As the Dow keeps dropping,

[spookyturtle 9,466]

If it's not Obama's fault yet, please give us a date when it is plausible to say it's his fault. That day is sure to come.

it will never come in vj.

Sure it will. It's just idiotic that it is the center of attention now. If some of these people here really think we are in this economic mess becasuse of the current President and not because of what has happened the past few years, they are brainless. The day may come when all these naysayers have their wish. Obama is responsible for what he owns in this. And if it fails, he will be judged accordingly.

i'll believe that when i see someone put a date down. so far i've not seen anyone do that.

Now you sound like Virtual Whiner. How about when some of his policies have actually be implemented for a reasonalbe period of time? How about when there is an indication of whether they are making a positive or negative impact? The mess wasn't created in a month, it won't go away in month as you wel know. So why don't you just pick a date 6 months down the road and make it the official blame Obama day? Perhaps September 17th would work?

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

If it's not Obama's fault yet, please give us a date when it is plausible to say it's his fault. That day is sure to come.

it will never come in vj.

Sure it will. It's just idiotic that it is the center of attention now. If some of these people here really think we are in this economic mess becasuse of the current President and not because of what has happened the past few years, they are brainless. The day may come when all these naysayers have their wish. Obama is responsible for what he owns in this. And if it fails, he will be judged accordingly.

i'll believe that when i see someone put a date down. so far i've not seen anyone do that.

Now you sound like Virtual Whiner. How about when some of his policies have actually be implemented for a reasonalbe period of time? How about when there is an indication of whether they are making a positive or negative impact? The mess wasn't created in a month, it won't go away in month as you wel know. So why don't you just pick a date 6 months down the road and make it the official blame Obama day? Perhaps September 17th would work?

of this year? or next? the year after? be specific, is that too difficult?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

If it's not Obama's fault yet, please give us a date when it is plausible to say it's his fault. That day is sure to come.

it will never come in vj.

Sure it will. It's just idiotic that it is the center of attention now. If some of these people here really think we are in this economic mess becasuse of the current President and not because of what has happened the past few years, they are brainless. The day may come when all these naysayers have their wish. Obama is responsible for what he owns in this. And if it fails, he will be judged accordingly.

i'll believe that when i see someone put a date down. so far i've not seen anyone do that.

Now you sound like Virtual Whiner. How about when some of his policies have actually be implemented for a reasonalbe period of time? How about when there is an indication of whether they are making a positive or negative impact? The mess wasn't created in a month, it won't go away in month as you wel know. So why don't you just pick a date 6 months down the road and make it the official blame Obama day? Perhaps September 17th would work?

of this year? or next? the year after? be specific, is that too difficult?

Well, since I said 6 months, by my math that would be this year. It's an arbitrary date as you know. It has to be sufficient time to allow some of the current undertakings time to work or not work. If they don't work, blame him and be happy. If they aren't implemented in 6 months, then obviosly more time is needed. Why is a specific date so important? Even the most idiotic of the bashers know that 6 weeks isn't enough time. The mess was created well before he came into the office. Let's see what he does, and judge him according to his actions or lack there of.

[HAL 9000 96]

If it's not Obama's fault yet, please give us a date when it is plausible to say it's his fault. That day is sure to come.

it will never come in vj.

Sure it will. It's just idiotic that it is the center of attention now. If some of these people here really think we are in this economic mess becasuse of the current President and not because of what has happened the past few years, they are brainless. The day may come when all these naysayers have their wish. Obama is responsible for what he owns in this. And if it fails, he will be judged accordingly.

i'll believe that when i see someone put a date down. so far i've not seen anyone do that.

Not many future readers here I suppose. For the rest of us, there's always speculation.

Quoting myself:

And the change is apparently upon the markets. Like I speculated before, 1-2 years for this homeostatic drop to finish and stabilize after its rise. Then we can perhaps see and live an economy where greed doesn't control market forces while ensuring all can access the market and benefit from it equally in chance.

Bumpy.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

If it's not Obama's fault yet, please give us a date when it is plausible to say it's his fault. That day is sure to come.

it will never come in vj.

