Rooting For the President to Fail

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its a tricky one really. I mean you can certainly wish the president to fail on certain areas of policy - but as far as the economy goes, wishing failure on the administration in the middle of a deep recession is obviously going to directly impact the well-being of the country - and is in that sense somewhat unpatriotic.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

again disagreeing with someone and wanting them to fail or two different things

In context of government policies, not so. Personally, I'm not that magnanimous, nor is my thinking that compartmentalized (maybe that's why I'm not a lib). Anyone who is serious about their political/fiscal views doesn't distinquish between disagreement and wanting the opposition's goals to fail. This is not mind-reading. It's not that hard to see that the open border policies, universal heatlh care, wealth distribution, identity politics, and the entitlement handout mentality of the Obama administration are disasterous for the country. I want him to fail, too, since there is no way I want this country to fail. My first loyalty is with the country and its future success, not with Barry and his legacy.

Edited March 1, 2009 by Virtual wife

[Danno 1,228]

Look Obama was the most Liberal Senator, so far he has not strayed from that agenda, why would any Conservative who cares about people and his country want that to Succeed?

[Marilyn. 340]

Look Obama was the most Liberal Senator, so far he has not strayed from that agenda, why would any Conservative who cares about people and his country want that to Succeed?

so are you saying that the Conservative way is the best and only way to run the country??

[HAL 9000 96]

whine on anything but substance. priceless.

[dalegg 143]

Look Obama was the most Liberal Senator, so far he has not strayed from that agenda, why would any Conservative who cares about people and his country want that to Succeed?

I guess my thing is that I'm hoping I'm wrong. It is my belief that his approach is bad, but I can't say that I absolutely know it. He doesn't present his plan as trying to create lower wages and more unemployment. He presents his plan as creating stability and less poverty. If his plan does happen to do that then its success. If he creates a country where he has created more stability, but people are dependent on the government more for their survival, then I don't call that success and I suppose then I would root for him to fail.

[HAL 9000 96]

I think that is way oversimplified, Dale.

Perhaps we should just let the whinefest continue until Obama has had enough time to enact his policies. Then when we, most likely, see that he doesn't in fact create a welfare state, or a big brother state (that we already have thanks to recent administration politics), it will be eerily reminiscient of how some whined on the campaign trail about Obama being X, Y, and Z just to score fear points.

Then... if Obama really does create a welfare state... 'and the poor are no longer poor, but depending on the government' (whatever that means)... can we all come together and agree on how much of a failure Obama was. Then... since that would be such a horrible thing for the nation... we would see voters in droves voting for someone completely the opposite. Since apparently the only measure of success is for Americans to be completely independent entities... meaning that all have upwards mobility as long as you either have a silver spoon from birth or work yourself to delirium/ill health (which won't be covered by your health plan) or simply just get lucky. We can have some of that.

Now lets all pitch in because Tuesday's MegaMillions is 212 Million.

[Danno 1,228]

Look Obama was the most Liberal Senator, so far he has not strayed from that agenda, why would any Conservative who cares about people and his country want that to Succeed?

so are you saying that the Conservative way is the best and only way to run the country??

It is according to my view point in what the roll of Gov't is

However, I know folks in Russia who long for the good-old days of Communism. To them SECURITY is worth far more than freedom.

If you believe in a huge Federal Govt... and you believe answers come from there ...then of course you want Obama to succeed. I respect that.

BUt I don't so why should I be expected to wish Obama success in doing things that "I see" as harmful to this country?

[Marilyn. 340]

I think there needs to be a bit of both to run the country, not one or the other

[Niels Bohr 72]

Rooting the president to fail is another way of neglecting our own ability to fix mistakes and just bring needless blame. Such hostility brings intimidation, and disregard to authority. Not only it's not helping the US as whole as far as advancement, it's just go on and burden people with negativity than anything else.

Thinking positive is a way to stop thinking about giving up. It's the way success comes about. Those Republican who have not a clue that failure bring success will always think negatively. To work together is to think of solutions to problems not bring problems to solutions. If the Republicans have better ideas, then bring it out. Sure, the stimulus may not work. But, we know that it will slow the recession giving the US more time to think through the regulation regarding mortgages, finance, etc...

[HAL 9000 96]

Look Obama was the most Liberal Senator, so far he has not strayed from that agenda, why would any Conservative who cares about people and his country want that to Succeed?

so are you saying that the Conservative way is the best and only way to run the country??

It is according to my view point in what the roll of Gov't is

However, I know folks in Russia who long for the good-old days of Communism. To them SECURITY is worth far more than freedom.

If you believe in a huge Federal Govt... and you believe answers come from there ...then of course you want Obama to succeed. I respect that.

BUt I don't so why should I be expected to wish Obama success in doing things that "I see" as harmful to this country?

Seems like Bushfan logic to me.

Like I said... lets see what transpires beyond the obvious whinefest.

