Since when

[rebeccajo 14]

So as I understand it, this thread is about (roughly) opinion versus facts, and what place they have on VJ.

I'll throw this out and see if it sticks, and I'm not addressing it to anybody in particular: If someone is putting out incorrect information, then discuss it, criticize them for it, throw the evidence in their face, or whatever. But after a few rounds of "uh-uh/uh-huh", just let it go. Let the OP and other readers decide for themselves who is right and wrong, or at least give them the opportunity to continue the thread and ask questions. We're either here to be helpful, or to seek help. Once a thread devolves into a personal battlefield, it ceases to be helpful to anybody. So after you've said your peace and debated the issue, just let it go. We are all adults, and we are all able to weigh the evidence and decide for ourselves who is right and wrong.

Hell, how about we give out hearts for NOT getting in the last word? I'd vote for that.

Mox...

I actually try to do this!

Go back to nearly any thread which contains an 'altercation' between myself and pushbrk. 99% of the time, you will see that he has felt the need to add a final comment.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

So as I understand it, this thread is about (roughly) opinion versus facts, and what place they have on VJ.

I'll throw this out and see if it sticks, and I'm not addressing it to anybody in particular: If someone is putting out incorrect information, then discuss it, criticize them for it, throw the evidence in their face, or whatever. But after a few rounds of "uh-uh/uh-huh", just let it go. Let the OP and other readers decide for themselves who is right and wrong, or at least give them the opportunity to continue the thread and ask questions. We're either here to be helpful, or to seek help. Once a thread devolves into a personal battlefield, it ceases to be helpful to anybody. So after you've said your peace and debated the issue, just let it go. We are all adults, and we are all able to weigh the evidence and decide for ourselves who is right and wrong.

Hell, how about we give out hearts for NOT getting in the last word? I'd vote for that.

Mox thank you for saying this. You get the captains trophy for the day. I am "remote" so moderating this or any thread via my blackberry is just impossible to do well. The points you made are what I was thinking and hit the point head on.

[pushbrk 12,883]

So as I understand it, this thread is about (roughly) opinion versus facts, and what place they have on VJ.

I'll throw this out and see if it sticks, and I'm not addressing it to anybody in particular: If someone is putting out incorrect information, then discuss it, criticize them for it, throw the evidence in their face, or whatever. But after a few rounds of "uh-uh/uh-huh", just let it go. Let the OP and other readers decide for themselves who is right and wrong, or at least give them the opportunity to continue the thread and ask questions. We're either here to be helpful, or to seek help. Once a thread devolves into a personal battlefield, it ceases to be helpful to anybody. So after you've said your peace and debated the issue, just let it go. We are all adults, and we are all able to weigh the evidence and decide for ourselves who is right and wrong.

Hell, how about we give out hearts for NOT getting in the last word? I'd vote for that.

Mox thank you for saying this. You get the captains trophy for the day. I am "remote" so moderating this or any thread via my blackberry is just impossible to do well. The points you made are what I was thinking and hit the point head on.

Yet the personal attacks continue unchecked. I guess they are simply tolerated. Nevertheless, I'll refrain and let the Captain do his thing.

Mox did exactly hit the nail on the head and anybody able to read what was removed from the most recent thread in question, knows who through just what punches.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

... and per mox lets all just be the bigger person and drop the banter. I will follow up in the next few days and monitor things and see what is really the case and not the case.

[pushbrk 12,883]

... and per mox lets all just be the bigger person and drop the banter. I will follow up in the next few days and monitor things and see what is really the case and not the case.

As a site issue, my suggestion is that if a "person" or person's behavior is the issue, take it to the moderators or the Captain. Don't post it in public.

[MrsCat 6]

Fuzzy One, I think VJ needs a court with a jury. Randomly select VJ members for jury service. They can read the offending thread. Majority rule and propose a sentence. You as judge and our leader can mete out the sentence.

[rebeccajo 14]

... and per mox lets all just be the bigger person and drop the banter. I will follow up in the next few days and monitor things and see what is really the case and not the case.

As a site issue, my suggestion is that if a "person" or person's behavior is the issue, take it to the moderators or the Captain. Don't post it in public.

Hope you've got your mirror out.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

please drop the back and forth or take the banter to PM. Thanks. It does not help or further this topic.

[rebeccajo 14]

... and per mox lets all just be the bigger person and drop the banter. I will follow up in the next few days and monitor things and see what is really the case and not the case.

Give me a break.

You've got about two years of written history if you care to take the time.

Pay particular attention to any thread between Push and a woman. Kezzie, Mermaid, myself....any.

please drop the back and forth or take the banter to PM. Thanks. It does not help or further this topic.

I've tried that. All I got told was if I didn't like what he posts, too bad.

