I am really upset at people marrying on VWP!!!!!!

[miss g 1]

this last year we have waited to be together, its been really hard, first i had a miscarriage, his fams who are religious kicked off about that werent happy we were "sinners", we both got depressed because it was really hard on us, it was probably the worst time of my life and sometimes i wonder how i got thru it all.. and yeah.. i could have just got married.. we talked about it, thought we were going to do it in march.. but we decided to do it properly.. having put all the effort tears and having had to work on our selves emotionally and financially.. i think the waiting is a good thing.. its not easy, its not great.. but if you can get past all these hurdles you know that you both love each other, you know that you are both commited to each other.. and thats why its better not to "cheat" the system

Edited February 19, 2009 by miss g

[Chica Yeyé 41]

this last year we have waited to be together, its been really hard, first i had a miscarriage, his fams who are religious kicked off about that werent happy we were "sinners", we both got depressed because it was really hard on us, it was probably the worst time of my life and sometimes i wonder how i got thru it all.. and yeah.. i could have just got married.. we talked about it, thought we were going to do it in march.. but we decided to do it properly.. having put all the effort tears and having had to work on our selves emotionally and financially.. i think the waiting is a good thing.. its not easy, its not great.. but if you can get past all these hurdles you know that you both love each other, you know that you are both commited to each other.. and thats why its better not to "cheat" the system

[ThaitoUSA 15]

My friend, I understand your frustration. Having been apart from my fiancée for a couple of years now has been difficult. The additional months that this process adds to that can be frustrating! But there is no need to have anger toward anyone. Their dishonesty shall return unto them. Trust that karma shall take care of them, as it does us. We are blessed to have this chance to even get this! Can't wait till we're together!!

Take heart for all of us, brothers and sisters, are making the journey.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

I'd spend less time and energy worrying about what other people do.

Adjusting from VWP isn't a walk in the park and presents many of its own problems and anxieties. The system is not equitable and never has been. People who are in love are denied, people whose marriages are clearly fraudulent somehow sail through. People from certain countries are granted work visas, others have a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting green cards, and for random reasons. None of it is fair, and little of it makes sense. I feel lucky that the immigration process is fairly straightforward for marriage visas (incidentally, my husband's AOS took two years). Imagine if it took 5 years or more to reunite with a spouse, or if the US didn't issue family-based visas at all.

I've yet to figure out why people get their panties in a wad over this.

[cdneh 3,112]

You have the right to be upset about anything you want. However, this is a public forum dealing with immigration. Marrying on the VWP is legal. If you want to complain about something illegal here, please use a description of something illegal instead of something legal.

Just so. Nothing underhanded, or illegal, or fradulent about it for those people who do not intend to marry when they visit, and can stay and adjust.

The 'we did it the right way' nonsense is just that...nonsense. If your circumstance permits, why under God's heaven would you not avoid being separated for months on end? If you SO doesn't come from a VWP country...well that's unfortunate, isn't it. But it is hardly fraud on behalf of those that do. It doesn't make them wrong, or queue jumpers or any of the other names being bandied about. It makes them lucky.

[notime4haterz 0]

Am I the only person honest who tries not to jump the system?

I was reading the forum about adjustment of status and I found out that many people take advange of the VWP!

I have been several times in the US to visit my boyfriend with the Visa Waiver Program but it never came in my mind to cheat the system getting married and adjusting my status there.

I am suffering now being away from my love but I know this is the right way to do things. I just started my journey and the day I will be again with my love is very far!

As a citizen of a country partecipating at the VWP I am upset for all the people who need a visa to go to the State and us....lucky people...we jump the system. Maybe I should say that I am stupid because I had the opportunity to stay in the US with my love and instead I chose the honest way....

Yeah, you're the only person in the whole world who comes from a visa waiver country and did things the "right" way - and had to spend a long time waiting for your husband...

[Alex & Rachel 78]

I don't think that marrying on the VWP is necessarily easier or less stressful.

Were I to do it all over again a thousand times, I'd still go for doing the K1 visa every time.

All marrying on the VWP does is cut down on time spent apart - and unless your case is exceptional, you are only waiting a few months at most. I think the time we spent apart was actually quite good for our relationship; yes, it sucked at times, but it also made us much stronger.

If I'd married on the VWP I think I'd have found things hugely stressful. I'd have had to spring an unpleasant surprise on my family - they'd have been extremely hurt at being left out of the plans. I'd have had to inform my boss, and I'd have had to probably forfeit several months' of rent. I'd have probably lost friends and I'd have had to organise shipping my belongings and closing down bank accounts, etc., from a distance. Oh, and you'll face extra scrutiny at AOS, too. I certainly don't think marrying on the VWP is as easy as some people are suggesting.

