My I-751 was denied

[Minya's wife 25]

Having a mortgage, for primary residence, with both names on it (at same address) is not proof of residing together? Or for that same token, having the same address appear on the tax and bank account statement? I understand that it is proof of shared financial obligations...but then how does one prove 'common residence'. These would be the types of things I would be considering sending....so I'm just curious.

The bolded items demonstrate shared financial obligations, but not necessarily that the alien continues to share a common residence.

If this is the extent of your evidence, I don't see much that demonstrates that the couple resided together. Have you moved since you filed for AOS? I am curious why you would not have received an RFE, if the reason for denial is a lack of sufficient evidence.

I filed for my I-751 on 02/15/08 jointly with my husband, we are still happily married. I sent my Mortgage, life insurance, health insurance, my 401k, taxes 2005, 2006, 2 letters from friends and my sister in law, house taxes, bank account statem,ents of the last 2 moths. I did not send pictures because all are in my computer and did not think they will even look at them (like last time in my interview for AOS).

The OP does not know the reason for the denial yet...so lack of evidence as the reason is only speculation. The bolded items, if they reflect both names, are demonstrative that the couple reside together (the other items can also be proof if they bear both names and the same address)...and I'm not sure what more could any petitioner offer to demonstrate co-habitation.

[sunshine78 0]

hello.

this is what i just read on this website:

On the "don't panic" front -- ultimately the burden of proof is on the CIS to show a fraudulent marriage. Even if CIS denies, the application can be renewed in front of an Immigration Judge (IJ) in Removal Proceedings -- and the IJ's tend to APPROVE those cases.

please let us know once you get your letter from the USCIS, i am just wondering what is the reason they denied your application.

thanks.

[NickD 203]

Seems like a lot of people had or are having problems with the I-751, I got on the horn as the USC husband for my wife with my senator, things got straightened out in a hurry.

Good news is they did give you an I-551 stamp, you got 60 days, I would have demanded at least six months the way the USCIS is going. The best news is they did not deny you that I-551 stamp. Hope you do not live too far from your nearest field office.

It was my understanding if you promptly filed your I-751, and even if your green card and stamps are expired, they cannot deport you, but you can't work nor travel, but we never quite got that far.

You don't have to explain neither the emotions or stress that you are going through, most of us that had these same problems know about that.

Would have your USC husband contact your senator and your congressman, and as already suggested, by phone.

[maryces21 0]

Seems like a lot of people had or are having problems with the I-751, I got on the horn as the USC husband for my wife with my senator, things got straightened out in a hurry.

Good news is they did give you an I-551 stamp, you got 60 days, I would have demanded at least six months the way the USCIS is going. The best news is they did not deny you that I-551 stamp. Hope you do not live too far from your nearest field office.

It was my understanding if you promptly filed your I-751, and even if your green card and stamps are expired, they cannot deport you, but you can't work nor travel, but we never quite got that far.

You don't have to explain neither the emotions or stress that you are going through, most of us that had these same problems know about that.

Would have your USC husband contact your senator and your congressman, and as already suggested, by phone.

I am working rigth now on this issues and i have my letter to my senator ready. I also prepared a extra package with information to send to the USCIS tomorrow about my bonafide marriage to be added to my case and since at this point i have not been notified on writting and even my case on the internet is still pending. So i do not have anything to loose and probably more to win. We wrote a letter asking them to resolve our issue since our marriage it is for real, I also invited to come to our house and eat in our table since my husband is a excelent cook and he will be more that happy to have them at home.

Last weekend i was feeling really sad and deppress, but now I am ready for anything, I now that together we will go through this.

I will let you know as soon as i have a answer.

Seems like a lot of people had or are having problems with the I-751, I got on the horn as the USC husband for my wife with my senator, things got straightened out in a hurry.

Good news is they did give you an I-551 stamp, you got 60 days, I would have demanded at least six months the way the USCIS is going. The best news is they did not deny you that I-551 stamp. Hope you do not live too far from your nearest field office.

