Feinstein: Keep solar/wind energy facilities out of Mojave Desert

[Danno 1,228]

There seems to be a clash among the "Greens" on wind-power.

While in principle they are all for it, in practice not.

As it so happens, one cannot just place the "wind farms" just anywhere they are only suited to certain places, too often those places are located where Green folks do not want them.

For example how many people along the shore line would want hundreds of these things in front of there beach home or in the bay>

Along the Apalach. Mountains some "environmentalists" fought tooth and nail to prevent these eye sores from destroying the mountain top View.

Even the Soon expired Sen. Kennedy stood in the way of some in his neck of the woods too.

That's what comes with lumping everyone together as 'green' or 'environmentalist', you find the world doesn't make sense. Who knew?

Here's a helpful pointer, lumping everyone who doesn't agree with your point of view as 'librul' causes similar dysfunction.

Thanks again for contributing something meaningful to "The topic".

[Niels Bohr 72]

I've listened to a number of supporters who think pigs, chickens, and cows have the same conscious as human beings. They plan on coming up with legislation to prevent chickens, pigs, and cows from being put in cages.

Now, here's the thing, what difference does it make if we're going to eat them. I've seen them put in cages. Sure, they're packed with no room. But, you don't see skinny pigs walking around. Skinny pigs is a sign a malnutrition. As a matter of fact, when pigs are full they're happy! This is happening in CA where this issue has been brought up by the animal activists group.

I do have to admit, CA has some weird people.

[Peikko 1,575]

There seems to be a clash among the "Greens" on wind-power.

While in principle they are all for it, in practice not.

As it so happens, one cannot just place the "wind farms" just anywhere they are only suited to certain places, too often those places are located where Green folks do not want them.

For example how many people along the shore line would want hundreds of these things in front of there beach home or in the bay>

Along the Apalach. Mountains some "environmentalists" fought tooth and nail to prevent these eye sores from destroying the mountain top View.

Even the Soon expired Sen. Kennedy stood in the way of some in his neck of the woods too.

That's what comes with lumping everyone together as 'green' or 'environmentalist', you find the world doesn't make sense. Who knew?

Here's a helpful pointer, lumping everyone who doesn't agree with your point of view as 'librul' causes similar dysfunction.

Thanks again for contributing something meaningful to "The topic".

You learned nothing from it though did you Danno?

[Mark&Steph 0]

I've listened to a number of supporters who think pigs, chickens, and cows have the same conscious as human beings. They plan on coming up with legislation to prevent chickens, pigs, and cows from being put in cages.

Now, here's the thing, what difference does it make if we're going to eat them. I've seen them put in cages. Sure, they're packed with no room. But, you don't see skinny pigs walking around. Skinny pigs is a sign a malnutrition. As a matter of fact, when pigs are full they're happy! This is happening in CA where this issue has been brought up by the animal activists group.

I do have to admit, CA has some weird people.

I don't know about the whole same conscious as human beings stuff, but I do think that food animals at least deserve to live a comfortable life in the time they have. I used to know a guy who worked on a pig farm. All the pigs were packed into one building. They were born in there and never left until it was time to go to the slaughter house. Occasionally the guys would hit them with sledgehammers to break up a fight or to get them moving in the direction they wanted them to go. Somehow I don't think those pigs were all that happy.

[Niels Bohr 72]

I've listened to a number of supporters who think pigs, chickens, and cows have the same conscious as human beings. They plan on coming up with legislation to prevent chickens, pigs, and cows from being put in cages.

Now, here's the thing, what difference does it make if we're going to eat them. I've seen them put in cages. Sure, they're packed with no room. But, you don't see skinny pigs walking around. Skinny pigs is a sign a malnutrition. As a matter of fact, when pigs are full they're happy! This is happening in CA where this issue has been brought up by the animal activists group.

I do have to admit, CA has some weird people.

I don't know about the whole same conscious as human beings stuff, but I do think that food animals at least deserve to live a comfortable life in the time they have. I used to know a guy who worked on a pig farm. All the pigs were packed into one building. They were born in there and never left until it was time to go to the slaughter house. Occasionally the guys would hit them with sledgehammers to break up a fight or to get them moving in the direction they wanted them to go. Somehow I don't think those pigs were all that happy.

They're well fed, and don't have to work. Of course they're happy. Since they only have instinct for food basically. They have no idea. In other countries such as Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, China, etc...the animals aren't fed as well here. Anyway, how do we even know if they're happy or not. Do pigs even get depressed?

Edited March 24, 2009 by Niels Bohr

[Heracles 417]

I don't know about the whole same conscious as human beings stuff, but I do think that food animals at least deserve to live a comfortable life in the time they have. I used to know a guy who worked on a pig farm. All the pigs were packed into one building. They were born in there and never left until it was time to go to the slaughter house. Occasionally the guys would hit them with sledgehammers to break up a fight or to get them moving in the direction they wanted them to go. Somehow I don't think those pigs were all that happy.

