.

The best way to prevent little jerks from becoming big ones is to slap them hard when they're young, so they remember when they're older. The 4 time loser in the story we're discussing has been let loose one too many times by a liberal judge and parole board. he's a criminal, and nothign you do short of locking him up is gonna stop him from being a criminal. 80% of violent crimes are comitted by repeat offenders. Enuf said.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Having looked 'ol Ed up, I can totally see how Justashooter thinks his prowess with a gun is relevant to this shooting incident. Mind you, he has a jaundiced view of cops, so I expect all his different preconceptions are in revolt at this time and so that's about as good a post as he can muster.

Its crazy the lengths people will go to to avoid addressing something that seems self-evident.

[Kang Lang 7]

what a tragedy for our local community. regardless of circumstances 4 people have lost their lives (i could care less about the criminal and it's a shame that his photo appears first and is larger than that of the officers. the 4th officer is expected to be taken off life support after his organs are harvested to save the lives of others) i have 2 close relatives who are oakland police officers one a cop for 10+years and his younger brother for 1 year and they are shaken to the core over their fallen colleagues.

[justashooter 430]

Having looked 'ol Ed up, I can totally see how Justashooter thinks his prowess with a gun is relevant to this shooting incident. Mind you, he has a jaundiced view of cops, so I expect all his different preconceptions are in revolt at this time and so that's about as good a post as he can muster.

Ed Mcgivern was a cop. He taught the FBI to shoot. He was the fastest revolver shot in history, and could hit a playing card at 7 paces five times in about 1.5 seconds. My reply invoking his name was in rebuke of an idiotic comment someone else made disparaging the lethality of a revolver.

[HAL 9000 96]

We'll find out more about this in the weeks ahead, but Charles, I seriously doubt he was able to hit 2 SWAT members with a shot to the head. Also, that assault rifle may have been modified to be fully automatic. I'll be interested to see how he obtained the weapon.

conversion kits for just about any semi auto rifle can be bought off the internet for around $40.

Go figure.

Since there is really little that can be done to curb a jerk's attitude as an adult without the luxury of an educational and social structure that prevents these kinds of downward turns in behavior- the best possible way of preventing the deadly guns end up in the wrong hands is to control the flow of guns all the way from their manufacture.

OK, I gotta answer that one.

Smoke,

yer full of ######. Conversion kits to turn any semi-automatic rifle into a select fire cannot be bought off the internet for $40. Converting a semi rifle into a select fire requires tools, knowledge, and parts that YOU cannot buy. Sure, I have them, but I've been building guns for 15 years, and no, i ain't sharing.

Hal,

The flow of guns is already controlled directly from the manufacturer. Serialised tracking is avaiable all the way down to the point of retail sale, and in most states, 2nd hand sale. Keeping a felon from stealing one is a harder thing to do.

The best way to prevent little jerks from becoming big ones is to slap them hard when they're young, so they remember when they're older. The 4 time loser in the story we're discussing has been let loose one too many times by a liberal judge and parole board. he's a criminal, and nothign you do short of locking him up is gonna stop him from being a criminal. 80% of violent crimes are comitted by repeat offenders. Enuf said.

You may have 'expertise' but so do others with as much internet bravado and 'less scruples.'

Control at the manufacture level means manufacturing for legitimate consumers that need such weapons- law enforcement and certifiably clean civilians. Limiting production. Databasing those tracking events so that every legal change gets automatically updated without much human manpower waste.

As for prevention of human behavior its easy- get 'em while young. That involves preventive education and proper punishment. Politicizing this particular case or any other along the lines of liberal or conservative is just plain stupid and idiotic as most of your posts tend to be.

[Peikko 1,575]

We'll find out more about this in the weeks ahead, but Charles, I seriously doubt he was able to hit 2 SWAT members with a shot to the head. Also, that assault rifle may have been modified to be fully automatic. I'll be interested to see how he obtained the weapon.

conversion kits for just about any semi auto rifle can be bought off the internet for around $40.

Go figure.

Since there is really little that can be done to curb a jerk's attitude as an adult without the luxury of an educational and social structure that prevents these kinds of downward turns in behavior- the best possible way of preventing the deadly guns end up in the wrong hands is to control the flow of guns all the way from their manufacture.

OK, I gotta answer that one.

Smoke,

yer full of ######. Conversion kits to turn any semi-automatic rifle into a select fire cannot be bought off the internet for $40. Converting a semi rifle into a select fire requires tools, knowledge, and parts that YOU cannot buy. Sure, I have them, but I've been building guns for 15 years, and no, i ain't sharing.

Hal,

The flow of guns is already controlled directly from the manufacturer. Serialised tracking is avaiable all the way down to the point of retail sale, and in most states, 2nd hand sale. Keeping a felon from stealing one is a harder thing to do.

The best way to prevent little jerks from becoming big ones is to slap them hard when they're young, so they remember when they're older. The 4 time loser in the story we're discussing has been let loose one too many times by a liberal judge and parole board. he's a criminal, and nothign you do short of locking him up is gonna stop him from being a criminal. 80% of violent crimes are comitted by repeat offenders. Enuf said.

Here's a quickie for you. What distinguishes the US from the rest of the world? (I know you don't believe there are any other countries were citizens enjoy the rights they do in the US, so let's lump it all in together and have US versus the rest)

[Peikko 1,575]

Having looked 'ol Ed up, I can totally see how Justashooter thinks his prowess with a gun is relevant to this shooting incident. Mind you, he has a jaundiced view of cops, so I expect all his different preconceptions are in revolt at this time and so that's about as good a post as he can muster.

Ed Mcgivern was a cop. He taught the FBI to shoot. He was the fastest revolver shot in history, and could hit a playing card at 7 paces five times in about 1.5 seconds. My reply invoking his name was in rebuke of an idiotic comment someone else made disparaging the lethality of a revolver.

