The Vent - Part 2

[DeadPoolX 9]

Do you think I appreciate having to explain my reasoning over and over to you? No, I don't.

It isn't exactly difficult to understand. It's the way I feel about how someone should present themselves for an interview or how someone should look for a job, I thought it was pretty straight forward. It's pretty straight forward for every other place I have worked at and it's pretty straight forward for most places of employment.

It is the vent thread, and it was my vent about calling about jobs. Its my choice to not hire these people. Maybe I'll tell them to call you? Kidding... of course.

You're right -- it is your decision whether or not to hire someone. I also agree that presentation can go a long way and that it's a smart move to dress professionally for any job interview. Showing up neat, clean and wearing something professional shows employers that you're serious about getting hired.

However, I think the real bone of contention here isn't "dressing for success", but how someone should go about looking for a job -- at least that's my disagreement. It's a waste of time to appear -- without notice -- at a business and look for employment. If nothing else, that's rude and extremely presumptuous on the job seeker's part.

Perhaps the issue isn't "calling about employment" so much as it's the way it's handled. There's a big difference between calling and asking for information about job openings (and saying you'll come by later with a resume) versus immediately spitting out, "Hey man, do you have any jobs open?"

Edited March 13, 2009 by DeadPoolX

[Sprailenes 47]

I agree with you DPX but like I said before its acceptable in some places of employment to walk in, we have applications here, we encourage people to come in and tour the course. When managing the restaurants at the hotel I worked at, yes there was a time you wouldn't come in to ask about a job, you don't come in during lunch hour or dinner hour. But I welcomed people to come in and hand a resume.

I mean it depends on the job you are looking for. I wouldn't have walked in off the street at this job and say: "Hi are you hiring executive assistants??"

I probably wouldn't have even looked to a country club to be honest.

The person who called who started this vent was listening to loud music in the background and said: "ARE YA'LL HIRING?" to me that's just tacky.

I worked at a hotel prior to this and even then when people would call we'd just say no. But like you said and I agree, there is a way to speak on the phone and first impressions are everything.

[trailmix 77]

Do you think I appreciate having to explain my reasoning over and over to you? No, I don't.

It isn't exactly difficult to understand. It's the way I feel about how someone should present themselves for an interview or how someone should look for a job, I thought it was pretty straight forward. It's pretty straight forward for every other place I have worked at and it's pretty straight forward for most places of employment.

It is the vent thread, and it was my vent about calling about jobs. Its my choice to not hire these people. Maybe I'll tell them to call you? Kidding... of course.

I'm sure you don't - and i'm also absolutely 100% sure that you don't have to (explain your reasoning). I disagree with you on some points you made - you don't have to reply if you don't want to. Why you would and then complain about it - that I really don't understand.

Also, I am not saying that you do not have a right to your opinion about how you feel someone should present themselves for an interview - that is your perogative - I just think that it is somewhat mean and hurtful to compare people who show up to ask about a job, who are not dressed to your standards or who do not have the level of verbal skills to reach that standard to be compared to people in Ontario who just wanted their job search list to be signed to be stereotyping at best - snobbish at least.

People should dress as though they are going to work at the job they are applying for - most people know that - but not all - but as you said, to you home is home and work is work and if you don't want to help anyone 'up' - that is your perogative as well.

You know, you and I don't really need to be bickering here on VJ - I think it would be quite acceptable for us to just ignore each other posts.

[SapphireDreams 71]

In my experience - and from the classes I took around job searching and the likes - you would dress for an interview 1 step above what you would wear at the job. So for example, if you're applying for a Corporate job where people dress business casual, you would dress business. If you are applying for a job that you would dress casually, you would wear business casual. In some cases you might even dress 2 steps above - like my job now is very casual but we would NEVER hire anyone who didn't come to the job interview in a business suit. They are automatically disqualified. Why? because there are days that we have to wear a suit, and we work in PR, so image is very important - so if you don't know that (and you learn it in PR grad school) then you're just stupid or we assume you know and just don't care... which is worse.