It was my understanding if you promptly filed your I-751, and even if your green card and stamps are expired, they cannot deport you, but you can't work nor travel, but we never quite got that far.

You don't have to explain neither the emotions or stress that you are going through, most of us that had these same problems know about that.

Would have your USC husband contact your senator and your congressman, and as already suggested, by phone.

I am working rigth now on this issues and i have my letter to my senator ready. I also prepared a extra package with information to send to the USCIS tomorrow about my bonafide marriage to be added to my case and since at this point i have not been notified on writting and even my case on the internet is still pending. So i do not have anything to loose and probably more to win. We wrote a letter asking them to resolve our issue since our marriage it is for real, I also invited to come to our house and eat in our table since my husband is a excelent cook and he will be more that happy to have them at home.

Last weekend i was feeling really sad and deppress, but now I am ready for anything, I now that together we will go through this.

I will let you know as soon as i have a answer.

[NickD 203]

If you are writing a letter, you have far more patience than I do, hey, this is my wife and daughter, this is my family?

After a complete background check that took months, the USCIS gave my wife permission to come here so I could marry her is what I told my senators immigration specialist. The new rules for marriage started in 1986 along with limits on immigration that led to more marriage fraud, was a lot of fraud so the INS back then claimed, so they did two things. First to greatly delay and do background checks on both the USC and the alien, then add the I-751 requirement. We are essentially sending the same evidence we did initially, so why is that being questioned now.

I gave up six years of my life fighting for this country, now I am fighting for my family, and feel like I am dealing with incompetent people, etc.

Do you get the message? I won't take no for answer, not regarding my family.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Minya's wife,

If you think like an alien that is wishes to deceive USCIS into thinking that a marriage that was entered into for immigration benefit alone is bonafide, you'll see that documentation such as those listed doesn't necessarily mean that the couple spent one night together in a residence. It would be very easy for an alien intent on committing fraud to have his or her name added to a bank account, or a tax return, or even a deed and yet never spend one moment with the USC (of course this is typically ONLY the case with a spouse that goes along with the plan).

To prove shared residence one would normally supply evidence of mail and correspondence directed to the alien and received at a shared address, personal identification documents showing the shared address, bills for services for a particular shared address paid for or obliged to by the alien.

Having a mortgage, for primary residence, with both names on it (at same address) is not proof of residing together? Or for that same token, having the same address appear on the tax and bank account statement? I understand that it is proof of shared financial obligations...but then how does one prove 'common residence'. These would be the types of things I would be considering sending....so I'm just curious.

The bolded items demonstrate shared financial obligations, but not necessarily that the alien continues to share a common residence.

If this is the extent of your evidence, I don't see much that demonstrates that the couple resided together. Have you moved since you filed for AOS? I am curious why you would not have received an RFE, if the reason for denial is a lack of sufficient evidence.

I filed for my I-751 on 02/15/08 jointly with my husband, we are still happily married. I sent my Mortgage, life insurance, health insurance, my 401k, taxes 2005, 2006, 2 letters from friends and my sister in law, house taxes, bank account statem,ents of the last 2 moths. I did not send pictures because all are in my computer and did not think they will even look at them (like last time in my interview for AOS).

The OP does not know the reason for the denial yet...so lack of evidence as the reason is only speculation. The bolded items, if they reflect both names, are demonstrative that the couple reside together (the other items can also be proof if they bear both names and the same address)...and I'm not sure what more could any petitioner offer to demonstrate co-habitation.

[maryces21 0]

If you are writing a letter, you have far more patience than I do, hey, this is my wife and daughter, this is my family?

After a complete background check that took months, the USCIS gave my wife permission to come here so I could marry her is what I told my senators immigration specialist. The new rules for marriage started in 1986 along with limits on immigration that led to more marriage fraud, was a lot of fraud so the INS back then claimed, so they did two things. First to greatly delay and do background checks on both the USC and the alien, then add the I-751 requirement. We are essentially sending the same evidence we did initially, so why is that being questioned now.