Sure it will. It's just idiotic that it is the center of attention now. If some of these people here really think we are in this economic mess becasuse of the current President and not because of what has happened the past few years, they are brainless. The day may come when all these naysayers have their wish. Obama is responsible for what he owns in this. And if it fails, he will be judged accordingly.

i'll believe that when i see someone put a date down. so far i've not seen anyone do that.

Not many future readers here I suppose. For the rest of us, there's always speculation.

Quoting myself:

And the change is apparently upon the markets. Like I speculated before, 1-2 years for this homeostatic drop to finish and stabilize after its rise. Then we can perhaps see and live an economy where greed doesn't control market forces while ensuring all can access the market and benefit from it equally in chance.

Bumpy.

I really think it will take more than 6 months to have a good indication which way the stimulus and other programs are heading. Maybe in 6 months there will be a bit of preliminary info, but who knows. Some peolpe act like the crisis started 2 months ago. That mentality is a large part of the reason why we are where we are today.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Not many future readers here I suppose. For the rest of us, there's always speculation.

Quoting myself:

And the change is apparently upon the markets. Like I speculated before, 1-2 years for this homeostatic drop to finish and stabilize after its rise. Then we can perhaps see and live an economy where greed doesn't control market forces while ensuring all can access the market and benefit from it equally in chance.

Bumpy.

ho·me·o·sta·sis n. The ability or tendency of an organism or cell to maintain internal equilibrium by adjusting its physiological processes. home·o·static adj.

It's alive! The economy! It's alive!

So, after one to two years, the problem solves itself. Only then, when the economy is booming, we can start to hold Obama accountable! Pfffft!

[HAL 9000 96]

Not many future readers here I suppose. For the rest of us, there's always speculation.

Quoting myself:

And the change is apparently upon the markets. Like I speculated before, 1-2 years for this homeostatic drop to finish and stabilize after its rise. Then we can perhaps see and live an economy where greed doesn't control market forces while ensuring all can access the market and benefit from it equally in chance.

Bumpy.

ho·me·o·sta·sis n. The ability or tendency of an organism or cell to maintain internal equilibrium by adjusting its physiological processes. home·o·static adj.

It's alive! The economy! It's alive!

So, after one to two years, the problem solves itself. Only then, when the economy is booming, we can start to hold Obama accountable! Pfffft!

More like a monster.

Didn't say the problem would solve itself. As you may have noticed from the actual biological definition of homeostasis... this isn't a static process. Many things 'do stuff' to elicit particular directed responses.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

If it's not Obama's fault yet, please give us a date when it is plausible to say it's his fault. That day is sure to come.

it will never come in vj.

Sure it will. It's just idiotic that it is the center of attention now. If some of these people here really think we are in this economic mess becasuse of the current President and not because of what has happened the past few years, they are brainless. The day may come when all these naysayers have their wish. Obama is responsible for what he owns in this. And if it fails, he will be judged accordingly.

i'll believe that when i see someone put a date down. so far i've not seen anyone do that.

Not many future readers here I suppose. For the rest of us, there's always speculation.

Quoting myself:

And the change is apparently upon the markets. Like I speculated before, 1-2 years for this homeostatic drop to finish and stabilize after its rise. Then we can perhaps see and live an economy where greed doesn't control market forces while ensuring all can access the market and benefit from it equally in chance.

Bumpy.

I really think it will take more than 6 months to have a good indication which way the stimulus and other programs are heading. Maybe in 6 months there will be a bit of preliminary info, but who knows. Some peolpe act like the crisis started 2 months ago. That mentality is a large part of the reason why we are where we are today.

5 months ago. Bush was a lame duck President. The first 1000 point drop belongs to AIG. Beginning in October, the DJIA tracked the election polls, and began nosediving in earnest after the election.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Not many future readers here I suppose. For the rest of us, there's always speculation.

Quoting myself:

And the change is apparently upon the markets. Like I speculated before, 1-2 years for this homeostatic drop to finish and stabilize after its rise. Then we can perhaps see and live an economy where greed doesn't control market forces while ensuring all can access the market and benefit from it equally in chance.

Bumpy.

ho·me·o·sta·sis n. The ability or tendency of an organism or cell to maintain internal equilibrium by adjusting its physiological processes. home·o·static adj.

It's alive! The economy! It's alive!

So, after one to two years, the problem solves itself. Only then, when the economy is booming, we can start to hold Obama accountable! Pfffft!

