Lovelle Mixon: Oakland Police Shooter Kills 4 Cops

[HAL 9000 96]

Just as a bump- it is indeed a curious fact that the US gun industry is the principal supplier of Mexico's drug cartel weaponry, so balancing sensible gun control from the manufacture point of view in the US not only allows US law enforcement to apply its manpower to combat the present inventory of gun violence in this country- but it will at reduce the flow of weapons going South. Thereby making the border zone less deadly.

just a bump, an idiot computer spits out data that a thinking person puts in. trouble is when thinking people lie and deceive to advance their agenda.

American gunshows are not the source of the drug cartel guns. why in hell would the drug cartels buy $900-$1500 semi-automatic AR15 and smuggle them over the border when they can buy automatic M16 direct from columbia for $50 each? same deal on AK-47 from venezuela, at a slightly higher price.

Latest intel from the border indicates that chinese manufactured AK are the gun of choice, and that chinese hand grenades are on scene. M16 left over from panama, nicaragua, and columbia are second choice. uncle sam gave those m16 to tin pot dictators in the 70's and 80's, so i guess you could say the cartel guns are American, but that would be misleading.

Yeah that was a big bad comment ripe with inaccuracies- again. My AI is shaking to the core laughing at you. Again.

Link. 1.

Link. 2. (a hot one too!)

Link. 3. (you're really not hitting very well).

Conclusion... 3 years worth of articles citing more credible sources than you (ATF)... yeah... they must be wrong.

[SMOKE 1,426]

n/m you're an expert you don't need the link.

Edited March 23, 2009 by SMOKE

[HAL 9000 96]

Control at the manufacture level means manufacturing for legitimate consumers that need such weapons- law enforcement and certifiably clean civilians. Limiting production. Databasing those tracking events so that every legal change gets automatically updated without much human manpower waste.

it's a good thing you don't decide who "needs" a gun.

I don't need to make ludicrous comments to pass myself off like you do daily.

But I do wonder... what is so wrong with law enforcement and capable citizens being the only ones able to purchase assault rifles? Must be something wrong with my logic circuits.

.44 magnum. and yes, there are bigger bullets out there.

Left to right: 3 in 12 ga magnum shotgun shell (for comparison), size "AA" battery (for comparison), .454 Casull, .45 Winchester Magnum, .44 Remington Magnum, .357 Magnum, .38 Special, .45 ACP, .38 Super, 9 mm Luger, .32 ACP, .22 LR

You could do an AT&T commercial with those bullets.

[natty bumppo 297]

First 2 officers killed were on motorcycles, making a traffic stop. The second two(SWAT) were trying to get to the criminal in an apartment - not an easy place to approach.

So sad.

Absolutely.

...., now having 4 less police officers to protect and serve.

Police are to "protect"? Does this mean they are liable should somebody not be "protected" from a crime?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As Sam Beckett would say:

"Oh boy"

[natty bumppo 297]

I have considered a number of possibilities, even though doing so is merely conjecture. I am guessing, as I previously posted, that this person for whatever reason decided not be be arrested and avoided doing so at whatever the cost, whatever the cost was the death 4 police officers and himself. It is possible that he was 'lucky', a good shot and that he had more powerful weapons than are normally encountered in these situations. Guess what? I don't know the answer and neither do you.

possibility that he had more "powerful" weapons? more likely it was many officers vs one well motivated perp with equal firepower.

As Sam Beckett would say:

"Oh boy"

please show where the Police are required to "protect"? vs ... show up to fill out a report

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Please feel free to muddy the waters further.

Thanks to BY the bottom was obscured some pages back. Unfortunately we can only clean this particular water supply with the aid of a sewage treatment plant.

[natty bumppo 297]

Please feel free to muddy the waters further.

Thanks to BY the bottom was obscured some pages back. Unfortunately we can only clean this particular water supply with the aid of a sewage treatment plant.

another non answer .... nothing new here ... move along ...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nothing to answer.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

.44 magnum. and yes, there are bigger bullets out there.

Left to right: 3 in 12 ga magnum shotgun shell (for comparison), size "AA" battery (for comparison), .454 Casull, .45 Winchester Magnum, .44 Remington Magnum, .357 Magnum, .38 Special, .45 ACP, .38 Super, 9 mm Luger, .32 ACP, .22 LR

Apples to oranges. Assault rifles can fire off much faster and with more accuracy than high powered handgun and from a much farther distance.

Look, when the police are calling for assault rifle ban, then you know they have legitimate concerns for their safety as well that of citizens. It's really not that difficult to see the potential threat. And if you think any projectile weapon should be legal, why not allow missile launchers? Tanks? Reasonable regulations can and will be instituted...without any constitutional challenge. The gun lobby knows that which is why they focus their efforts on PR to scare citizens into thinking that the government wants to take away their guns. Pure fear mongering. In the meantime, police officers are dying.

[HAL 9000 96]

First 2 officers killed were on motorcycles, making a traffic stop. The second two(SWAT) were trying to get to the criminal in an apartment - not an easy place to approach.

So sad.

Absolutely.

...., now having 4 less police officers to protect and serve.

Police are to "protect"? Does this mean they are liable should somebody not be "protected" from a crime?

Well in that case would the cop be proven to have been sitting on his ####### while the crime was in commission? Doubt it brother Natty. Most cops I know aren't like that.

[Heracles 417]

I'm well aware that a revolver can kill - I'm just speculating whether someone armed with one can hold off a fully armed SWAT team to the point of killing 2 of them.

There's a number of differences between a revolver and the weapon the guy had that would seem to make the final outcome more likely - as I'm sure you're aware. I do find it interesting how gun aficionados would rather avoid that particular part of the discussion.

I could care less about the terminology to be honest.

Now how many times have you told others off for making an assumption or going on a "speculation". tsk tsk tsk.. Gold ol' six hypocrisy.

Once again the gun is irrelevant. If he didn't kill four he would have killed one or two. At the end of the day this person's intention was to kill a police officer rather than be arrested. There is no two ways to cut it.

[Peikko 1,575]

First 2 officers killed were on motorcycles, making a traffic stop. The second two(SWAT) were trying to get to the criminal in an apartment - not an easy place to approach.

So sad.

Absolutely.

...., now having 4 less police officers to protect and serve.

Police are to "protect"? Does this mean they are liable should somebody not be "protected" from a crime?

Which is presumably why, after the two traffic cops were killed by this guy, they decided that they had lost enough men and went on their way. Or perhaps SWAT are the 'revenge' team.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm well aware that a revolver can kill - I'm just speculating whether someone armed with one can hold off a fully armed SWAT team to the point of killing 2 of them.

There's a number of differences between a revolver and the weapon the guy had that would seem to make the final outcome more likely - as I'm sure you're aware. I do find it interesting how gun aficionados would rather avoid that particular part of the discussion.

I could care less about the terminology to be honest.

Now how many times have you told others off for making an assumption or going on a "speculation". tsk tsk tsk.. Gold ol' six hypocrisy.

Once again the gun is irrelevant. If he didn't kill four he would have killed one or two. At the end of the day this person's intention was to kill a police officer rather than be arrested. There is no two ways to cut it.

Whether a person is successful in their "attempt" depends a lot on the capacity they have to carry it out. That's how you "cut it".

Its quite obvious really.

[Heracles 417]

Pure fear mongering. In the meantime, police officers are dying.

So clearly it's the guns to blame and rather than the person who pulled the trigger.

I say ban guns. Ban them all because I cannot wait to see what excuse you will make once they are off the streets and the cops continue to be killed in the line of duty.