I gave up six years of my life fighting for this country, now I am fighting for my family, and feel like I am dealing with incompetent people, etc.

Do you get the message? I won't take no for answer, not regarding my family.

That is what i am doing, i am not gonna wait for a letter that supposed to came in January, I will send more information of my bonafide marriage and this week we will send papers to the senator offiice. I am figthting and we will not give up.

[maryces21 0]

I forgot i also sent copies of our FL DL showing same address and actually i remember that they also got that we changed them at the same time. I did everything on the web site for both of us the same day.

Minya's wife,

If you think like an alien that is wishes to deceive USCIS into thinking that a marriage that was entered into for immigration benefit alone is bonafide, you'll see that documentation such as those listed doesn't necessarily mean that the couple spent one night together in a residence. It would be very easy for an alien intent on committing fraud to have his or her name added to a bank account, or a tax return, or even a deed and yet never spend one moment with the USC (of course this is typically ONLY the case with a spouse that goes along with the plan).

To prove shared residence one would normally supply evidence of mail and correspondence directed to the alien and received at a shared address, personal identification documents showing the shared address, bills for services for a particular shared address paid for or obliged to by the alien.

Having a mortgage, for primary residence, with both names on it (at same address) is not proof of residing together? Or for that same token, having the same address appear on the tax and bank account statement? I understand that it is proof of shared financial obligations...but then how does one prove 'common residence'. These would be the types of things I would be considering sending....so I'm just curious.

The bolded items demonstrate shared financial obligations, but not necessarily that the alien continues to share a common residence.

If this is the extent of your evidence, I don't see much that demonstrates that the couple resided together. Have you moved since you filed for AOS? I am curious why you would not have received an RFE, if the reason for denial is a lack of sufficient evidence.

I filed for my I-751 on 02/15/08 jointly with my husband, we are still happily married. I sent my Mortgage, life insurance, health insurance, my 401k, taxes 2005, 2006, 2 letters from friends and my sister in law, house taxes, bank account statem,ents of the last 2 moths. I did not send pictures because all are in my computer and did not think they will even look at them (like last time in my interview for AOS).

The OP does not know the reason for the denial yet...so lack of evidence as the reason is only speculation. The bolded items, if they reflect both names, are demonstrative that the couple reside together (the other items can also be proof if they bear both names and the same address)...and I'm not sure what more could any petitioner offer to demonstrate co-habitation.

[queendlee 1]

Minya's wife,

If you think like an alien that is wishes to deceive USCIS into thinking that a marriage that was entered into for immigration benefit alone is bonafide, you'll see that documentation such as those listed doesn't necessarily mean that the couple spent one night together in a residence. It would be very easy for an alien intent on committing fraud to have his or her name added to a bank account, or a tax return, or even a deed and yet never spend one moment with the USC (of course this is typically ONLY the case with a spouse that goes along with the plan).

To prove shared residence one would normally supply evidence of mail and correspondence directed to the alien and received at a shared address, personal identification documents showing the shared address, bills for services for a particular shared address paid for or obliged to by the alien.

I agree w/ you an old friend of mine told me, her mother did exactly that (got married, put her name on stuff, roomed w/ the person) and now that she got through the removal of conditions and stuff, she is going for citizenship. I personally know my marriage is bonafide... but other than establishing that for uscis, I dunno why I would ever really consider some of the things they asked like have both names on stuff etc. Its not as easy to do that as people think if thats not what you are used to. I have married USC friends who could never gather the amount of evidence necessary to satisy uscis.

I suggest to getting every bit of evidence you can and take it to the court/appeal.

[maryces21 0]

Minya's wife,

If you think like an alien that is wishes to deceive USCIS into thinking that a marriage that was entered into for immigration benefit alone is bonafide, you'll see that documentation such as those listed doesn't necessarily mean that the couple spent one night together in a residence. It would be very easy for an alien intent on committing fraud to have his or her name added to a bank account, or a tax return, or even a deed and yet never spend one moment with the USC (of course this is typically ONLY the case with a spouse that goes along with the plan).

