REASON FOR IMBRA ???

[Fandango 1,439]

Forget IMBRA, there needs to be a law about foreign fiancees who dupe USCs

[Fandango 1,439]

We would be better off if the discriminatory aspects of this law were removed and that it was made universal - all those marrying US or foreign must submit to background checks. l

I think George Orwell just laughed in his grave....

Edited June 21, 2006 by LisaD

[almaty 19]

We would be better off if the discriminatory aspects of this law were removed and that it was made universal - all those marrying US or foreign must submit to background checks. l

I think George Orwell just laughed in his grave....

i agree..

[*Robert* 2]

Is "Big Brother" watching this?!!!

[almaty 19]

damn right he is..and he is pissed by all the ###### Imbra whining

[milestogo 0]

We would be better off if the discriminatory aspects of this law were removed and that it was made universal - all those marrying US or foreign must submit to background checks. l

I think George Orwell just laughed in his grave....

i agree..

You do know I was making a point and that I think this entire law is flawed. We are closer to George Orwell than you might think. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and IMBRA is the first on ramp.

[*Robert* 2]

Maybe, maybe not... the fact remains, complaining about it on here isn't going to change a damn thing, and I doubt it will ever change. If nothing, it's only going to get harder.

Those are just the facts of life. Guess for those that don't like it... move to another country, or find someone local to hook up with!

[Chuckles 0]

Maybe, maybe not... the fact remains, complaining about it on here isn't going to change a damn thing, and I doubt it will ever change. If nothing, it's only going to get harder.

Those are just the facts of life. Guess for those that don't like it... move to another country, or find someone local to hook up with!

NO DISCUSSING OPINIONS WITHOUT ROI_AGGIES APPROVAL PLEASE !!

[*Robert* 2]

Maybe, maybe not... the fact remains, complaining about it on here isn't going to change a damn thing, and I doubt it will ever change. If nothing, it's only going to get harder.

Those are just the facts of life. Guess for those that don't like it... move to another country, or find someone local to hook up with!

NO DISCUSSING OPINIONS WITHOUT ROI_AGGIES APPROVAL PLEASE !!

why don't you go and crawl back under the rock you came out from... you are such an a$$wipe!!!

[Chuckles 0]

Ok... you need to learn to relax... Its not your message board, its about immigration.

[*Robert* 2]

Ok... you need to learn to relax... Its not your message board, its about immigration.

And everyone should come and see the little pi$$head chuckles start flame wars with senior members to show how inferior and arrogant he is.

All hail the great chuckles, the new king of VJ and master of the IMBRA.

Sheesh

I never said it was. You started talking #######, not me. It's not your message board either, and there is no need for you to come in here causing problems.

Good, now all your stupid little posts are moved!!!

Thanks Captain Ewok!!!

[Chuckles 0]

Ok... you need to learn to relax... Its not your message board, its about immigration.

And everyone should come and see the little pi$$head chuckles start flame wars with senior members to show how inferior and arrogant he is.

All hail the great chuckles, the new king of VJ and master of the IMBRA.

Sheesh

I never said it was. You started talking #######, not me. It's not your message board either, and there is no need for you to come in here causing problems.

Good, now all your stupid little posts are moved!!!

Thanks Captain Ewok!!!

Negative, you started in with me on another thread. Timestamps are neat. Not sure what your problem is with me, but you are a right angry little fellow!!

[Artegal 1]

But I know bad legislation when I see it. Just because there is a problem it doesn't mean every law that addresses it is a good law, and a person who opposes a law is not necessarily for the crime, understand?

Sums up the reality pretty good- thank you for saving me the typing.

Like the premise of "The Colbert Report", people want to "feel" a law is good, regardless of the weight (in this case the lack thereof) of the evidence proving otherwise. It is all puppies and butterflies as long as the law "sounds" good.

To cite emotionally gripping examples, and claiming they were all preventable if IMBRA had only been in effect, is intellectually bankrupt and only panders to the sensationalistic hot-buttons of the masses.

BUT what is always missing are the studies showing causation and linkage.