Anyways, that's just my two cents.

[MrsCat 6]

My last job in Canada, when I interviewed I went in a suit for both interviews. It probably would have been more appropriate to wear business casual, but I figured lets dress to impress.

It turns out that the hiring manager was a total clothes #######, and loved that I wore suits both times. My coworkers told me this a few months later, that soon as he got back from the interview, he said "Did you see what she was wearing? And those shoes."

I think that is what put it over the top. No skills necessary when you have on a charcoal suit.

Although, the past two interviews here in Hawaii, I've felt very awkward. Things are so much more relaxed and casual. I had a hard time finding something to wear that I felt was appropriate. A whole new ball-game here.

[Sprailenes 47]

Do you think I appreciate having to explain my reasoning over and over to you? No, I don't.

It isn't exactly difficult to understand. It's the way I feel about how someone should present themselves for an interview or how someone should look for a job, I thought it was pretty straight forward. It's pretty straight forward for every other place I have worked at and it's pretty straight forward for most places of employment.

It is the vent thread, and it was my vent about calling about jobs. Its my choice to not hire these people. Maybe I'll tell them to call you? Kidding... of course.

I'm sure you don't - and i'm also absolutely 100% sure that you don't have to (explain your reasoning). I disagree with you on some points you made - you don't have to reply if you don't want to. Why you would and then complain about it - that I really don't understand.

Also, I am not saying that you do not have a right to your opinion about how you feel someone should present themselves for an interview - that is your perogative - I just think that it is somewhat mean and hurtful to compare people who show up to ask about a job, who are not dressed to your standards or who do not have the level of verbal skills to reach that standard to be compared to people in Ontario who just wanted their job search list to be signed to be stereotyping at best - snobbish at least.

People should dress as though they are going to work at the job they are applying for - most people know that - but not all - but as you said, to you home is home and work is work and if you don't want to help anyone 'up' - that is your perogative as well.

You know, you and I don't really need to be bickering here on VJ - I think it would be quite acceptable for us to just ignore each other posts.

Dress pants and a shirt tucked in... isn't much to ask.

I don't expect someone to come in dressed in a suit, but its a private country club with a dress code, you don't walk in with jeans, there's a sign by the front door that says no jeans. Its a country club with members who are millionaires, Flyers, Eagles, Phillies, are members, we can be a bit snobbish with our standards and rightfully so. We have an image to keep and an atmosphere to uphold.

I have had people come in who barely speak english, and I have given them an application and they get hired, but don't come in dressed as a hood rat speaking like I am one of your homies.

What is so hard to understand??

Fine ignore me. Whatever. I won't miss you periodically barking at me.

[trailmix 77]

Do you think I appreciate having to explain my reasoning over and over to you? No, I don't.

It isn't exactly difficult to understand. It's the way I feel about how someone should present themselves for an interview or how someone should look for a job, I thought it was pretty straight forward. It's pretty straight forward for every other place I have worked at and it's pretty straight forward for most places of employment.

It is the vent thread, and it was my vent about calling about jobs. Its my choice to not hire these people. Maybe I'll tell them to call you? Kidding... of course.

I'm sure you don't - and i'm also absolutely 100% sure that you don't have to (explain your reasoning). I disagree with you on some points you made - you don't have to reply if you don't want to. Why you would and then complain about it - that I really don't understand.

Also, I am not saying that you do not have a right to your opinion about how you feel someone should present themselves for an interview - that is your perogative - I just think that it is somewhat mean and hurtful to compare people who show up to ask about a job, who are not dressed to your standards or who do not have the level of verbal skills to reach that standard to be compared to people in Ontario who just wanted their job search list to be signed to be stereotyping at best - snobbish at least.