To prove shared residence one would normally supply evidence of mail and correspondence directed to the alien and received at a shared address, personal identification documents showing the shared address, bills for services for a particular shared address paid for or obliged to by the alien.

I agree w/ you an old friend of mine told me, her mother did exactly that (got married, put her name on stuff, roomed w/ the person) and now that she got through the removal of conditions and stuff, she is going for citizenship. I personally know my marriage is bonafide... but other than establishing that for uscis, I dunno why I would ever really consider some of the things they asked like have both names on stuff etc. Its not as easy to do that as people think if thats not what you are used to. I have married USC friends who could never gather the amount of evidence necessary to satisy uscis.

I suggest to getting every bit of evidence you can and take it to the court/appeal.

Thank you, and that is what i am getting ready for.

And you are rigth i know USC that they do not even have their accounts together or share cars or insurance because his car it is his car and her car is her car and pay everything separated even they do taxes separated. That is funny

[Cino 5]

PLEASE DON'T BE PARANOID. I'M SURE IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING. IF YOUR MARRIAGE IS

BONA FIDE & ENTERED IN A GOOD FAITH, WHY DO YOU WORRY ? JUST WAIT & SEE THE REASON/S

FOR DENIAL & WE CAN GO FROM THERE. AFTER RECEIVING DENIAL LETTER, YOU CAN ALSO FILE

FOR I-290B (APPEAL & RECONSIDER MOTION ON DENIAL APPLICATION).

PLEASE LET US KNOW. GOOD LUCK !...

[NickD 203]

PLEASE DON'T BE PARANOID. I'M SURE IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING. IF YOUR MARRIAGE IS

BONA FIDE & ENTERED IN A GOOD FAITH, WHY DO YOU WORRY ? JUST WAIT & SEE THE REASON/S

FOR DENIAL & WE CAN GO FROM THERE. AFTER RECEIVING DENIAL LETTER, YOU CAN ALSO FILE

FOR I-290B (APPEAL & RECONSIDER MOTION ON DENIAL APPLICATION).

PLEASE LET US KNOW. GOOD LUCK !...

Have to keep that I-551 current, but with all this speculation, you don't even know why you were denied, that is the first thing to find out.

With two service centers, 140,000 applications per year, that averages out to about 300 I-751 applications processed per day. We sent our in booklet form as friends before us had evidence lost if you just send in a pile of loose papers. They don't tell you are to send evidence, just to send it. They also don't tell you about proof that you sent in your application. My wife is not a board person, but had friends ahead of her with problems, making us both paranoid and extra careful. Still lost our application between Nebraska and California, and when that happens, you don't hear anything, but the clock keeps on ticking. But I had the return receipt and a copy of our canceled check as proof. But with inquires from my senators office, they finally found it, but this was still based on those very inaccurate posting dates. Just can't tell you about the frustration this process caused us. So we know what you are going through.

While we were in no rush for USC, that prompted us to apply at the earliest date, still didn't get her card in, and we also have a daughter that was in a state of panic. But you have to get an official notice first, and if not, find out why you didn't.

Looking through our records, Ombudsman was a very very bad joke, my immigration attorney was helpless, but recommended highly for us to contact both our congressman and senator, in our case, the senator was far more effective and they have the contacts that are not made available to us.

Ironically, my wife only had her ten year card for seven weeks, then had to turn it back in, she didn't want to after all that mess, but got use to it with her USC certificate, then it was all over for us. That day will come for you too.