What studies were conducted? Were meta-studies done? Who were the control groups? What are the facts supporting this "power imbalance" theory? This is IMBRA's whole problem, it is all based on emotion, there are no facts supporting the alleged efficacy of the solution.

Don't cram legislation down my throat that was written in ambiguous and convolution fashion, based on knee-jerk reaction.

There were already laws in place for visa fraud, spousal abuse. Don't create new laws when you don't enforce the ones already in place.

Perhaps you missed these statistics.

According to USCIS statistics, from the time that VAWA made it possible in 1996 for foreign spouses to leave their abuser and self-petition for their own immigration status through March 2005, approximately 38,000 I-360 applications were filed, 30,672 were approved, and approximately 7200 were denied.

That's 30,000 immigrants on some sort of government assistance. It's not emotional to speculate that many of these American men could have been screened out of the process with the use of criminal background checks. Shoving 30,000 immigrants down the throat of the taxpayer is a bigger pill to swallow than whatever inconvenience IMBRA has caused you personally.

So according to your logic IMBRA was made to protect the American Tax payer from the support of 30,000 immigrants on government assistance? Okay what is the cost of changing a government form and procedures and then implementing those changes and doing background investigations on over 10,000 visa applications so far held-up because of IMBRA. Now to do a thorough investigation you need to check Federal, 50 State, Numerous Local, and possibly Military and overseas law enforcement, court, criminal and family court records. So we enacted IMBRA to save the cost of 30,000 supposedly abused spouses--then we do not enact any law to save the taxpayer the cost of the estimated 20,000,000 illegal immigrants in this country.

I bet you there is way more abuse of the millions of undocumented migrant workers in this country then there is abuse of the few thousand foreign born spouses. But yet you do not seemed concerned about the millions vs a few high-profile domestic violence cases.

Maybe if you would focus on the research about abuses in work-place safety, absentee-landlords, and working and living conditions that constitute modern-day slavery for the millions of illegal aliens, then maybe just maybe a more meaningful law than IMBRA about the totally unregulated invasion of undocumented aliens without any background checks, safeguards, or legal recourse would pass through congress.

I guess it’s just easier to be up in arms about the tragic death of a beautiful eastern-European girl versus the countless deaths of Mexican migrants each day. I can remember recent cases of hundreds dead in rail box cars and in the cabs of 18-wheelers--but nothing has changed on that front.

And as far as the support of immigrants on government assistance: I don't see the Governors of California, Arizona, Texas, and Florida petitioning congress for more aid for all the abused foreign spouses. No its things like work-place accidents, undocumented mothers having babies in our overburdened hospitals that is got them in dire straits fiscally.

You know I speak Spanish and I see countless jobs at our nation's hospitals for patient advocates, billing, and Nurse positions. They want someone that speaks Spanish, someone that can help translate and work at bill collection or apply for medicare or medicaid etc for Spanish speaking immigrants. I will advise you when I see a marriage counselor position open up for someone who speaks Russian.

Well yeah keep believing that IMBRA has to do with saving the precious budget from supporting 30,000 abused foreign spouses.

We are losing our constitutional right to privacy and freedom of assembly. Excuse me but that is more than just an inconvenience. Maybe I should connect the dots for you:

NSA is recording all phone records. Wire-tapping at will.

NSA is opening overseas in and out bound US mail.

CIA-FBI-Local Law enforcement are sharing data with little or no court oversight.

NSA is trolling the internet to include email.

Patriot Act requires financial institutions to report all your transactions to the government

Airports under the TSA (HLS) search everyone regardless of threat

Airlines forward your travel plans to the FBI etc.

And now your IMBRA that is only in place to save the cost of 30,000 foreign spouses from going on food stamps--requires background checks on all US Citizens that want to correspond and possibly marry a foreigner.

Gee I see its all about saving dollars! Yeah and I suppose every penny counts oops the 100's of billions spent on Katrina (FEMA Fiasco) and the War in Iraq yet a bigger blunder, need this little cost cutting measure known as IMBRA.

Edited June 21, 2006 by Artegal

[Pete 0]

Entire previous Artegal post...ummm masarap! (delicious)

Very nice post. Thank you.