People should dress as though they are going to work at the job they are applying for - most people know that - but not all - but as you said, to you home is home and work is work and if you don't want to help anyone 'up' - that is your perogative as well.

You know, you and I don't really need to be bickering here on VJ - I think it would be quite acceptable for us to just ignore each other posts.

Dress pants and a shirt tucked in... isn't much to ask.

I don't expect someone to come in dressed in a suit, but its a private country club with a dress code, you don't walk in with jeans, there's a sign by the front door that says no jeans. Its a country club with members who are millionaires, Flyers, Eagles, Phillies, are members, we can be a bit snobbish with our standards and rightfully so. We have an image to keep and an atmosphere to uphold.

I have had people come in who barely speak english, and I have given them an application and they get hired, but don't come in dressed as a hood rat speaking like I am one of your homies.

What is so hard to understand??

Fine ignore me. Whatever. I won't miss you periodically barking at me.

ditto - oh and I think I made a mistake - I can't ignore this #######.

All I wanted to say was that it's great that you won't be lonely up there on your pedestal. I have to laugh though.

"We can be a bit snobbish with our standards and rightfully so"

These are the same people that take home items from the lost and found box.

I would venture to say that some of those kids coming in to apply in their jeans have more integrity than some of the people you work with.

[Sprailenes 47]

Well that's your problem. I just think its sad that you're so bitter that you can't ignore someone's vent about something that isn't that trivial.

Its a private country club, they choose the standards and they have a right to keep the standards, its not a pedestal. Many companies have a set of standards. We don't allow jeans, cut off shorts, people pay to be members there... there are HIGH standards. As an employee there I keep the standards.

Like talking to a brick wall.

Edited March 13, 2009 by Sprailenes

[trailmix 77]

Well that's your problem. I just think its sad that you're so bitter that you can't ignore someone's vent about something that isn't that trivial.

Its a private country club, they choose the standards and they have a right to keep the standards, its not a pedestal. Many companies have a set of standards. We don't allow jeans, cut off shorts, people pay to be members there... there are HIGH standards. As an employee there I keep the standards.

Like talking to a brick wall.

Is it just my imagination or have you completely missed my point?

My point was not that people do not have do dress according to the company dress standards - but you seem to keep harping back to that.

My point was that instead of stereotyping these people, instead of putting them down and venting about them interrupting your phone call or soiling your entrance carpet with their worn out shoes or slamming them because they didn't bring a pen - that you could help them out.

So don't speak to me as though I am some kind of imbecile, and you do not need to reiterate your point - I know exactly where you are coming from and what you are saying - if you stopped for a minute you might see what I have been saying.

[Sprailenes 47]

I think you've missed all of my points.

I won't help out someone who doesn't want to be helped. Thats all. I said that previously.

Read my posts... don't just read what you want to read.

Sheesh calm down.

[Ban Hammer 13,348]

no fighting in the canadian regional - that's what off topic is for!

[TheATeam 0]

Wow.

[Ban Hammer 13,348]

it appears all the venting is done now.

[Danu 19]

my vent of the day is that i have mysterious blister that appeared on my hand...havent been doing anything different from normal, so not sure why it just decided to pop up, but man does it ever hurt!!! And even though I keep poking it, it doesnt stay drained Add to it that its in a spot where if I have to open a bottle or jar its getting rubbed, and its very annoying.

[DeadPoolX 9]

my vent of the day is that i have mysterious blister that appeared on my hand...havent been doing anything different from normal, so not sure why it just decided to pop up, but man does it ever hurt!!! And even though I keep poking it, it doesnt stay drained Add to it that its in a spot where if I have to open a bottle or jar its getting rubbed, and its very annoying.

Wait a sec... do you mean by "poking it" that you're actually piercing the blister? Unless you're a physician or a nurse -- complete with sterilized equipment -- I wouldn't recommend doing that. You could develop a very nasty infection. The you'd need to go to the doctor anyway and get antibiotics.