Scary if that is what you really think. You think this just happened since Obama was elected. There is a little bit more to the economy than the Dow average.

Edited March 4, 2009 by spookyturtle

[HAL 9000 96]

If it's not Obama's fault yet, please give us a date when it is plausible to say it's his fault. That day is sure to come.

it will never come in vj.

Sure it will. It's just idiotic that it is the center of attention now. If some of these people here really think we are in this economic mess becasuse of the current President and not because of what has happened the past few years, they are brainless. The day may come when all these naysayers have their wish. Obama is responsible for what he owns in this. And if it fails, he will be judged accordingly.

i'll believe that when i see someone put a date down. so far i've not seen anyone do that.

Not many future readers here I suppose. For the rest of us, there's always speculation.

Quoting myself:

And the change is apparently upon the markets. Like I speculated before, 1-2 years for this homeostatic drop to finish and stabilize after its rise. Then we can perhaps see and live an economy where greed doesn't control market forces while ensuring all can access the market and benefit from it equally in chance.

Bumpy.

I really think it will take more than 6 months to have a good indication which way the stimulus and other programs are heading. Maybe in 6 months there will be a bit of preliminary info, but who knows. Some peolpe act like the crisis started 2 months ago. That mentality is a large part of the reason why we are where we are today.

5 months ago. Bush was a lame duck President. The first 1000 point drop belongs to AIG. Beginning in October, the DJIA tracked the election polls, and began nosediving in earnest after the election.

I though you knew how to read market graphs.

In the long run it all amounts to what we want:

1. The same free market with the same methodology of doing business, susceptible to the same ups/downs as this latest freefall.

2. A free market that is designed to not drag entire economies down with it.

I have a feeling Obama is trying to help design a free market that is truly free and not attached to our (or anyone else's) belly button by the umbilical cord known as greed and unregulated stupidity. Heck... even Republicans would agree on that one.

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

It's alive! The economy! It's alive!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

5 months ago. Bush was a lame duck President. The first 1000 point drop belongs to AIG. Beginning in October, the DJIA tracked the election polls, and began nosediving in earnest after the election.

Bush was a lame duck when you elected him.

[NickD 203]

This is from my servers home page, can't provide a link.

"

NEW YORK (AP) — The stock market is showing some signs of life as investors find a few glimmers of hope for an economic turnaround.

The market rallied Wednesday after a week of heavy selling on word of a possible Chinese economic stimulus package and an Obama administration plan to help struggling homeowners. A slightly better-than-expected report on the services sector also helped push stocks higher. All the major indexes rose more than 1.5 percent.

The market's advance was not surprising following a week of unrelenting selling that has left the major indexes plunging to levels not seen in more than a decade.

"Virtually everyone was expecting some sort of a bounce, we just didn't know exactly when that would occur," said Randy Frederick, director of trading and derivatives at Charles Schwab. "You can't go down forever."

Still, the market's tone was more positive and allowed some bargain hunting. Investors were encouraged by details of a government program designed to help as many as 9 million borrowers stay in their homes through refinanced mortgages or loans that are modified to lower monthly payments.

Wall Street also followed the lead of overseas markets, which rallied amid optimism over a possible Chinese economic stimulus plan. Prices for oil and other commodities climbed amid the enthusiasm over China.

Meanwhile, the Institute for Supply Management, a trade group of purchasing executives, said its services index fell to 41.6 last month from 42.9 in January. The number was slightly above Wall Street's estimate of 41. Any reading above 50 signals growth, while a reading below 50 indicates contraction.

Investors also are awaiting the Federal Reserve's beige book, an assessment of the economy by region, to be released later Wednesday.

In early afternoon trading, the Dow Jones industrial average rose 113.90, or 1.69 percent, to 6,839.92. The Standard & Poor's 500 index added 11.50, or 1.65 percent, to 707.83, while the Nasdaq composite index gained 27.79, or 2.10 percent, to 1,348.80."

[NickD 203]

From the above, apparently the investors are not investing that is causing the stock market to plunge. Therefore the investors must have all the money in this country if they can turn the stock market around. Could be a scam by them to sell when the market was higher, then buy when it fell apart.

What, no comments by the skeptics?

[Jasman0717 9]

Finally, an up day for a change