Er, no the comment was that 'unless they were an expert shot'. There is no proof that this guy was nor that it was even remotely likely that he was.

[justashooter 430]

Just as a bump- it is indeed a curious fact that the US gun industry is the principal supplier of Mexico's drug cartel weaponry, so balancing sensible gun control from the manufacture point of view in the US not only allows US law enforcement to apply its manpower to combat the present inventory of gun violence in this country- but it will at reduce the flow of weapons going South. Thereby making the border zone less deadly.

just a bump, an idiot computer spits out data that a thinking person puts in. trouble is when thinking people lie and deceive to advance their agenda.

American gunshows are not the source of the drug cartel guns. why in hell would the drug cartels buy $900-$1500 semi-automatic AR15 and smuggle them over the border when they can buy automatic M16 direct from columbia for $50 each? same deal on AK-47 from venezuela, at a slightly higher price.

Latest intel from the border indicates that chinese manufactured AK are the gun of choice, and that chinese hand grenades are on scene. M16 left over from panama, nicaragua, and columbia are second choice. uncle sam gave those m16 to tin pot dictators in the 70's and 80's, so i guess you could say the cartel guns are American, but that would be misleading.

[SMOKE 1,426]

We'll find out more about this in the weeks ahead, but Charles, I seriously doubt he was able to hit 2 SWAT members with a shot to the head. Also, that assault rifle may have been modified to be fully automatic. I'll be interested to see how he obtained the weapon.

conversion kits for just about any semi auto rifle can be bought off the internet for around $40.

Go figure.

Since there is really little that can be done to curb a jerk's attitude as an adult without the luxury of an educational and social structure that prevents these kinds of downward turns in behavior- the best possible way of preventing the deadly guns end up in the wrong hands is to control the flow of guns all the way from their manufacture.

OK, I gotta answer that one.

Smoke,

yer full of ######. Conversion kits to turn any semi-automatic rifle into a select fire cannot be bought off the internet for $40. Converting a semi rifle into a select fire requires tools, knowledge, and parts that YOU cannot buy. Sure, I have them, but I've been building guns for 15 years, and no, i ain't sharing.

shooter,

you have sh!t for brains. i just looked one up for an AR-15..$35 + intl postage. tools needed - vise, drill, screw driver, small hammer, loctite & the ability to read.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Having looked 'ol Ed up, I can totally see how Justashooter thinks his prowess with a gun is relevant to this shooting incident. Mind you, he has a jaundiced view of cops, so I expect all his different preconceptions are in revolt at this time and so that's about as good a post as he can muster.

Ed Mcgivern was a cop. He taught the FBI to shoot. He was the fastest revolver shot in history, and could hit a playing card at 7 paces five times in about 1.5 seconds. My reply invoking his name was in rebuke of an idiotic comment someone else made disparaging the lethality of a revolver.

You mean me, of course.

I'm well aware that a revolver can kill - I'm just speculating whether someone armed with one can hold off a fully armed SWAT team to the point of killing 2 of them.

There's a number of differences between a revolver and the weapon the guy had that would seem to make the final outcome more likely - as I'm sure you're aware. I do find it interesting how gun aficionados would rather avoid that particular part of the discussion.

I could care less about the terminology to be honest.

Edited March 23, 2009 by Private Pike

[Ban Hammer 13,360]

We'll find out more about this in the weeks ahead, but Charles, I seriously doubt he was able to hit 2 SWAT members with a shot to the head. Also, that assault rifle may have been modified to be fully automatic. I'll be interested to see how he obtained the weapon.

conversion kits for just about any semi auto rifle can be bought off the internet for around $40.

Go figure.

Since there is really little that can be done to curb a jerk's attitude as an adult without the luxury of an educational and social structure that prevents these kinds of downward turns in behavior- the best possible way of preventing the deadly guns end up in the wrong hands is to control the flow of guns all the way from their manufacture.

OK, I gotta answer that one.

Smoke,

yer full of ######. Conversion kits to turn any semi-automatic rifle into a select fire cannot be bought off the internet for $40. Converting a semi rifle into a select fire requires tools, knowledge, and parts that YOU cannot buy. Sure, I have them, but I've been building guns for 15 years, and no, i ain't sharing.

shooter,

you have sh!t for brains. i just looked one up for an AR-15..$35 + intl postage. tools needed - vise, drill, screw driver, small hammer, loctite & the ability to read.

got a link?

[justashooter 430]

Control at the manufacture level means manufacturing for legitimate consumers that need such weapons- law enforcement and certifiably clean civilians. Limiting production. Databasing those tracking events so that every legal change gets automatically updated without much human manpower waste.

it's a good thing you don't decide who "needs" a gun.

[Ban Hammer 13,360]

.44 magnum. and yes, there are bigger bullets out there.

Left to right: 3 in 12 ga magnum shotgun shell (for comparison), size "AA" battery (for comparison), .454 Casull, .45 Winchester Magnum, .44 Remington Magnum, .357 Magnum, .38 Special, .45 ACP, .38 Super, 9 mm Luger, .32 ACP, .22 LR

[justashooter 430]

shooter,

you have sh!t for brains. i just looked one up for an AR-15..$35 + intl postage. tools needed - vise, drill, screw driver, small hammer, loctite & the ability to read.

you're prolly taling about the "hellfire", or the "tac-trigger". these are just recoil assist devices clamping onto the trigger guard that allow a person to "bump fire" more reliably. they do not convert a gun to "full auto", or even run reliably, for that matter. they look cool on the video, but don't work for most people. i can take a standard AK-47 semi-auto and make it rock and roll by bump firing at about 400 beats/minute without a hellfire.

research it a bit. you'll figure it out.