[maryces21 0]

PLEASE DON'T BE PARANOID. I'M SURE IT IS A MISUNDERSTANDING. IF YOUR MARRIAGE IS

BONA FIDE & ENTERED IN A GOOD FAITH, WHY DO YOU WORRY ? JUST WAIT & SEE THE REASON/S

FOR DENIAL & WE CAN GO FROM THERE. AFTER RECEIVING DENIAL LETTER, YOU CAN ALSO FILE

FOR I-290B (APPEAL & RECONSIDER MOTION ON DENIAL APPLICATION).

PLEASE LET US KNOW. GOOD LUCK !...

Have to keep that I-551 current, but with all this speculation, you don't even know why you were denied, that is the first thing to find out.

With two service centers, 140,000 applications per year, that averages out to about 300 I-751 applications processed per day. We sent our in booklet form as friends before us had evidence lost if you just send in a pile of loose papers. They don't tell you are to send evidence, just to send it. They also don't tell you about proof that you sent in your application. My wife is not a board person, but had friends ahead of her with problems, making us both paranoid and extra careful. Still lost our application between Nebraska and California, and when that happens, you don't hear anything, but the clock keeps on ticking. But I had the return receipt and a copy of our canceled check as proof. But with inquires from my senators office, they finally found it, but this was still based on those very inaccurate posting dates. Just can't tell you about the frustration this process caused us. So we know what you are going through.

While we were in no rush for USC, that prompted us to apply at the earliest date, still didn't get her card in, and we also have a daughter that was in a state of panic. But you have to get an official notice first, and if not, find out why you didn't.

Looking through our records, Ombudsman was a very very bad joke, my immigration attorney was helpless, but recommended highly for us to contact both our congressman and senator, in our case, the senator was far more effective and they have the contacts that are not made available to us.

Ironically, my wife only had her ten year card for seven weeks, then had to turn it back in, she didn't want to after all that mess, but got use to it with her USC certificate, then it was all over for us. That day will come for you too.

It is not being panoic, when that stamp expired i will not have anything to prove that i can work. I will have to leave my job and the way the economic is going i definitaly think my husband will not make with out my help, There is a change we can loose everything we have while i wait for a letter that may get lost. Any way i will come back in 30 days to jacksonville for more information ( by the way it is 4 hours drive from home). I know everything will get straigth but what if is not in 60 days, and everybody here knows that with the USCIS you never know.

I will keep you posted.

[honeyblonde 0]

Mary, I would say do send the pictures. I've always sent a lot - over 50 - and things so far have gone good for us. The way I see it, "a picture paints a thousand words" and seeing the two of you together in real life situations with each others family is pretty good proof you had a valid marriage.

My pictures are also on the computer. I inserted 2 to a page in a Word document and put captions under them saying who was in them and the event and stuff. I used Christmas with family, at the hospital with my son and his newborn son, us after a coworkers weddding, etc. When you have other family of yours or his in the picture, and coworkers and things like that, it definitely shows more proof that you're living your life together. It's hard to pay over 20 people to pretend to spend a day together for Christmas and act like your marriage is real, especially children. Facial expressions sure say a lot.

[maryces21 0]

Mary, I would say do send the pictures. I've always sent a lot - over 50 - and things so far have gone good for us. The way I see it, "a picture paints a thousand words" and seeing the two of you together in real life situations with each others family is pretty good proof you had a valid marriage.

My pictures are also on the computer. I inserted 2 to a page in a Word document and put captions under them saying who was in them and the event and stuff. I used Christmas with family, at the hospital with my son and his newborn son, us after a coworkers weddding, etc. When you have other family of yours or his in the picture, and coworkers and things like that, it definitely shows more proof that you're living your life together. It's hard to pay over 20 people to pretend to spend a day together for Christmas and act like your marriage is real, especially children. Facial expressions sure say a lot.

Package will go out today via express mail so they will get it tomorrow at least when they see the package they maybe give a second look to my case. I know images say more that thousand words., and I am proud to say that my stepson and i love each other. I remember he told his dad once that he loves me more than him and his mom, if he wanted to know if his dad will be mad for that. I am being part of their life and them of mine for seven years and i love them more than anything in this world.