Hood not so good? Ancient Brits questioned outlaw

[Nagishkaw 510]

LONDON – A British academic says he's found proof that Britain's legendary outlaw Robin Hood wasn't as popular with the poor as folklore suggests.

Julian Luxford says a newly found note in the margins of an ancient history book contains rare criticism of the supposedly benevolent bandit.

According to legend, Hood roamed 13th-century Britain from a base in central England's Sherwood Forest, plundering from the rich to give to the poor.

But Luxford, an art history lecturer at the University of St. Andrews, in Fife, Scotland, says a 23-word inscription in a history book, written in Latin by a medieval monk around 1460, casts the outlaw as a persistent thief.

"Around this time, according to popular opinion, a certain outlaw named Robin Hood, with his accomplices, infested Sherwood and other law-abiding areas of England with continuous robberies," the note read when translated into English, Luxford said.

Luxford said he found the entry while searching through the library of England's prestigious Eton College, which was founded in 1440 by King Henry VI.

"The new find contains a uniquely negative assessment of the outlaw, and provides rare evidence for monastic attitudes towards him," Luxford said in a statement about his find issued on Friday.

He said the note about Hood — uncovered in the margin of the "Polychronicon," a history book which dates from the late 1340s — may be the earliest written reference to the outlaw.

First mentions of Hood, depicted in Hollywood movies by both Kevin Costner and Errol Flynn, are commonly believed to have been in late 13th-century ballads. Some academics claim the stories refer to several different medieval outlaws, while others believe the tales are pure fantasy.

Luxford said his discovery may put to rest debates in England about exactly where Hood may have lived.

The northern England county of Yorkshire has long claimed Hood was based there, rather than neighboring Nottinghamshire — even naming a local transport hub Robin Hood Airport in tribute.

But folklore has most commonly placed Hood in Sherwood Forest — where he is reputed to hidden from his nemesis, the Sheriff of Nottingham. The forest once spanned 100,000 acres (40,500 hectares) across Nottinghamshire, but has shrunk in modern time to about 450 acres (180 hectares).

"By mentioning Sherwood, it buttresses the hitherto rather thin evidence for a medieval connection between Robin and the Nottinghamshire forest with which he has become so closely associated," Luxford said.

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[Kathryn41 3,205]

Interesting. I've always had a 'thing' for Robin Hood! Not surprising someone of the Church would also mention his robberies - the Church was apparently one of his favourite targets since they were always good for the gold.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Not at all surprising given the glowing treatment that Richard I "Lion Heart" is given consistently in the Robin Hood legend (and derivative usage in Walter Scott's Ivanhoe) in contrast to the "archvillain" Prince John (Richard's younger brother). Considering the reality is that Richard was actually more despotic a monarch than his brother, the only surprise is that this real view of Robin Hood did not surface much sooner.

[Mags 112]

Interesting. I've always had a 'thing' for Robin Hood! Not surprising someone of the Church would also mention his robberies - the Church was apparently one of his favourite targets since they were always good for the gold.

Absolutely! The church was (and still is) very rich.

Not at all surprising given the glowing treatment that Richard I "Lion Heart" is given consistently in the Robin Hood legend (and derivative usage in Walter Scott's Ivanhoe) in contrast to the "archvillain" Prince John (Richard's younger brother). Considering the reality is that Richard was actually more despotic a monarch than his brother, the only surprise is that this real view of Robin Hood did not surface much sooner.

King John was a nasty man! I've watched Robin of Sherwood!

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Interesting. I've always had a 'thing' for Robin Hood! Not surprising someone of the Church would also mention his robberies - the Church was apparently one of his favourite targets since they were always good for the gold.

Absolutely! The church was (and still is) very rich.

And, at that time through "legalised robbery"; possibly they didn't want to reveal this (as it would make an interesting debate--"Robin robbed a 'legally-empowered' robber, so...") and it took them till now to figure out that it's been open-secret (if at all secret) for donkeys-years.

Not at all surprising given the glowing treatment that Richard I "Lion Heart" is given consistently in the Robin Hood legend (and derivative usage in Walter Scott's Ivanhoe) in contrast to the "archvillain" Prince John (Richard's younger brother). Considering the reality is that Richard was actually more despotic a monarch than his brother, the only surprise is that this real view of Robin Hood did not surface much sooner.

King John was a nasty man! I've watched Robin of Sherwood!

No disagreement, but Richard "lionheart" was even nastier; probably among the few "better" kings of 9^TH-13^TH centuries were:

• Edward "Confessor" of England (1043-1066)
• (real, not Shakespearean version thereof) MacBeth of Scotland (evidenced by his relatively-long reign 1040-1057)
• Malcolm III of Scotland (1057-1093), who counter-usurped the throne from MacBeth (the one historical accuracy in the Bard's piece is that MacBeth usurped the throne by killing Duncan I--but in combat, not by stealth)

Edited March 14, 2009 by CherryXS

[Pooky 3,784]

Absolutely! The church was (and still is) very rich.

Spot on there. King Henry VIII did not abolish the monasteries simply to rid the country of catholicism, after his "disagreement" with Catherine of Aragon and the King of Spain. He had a budget crisis. And the monasteries, as a source of considerable wealth, were an obvious target for repossession.

So, going back to Robin Hood, it's no surprise the monks didn't like him. They were likely to be victims of his outlawry, so they had good reason to be fearful of him.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Like modern liberals, I'm sure Robin Hood's definition of 'rich' was very subjective.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Stealing from the old dummies and giving to the young wise guys ?