Oh....I also got told that he pitied my husband.

Nice.

Edited March 21, 2009 by rebeccajo

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

... and per mox lets all just be the bigger person and drop the banter. I will follow up in the next few days and monitor things and see what is really the case and not the case.

Give me a break.

You've got about two years of written history if you care to take the time.

Pay particular attention to any thread between Push and a woman. Kezzie, Mermaid, myself....any.

please drop the back and forth or take the banter to PM. Thanks. It does not help or further this topic.

I've tried that. All I got told was if I didn't like it, too bad.

Oh....I also got told that he pitied my husband.

Nice.

I plan to read old stuff and new a like. Basically I have people on both sides saying the other side it at fault. It is prudent for me to read both old AND new.

If Push is starting stuff up consistently and making arguments, well that should be clear and then you will be right. Either way it appears you both have feud going on that does not seem to help anyone.

[rebeccajo 14]

Oh, now we have SIDES?

That's infantile.

Are you a grown-up or not? Are you or are you not responsible for the integrity of information on this site? Or is this all just a game for you?

It's the same old-same old BS. Drama promotes traffic and traffic produces revenue.

I'm starting to think you don't give a damn about peoples cases as long as the dollars keep rolling in. The fact that you have a pontificating egomaniac as your 'star expert' just proves it.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

Lol. Dear goodness rj. I simply want to know what is going on. You keep reply to this thread and every time I get a msg on my phone saying "new post". I come back and read and reply.

How on earth do you expect me to "read" anything and make a fair decision on the truth when you keep hitting this thread. I bet you don;t realize but I actually had to come home from a nice meal with someone because all this mess is going on. They were not very happy that I bailed on them but such is life and my responsibility to this site.

I actually "do" want to help but it does take time and reading to do that. I do not read your or anyone else's posts on a daily basis as I spend a lot of time just trying to keep everything else moving behind the scenes as well as launching new tools, fixing potential security items, updating software, cleaning out the timelien database to keep it up to date with no errors, replying to technical problems for members on the site (new registrations, lockouts, TOS issues).

In short, I spend a lot of time trying to help people and while I am not always visible to you on the forums I do indeed have the best interest of the community at heart.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

One more note, there is a reason I do not post a lot of the things I am doing behind the scenes to moderate. I can never make everyone happy. I can only try my best to do what is right int he best interest of keeping VJ a helpful and "welcoming" place to be. The arguing on the forums "despite who is right or wrong" scares new members looking for help. They did not ask for their threads to turn into a battleground for senoir members but I see it happening which is a shame.

w.r.t. to the arguing between the two members central to this tangent... it is possible that both are wrong and both are right. At the most basic level they may simply not like each other... which is just part of life: not everyone likes each other. That said this is not a reason to leave ones civility behind at the expense of keeping the community a helpful and welcoming place for all members.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

Last comment. I am going to follow up (right now in fact) and once I am done PM both you (rj) and push directly. It is not the place (here) for TOS related discussion. That is a private matter. Beyond the TOS is just simply keeping the site a welcoming and helpful place for members. I will direct future conversation via PM. If anyone has suggestions on how to run things smoother though I am always open to critique or suggetions. My skin is pretty thick .

On a side note, illumine today did give a solid suggestion to me. Right now I get "help" requests via PM/email. She told me that I had let several requests by members slip through and not gotten back to them. While I do get about 40 or so PM's or emails a day I certainly want to solve everyones issue or at least give it my best shot at understanding. To that end, I am going to implement a "trouble ticket" system people can submit to so they will get a status on their issue, and I can track what is close and open. This should greatly improve my response to member concerns as well as member satisfaction .

[bakofoil 27]

The arguing on the forums "despite who is right or wrong" scares new members looking for help. They did not ask for their threads to turn into a battleground for senoir members but I see it happening which is a shame.

w.r.t. to the arguing between the two members central to this tangent... it is possible that both are wrong and both are right. At the most basic level they may simply not like each other... which is just part of life: not everyone likes each other. That said this is not a reason to leave ones civility behind at the expense of keeping the community a helpful and welcoming place for all members.

That is precisely why many people, old and new members alike, have stopped or never even begin posting on VJ. Some of this petty bickering is seemingly for 'argument's sake' or to score personal points in what is obviously a very personal disagreement. It is obvious to me there are sides, since the same 'sides' keep throwing pies at one another.

Frankly, it has become tiresome trawling through the threads for relevant information and I very rarely come back here for information. I am glad that my K1 visajourney experience on these boards, at least, was in some way positive as many of those filing with me were extremely supportive and shared some genuinely useful information. The site and some member's commitment to the quality of the site have definitely degenerated in the past year.