Rooting the president to fail is another way of neglecting our own ability to fix mistakes and just bring needless blame. Such hostility brings intimidation, and disregard to authority. Not only it's not helping the US as whole as far as advancement, it's just go on and burden people with negativity than anything else.

Thinking positive is a way to stop thinking about giving up. It's the way success comes about. Those Republican who have not a clue that failure bring success will always think negatively. To work together is to think of solutions to problems not bring problems to solutions. If the Republicans have better ideas, then bring it out. Sure, the stimulus may not work. But, we know that it will slow the recession giving the US more time to think through the regulation regarding mortgages, finance, etc...

If the Republicans had better ideas and proposals, then McCain would be president now.

[Danno 1,228]

Look Obama was the most Liberal Senator, so far he has not strayed from that agenda, why would any Conservative who cares about people and his country want that to Succeed?

so are you saying that the Conservative way is the best and only way to run the country??

It is according to my view point in what the roll of Gov't is

However, I know folks in Russia who long for the good-old days of Communism. To them SECURITY is worth far more than freedom.

If you believe in a huge Federal Govt... and you believe answers come from there ...then of course you want Obama to succeed. I respect that.

BUt I don't so why should I be expected to wish Obama success in doing things that "I see" as harmful to this country?

Seems like Bushfan logic to me.

Like I said... lets see what transpires beyond the obvious whinefest.

Rooting the president to fail is another way of neglecting our own ability to fix mistakes and just bring needless blame. Such hostility brings intimidation, and disregard to authority. Not only it's not helping the US as whole as far as advancement, it's just go on and burden people with negativity than anything else.

Thinking positive is a way to stop thinking about giving up. It's the way success comes about. Those Republican who have not a clue that failure bring success will always think negatively. To work together is to think of solutions to problems not bring problems to solutions. If the Republicans have better ideas, then bring it out. Sure, the stimulus may not work. But, we know that it will slow the recession giving the US more time to think through the regulation regarding mortgages, finance, etc...

If the Republicans had better ideas and proposals, then McCain would be president now.

McCain? He was your guy not mine (at least before the election).

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

If the Republicans had better ideas and proposals, then McCain would be president now.

There is the problem, we thought we had a choice between continueing Bush's failed economiic police, or voting for someone who proposed to change direction. Who knew what we really had was a Hobson's choise.

[HAL 9000 96]

Look Obama was the most Liberal Senator, so far he has not strayed from that agenda, why would any Conservative who cares about people and his country want that to Succeed?

so are you saying that the Conservative way is the best and only way to run the country??

It is according to my view point in what the roll of Gov't is

However, I know folks in Russia who long for the good-old days of Communism. To them SECURITY is worth far more than freedom.

If you believe in a huge Federal Govt... and you believe answers come from there ...then of course you want Obama to succeed. I respect that.

BUt I don't so why should I be expected to wish Obama success in doing things that "I see" as harmful to this country?

Seems like Bushfan logic to me.

Like I said... lets see what transpires beyond the obvious whinefest.

Rooting the president to fail is another way of neglecting our own ability to fix mistakes and just bring needless blame. Such hostility brings intimidation, and disregard to authority. Not only it's not helping the US as whole as far as advancement, it's just go on and burden people with negativity than anything else.

Thinking positive is a way to stop thinking about giving up. It's the way success comes about. Those Republican who have not a clue that failure bring success will always think negatively. To work together is to think of solutions to problems not bring problems to solutions. If the Republicans have better ideas, then bring it out. Sure, the stimulus may not work. But, we know that it will slow the recession giving the US more time to think through the regulation regarding mortgages, finance, etc...

If the Republicans had better ideas and proposals, then McCain would be president now.

McCain? He was your guy not mine (at least before the election).

Live with the fact that he was the Republican nominee.

If the Republicans had better ideas and proposals, then McCain would be president now.

There is the problem, we thought we had a choice between continueing Bush's failed economiic police, or voting for someone who proposed to change direction. Who knew what we really had was a Hobson's choise.

Like I told Danno.

Whinefest and all... it really IS too early to cry foul.

[alienlovechild 75]

Perhaps we should just let the whinefest continue until Obama has had enough time to enact his policies. Then when we, most likely, see that he doesn't in fact create a welfare state, or a big brother state (that we already have thanks to recent administration politics), it will be eerily reminiscient of how some whined on the campaign trail about Obama being X, Y, and Z just to score fear points.

It's getting too late even to whine. Obama has already the government to spending billions on things which have nothing to do a stimulus package. His goal of universal health care is a fine example. You're right that the welfare is already here but there's little history of the government cutting programs. Obama promised he'd cut waste and fraud and has cut nothing that I know of.

The anti-Bush people wanted others to oppose his policies and that was ok because it's nature to have some political opposition. Now have Obama and there's concerted effort to silence any talk about how billions of dollars are being spent. It's Un-American to hope disasterous economic policies fail so we can pursue a different course of action.

Take a page from the Dem playbook. The GOP should shut up and support Obama no matter what he says or does and then later recant claiming Obama duped them with phony economic projections.