I always thought about it. These animals could be releasing some sort of stress toxin in their body which we later consume. Karma is a ######.

This is why I try to buy free range and ethically treated animal products.

[Mark&Steph 0]

They're well fed, and don't have to work. Of course they're happy.

You're funny.

Happy pigs were the kind my aunt and uncle used to raise. Big, airy barn with plenty of outside pens. They laid in the mud all spring and summer. Now those suckers were damn satisfied with life.

[Heracles 417]

They're well fed, and don't have to work. Of course they're happy. Since they only have instinct for food basically. They have no idea. In other countries such as Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, China, etc...the animals aren't fed as well here. Anyway, how do we even know if they're happy or not. Do pigs even get depressed?

They had a documentary on fish farms in Thailand back in Aus. After seeing dead fish floating in dirty water, which was later packaged and sold to us i now I try to get locally or Alaskan sourced fish.

[Mark&Steph 0]

Anyway, how do we even know if they're happy or not. Do pigs even get depressed?

I would certainly imagine that they do. My dogs and cats have been depressed. I work with horses and they get depressed all the time for various reasons. We sent a three year old away this year to another farm to be broke. He freaked out over it so bad that he stopped eating, lost a whole bunch of weight. He's finally coming around now though. Anyway, pigs are way smarter than horses so I'm willing to bet they can feel a lot of the same types of emotions.

[Mark&Steph 0]

I always thought about it. These animals could be releasing some sort of stress toxin in their body which we later consume. Karma is a ######.

This is why I try to buy free range and ethically treated animal products.

I try to do that too whenever possible. I wish there was more of a selection of products like that around here. I hardly ever see them.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Where's Steven the NIMBY king?

[Niels Bohr 72]

Why hasn't science caught up to the conscious of pigs? LOL. Or test subjects such as guinea pigs?

If pigs are placed in the wild they'll become instinct anyway. Sometimes overthinking things emotional leads to detrimental consequences. Pigs in captivity survive longer than in the wild.

Lets think hypothetically for a second. If the pigs were to be released to the wild, will they get depressed? What is the worst case scenerio? And, lets pretend I do support pigs not being locked up in cage. Why aren't they're used as pets instead?

The pig farmers must hold a business, if they don't have enough estate to invest in holding pigs, what's the point of people eating pigs if the farmer cannot even sell enough to everybody. Will this have a negative consequence of eating bacon in the morning? Fast food? No more porkchops even?

I don't eat alot of pigs, but, I do find it silly since at the dawn of civilization pigs have been eaten, and confined in tight spots. Why now? There are lots of things that comes to mind when I hear advocates supporting the un-caged pigs.

[Mark&Steph 0]

Why hasn't science caught up to the conscious of pigs? LOL. Or test subjects such as guinea pigs?

Well, they kinda have.... http://mammals.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_intelligent_pig

If pigs are placed in the wild they'll become instinct anyway. Sometimes overthinking things emotional leads to detrimental consequences. Pigs in captivity survive longer than in the wild.

Lets think hypothetically for a second. If the pigs were to be released to the wild, will they get depressed? What is the worst case scenerio? And, lets pretend I do support pigs not being locked up in cage. Why aren't they're used as pets instead?

Will they get depressed? I suppose it would depend on the pig and how acclimated it was to being taken care of. To use the example of horses again, we have ones that would probably die without human help and others who would be happy to never have to look at us again and be just fine on their own. Confinement farm pigs have never even seen the world outside so the adjustment might be pretty hard on them at first while pigs raised outside from the get go would probably be just fine.

The pig farmers must hold a business, if they don't have enough estate to invest in holding pigs, what's the point of people eating pigs if the farmer cannot even sell enough to everybody. Will this have a negative consequence of eating bacon in the morning? Fast food? No more porkchops even?

Most farmers don't sell their pigs on their own. They work under contract for the few processors that control the bulk of the pig market. Like Tyson, for instance. Because of that they have to raise as many pigs as they can as cheaply as they can in order to make any money at all. That's how the confinement farms came into being. I certainly don't blame them for doing what they thought they had to do. I just don't think they are a good idea for a lot of reasons, not just for pig's welfare. The meat is not as good. They seem to be kind of environmentally hazardous due to all the waste. I could go on but I'll stop there.

I don't eat alot of pigs, but, I do find it silly since at the dawn of civilization pigs have been eaten, and confined in tight spots. Why now? There are lots of things that comes to mind when I hear advocates supporting the un-caged pigs.

They haven't been confined in tight spots like they are now. At least, not over here. They weren't like that when I was a kid in the 70's. They were on farms like my aunt and uncles. Again, the confinement farms came about when the a few big companies started controlling most of the market.

[Mark&Steph 0]

Oh, and I forgot to address your question about why people don't keep pigs as pets instead. Pot bellied pigs used to be very popular pets. I'm not sure if they still are. It was probably one of those passing fads.

Keeping regular pigs as pets wouldn't be a very good idea because they get huge, feeding them would be a small fortune, and they are hella destructive.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

NIMBY hypocrites!