Russian Internal passport renewal

[chili74 0]

I am reposting my essay from another thread in a new topic, hoping it is now more concise and I get a reply! (yes, this is how I spend Saturday night!)

Question to the current Russian citizens who have turned 45 years of age. My husband is faced with needing a new internal passport soon and we are wondering if you could tell us your experience of getting it. I assume it must be done in Russia. What was the process and how long did it take? Any trouble exiting Russia or getting back into the USA?

Thank you.

[Satellite 1]

My wife has had her internal Russian passport since the age of 16. I am sure it should have been changed when she got married and when she reaches some other age group. But who cares, since she lives in the US, seeks no benefits in Russia and when she does travel nobody bothers her because she enters and leaves on her external passport which she renews every 5 years here in the US.

If you want that internal passport changed, go to Russia, and good luck on waiting times.

[chili74 0]

Thanks, Satellite, for sharing your wife's experience. I am glad she has had no trouble.

I guess the question is whether one's external passport has, like my husband's (received in the US), a stamp ("internal passport bears no record that external passport was issued"). He was given info at the Consulate to the effect that when your external passport bears such a stamp, then upon arrival in Russia, you must take some action with the 2 passports, where and how long it takes, we don't know. Otherwise he will be unable to leave Russia with his Russian external passport.

[side note: my husband did not leave on ПМЖ (permanent residence abroad). If someone did leave on ПМЖ, all this will not apply.]

[Neonred 3,609]

My wife renewed her external passport about a year and a half ago here in the US. She is not registered as a permanent resident abroad. Shortly after receiving the new passport we traveled back to Russia. One of the things we tried to do was get her a new internal passport reflecting her new name. We had all the necessary documents, translated and apostiled, but there was a problem. At some office they did not like the marriage certificate because it has her old name and my name but not her "new" married name even though her new passport issued by the Russian embassy had the notation that in the US she is also known as.... We finally gave up as we just didn't see the point in wasting a lot of time to change the internal passport. We had no problems leaving Russia. I don't recall them ever looking at her internal passport when exiting Russia.

Now that I think about it I believe on her first trip to the US using the K-1, she left her internal passport in Russia with her daughter.

[chili74 0]

Neonred- thanks. I hear that in Russia, the wedding is when you make the decision to change your surname, so maybe that explains why that office was surprised not to see her new "married" name on your marriage certificate. Yet again, the 2 systems do not mesh.

QUOTE: I don't recall them ever looking at her internal passport when exiting Russia.

Of course not. According to the paper given at the Consulate, when you are leaving Russia + they look at your EXTERNAL passport, that notation on p. 3 of the external passport needs to be annulled. (This may be something new, husband just got the new external passport a couple months ago)

I guess my question is not so much about renewing the internal passport, but: what happens when you enter Russia with the notation my husband has on page 3 of his external passport? Do you have to reconcile the 2 passports? We cannot afford for this to take a month or more.

[Satellite 1]

I guess the question is whether one's external passport has, like my husband's (received in the US), a stamp ("internal passport bears no record that external passport was issued"). He was given info at the Consulate to the effect that when your external passport bears such a stamp, then upon arrival in Russia, you must take some action with the 2 passports, where and how long it takes, we don't know. Otherwise he will be unable to leave Russia with his Russian external passport.

[side note: my husband did not leave on ПМЖ (permanent residence abroad). If someone did leave on ПМЖ, all this will not apply.]

This is starting to make more sense. In our situation my wife purposely got the stamp in the internal passport as well as a letter stating she is going to reside abroad permanently. With that she registered at the Russian consulate in San Francsico and has had no problems. My advise would be to do the same when he arrives in Russia.

[chili74 0]

I see. Thank you!

[chili74 0]

I found it discussed here: one says she was able to leave St. P even without having gotten the stamp annulled, so "don't worry about it," but overall, it isn't especially convincing.

http://forum.awd.ru/viewtopic.php?t=48191&...82cbe109242867d

[Elena Elena 0]

Hi!

On the web-page russian consulate in NY you can find information what must be done when you enter Russia with your new passport (about that stamp). I heard it is not a big problem and thay do it surprisingly fast.

http://www.ruscon.org/pass_dep_RUS.html

"По возвращении в Россию владельцы новых загранпаспортов, выданных за границей, должны обратиться в КД МИД России (г. Москва, 1-ый Неопалимовский пер., д.12, станции метро “Смоленская” или “Парк Культуры”) либо в Представительство МИД России по месту жительства для проставления отметки о выдаче ЗП во внутреннем паспорте и аннулирования записи "Отметка о выдаче загранпаспорта во внутреннем паспорте не произведена". В ЗП должен быть также проставлен скрепленный печатью КД МИД России штамп "Отметка о выдаче загранпаспорта во внутреннем паспорте произведена".