[When2RNLove 6]

Am I the only person honest who tries not to jump the system?

I was reading the forum about adjustment of status and I found out that many people take advange of the VWP!

I have been several times in the US to visit my boyfriend with the Visa Waiver Program but it never came in my mind to cheat the system getting married and adjusting my status there.

I am suffering now being away from my love but I know this is the right way to do things. I just started my journey and the day I will be again with my love is very far!

As a citizen of a country partecipating at the VWP I am upset for all the people who need a visa to go to the State and us....lucky people...we jump the system. Maybe I should say that I am stupid because I had the opportunity to stay in the US with my love and instead I chose the honest way....

Marrying on the VWP is perfectly legal. Entering on the VWP with the intention to BOTH marry and immigrate is where you break the rules. Marry and go home, no problem. Already here when you decide to marry and stay, no problem. Already married and come to visit then plans and circumstances change and you stay, often OK.

Planning in advance of entry to circumvent immigration law is where people go astray. There are plenty of legitmate uses of the VWP or visitor visas that result in equally legitimate adjustments to LPR status. Before you get angry about others breaking the rules, make sure you KNOW the rules.

I dont think the poster was confused about it push.

Let's face it. Everyone knows its splitting hairs...intent, not intent.

If you come, bags packed...everything "tied up" at home and then try to say you "had no intentions" youre full of it.

I dont think any logical person can disagree there.

I so agree with your comments. Right on the money. These people well know ####### they are doing.

[cdneh 3,112]

Am I the only person honest who tries not to jump the system?

I was reading the forum about adjustment of status and I found out that many people take advange of the VWP!

I have been several times in the US to visit my boyfriend with the Visa Waiver Program but it never came in my mind to cheat the system getting married and adjusting my status there.

I am suffering now being away from my love but I know this is the right way to do things. I just started my journey and the day I will be again with my love is very far!

As a citizen of a country partecipating at the VWP I am upset for all the people who need a visa to go to the State and us....lucky people...we jump the system. Maybe I should say that I am stupid because I had the opportunity to stay in the US with my love and instead I chose the honest way....

Marrying on the VWP is perfectly legal. Entering on the VWP with the intention to BOTH marry and immigrate is where you break the rules. Marry and go home, no problem. Already here when you decide to marry and stay, no problem. Already married and come to visit then plans and circumstances change and you stay, often OK.

Planning in advance of entry to circumvent immigration law is where people go astray. There are plenty of legitmate uses of the VWP or visitor visas that result in equally legitimate adjustments to LPR status. Before you get angry about others breaking the rules, make sure you KNOW the rules.

I dont think the poster was confused about it push.

Let's face it. Everyone knows its splitting hairs...intent, not intent.

If you come, bags packed...everything "tied up" at home and then try to say you "had no intentions" youre full of it.

I dont think any logical person can disagree there.

I so agree with your comments. Right on the money. These people well know ####### they are doing.

That's untrue. Blatantly untrue. That is not the case for every person that ever got married and adjusted.

[Sinergy 3]

i didnt realize VJ became the site for whining. everyone on this site has spent x amount of time away from their spouse, some longer, some shorter, attacking ppl bc they did it thru the VWP is wrong, being upset about it is your right.

ppl should stop the "omg its not fair, USCIS hates us, God hates us"..life isnt fair, when that is accepted, your life will work better

[himher 634]

I would give this up. This is an old war on VJ lol...... All you are going to do is get the mods with spouses from Canada, Europe, and Australia mad at you and they will eventually cancel your account just from spite. I know this from personal experience. Is it wrong? yes. It pisses me off every time I see the thinly worded suggestion 'be sure you can show you didn't "intend" to get married'.....The long and short of it, the way things are now, it is easier to prove "non-intent to marry at entry" than it is to prove "proof of valid relationship" and legally follow the immigration process in the first place. Anyone who came in as a visitor and just "decided to get married" and stayed here didn't have enough ties to their home country to qualify for a visitor's visa in the first place. Its still the good ole USA. "White" countries enjoy a higher level of immigration benefits than "brown" countries. Until that changes and everyone is "equal under the law" (that's another laugh) then this loophole will continue to be exploited. Me? It isn't personal, but I'm all about sending VWP applicants' a$$ right back home to wait through the legal process (since they have "ties to their home countries" haha like jobs, etc) just like the rest of us had to wait. No ties, then they entered illegally to begin with, and they should be banned from entry or have to file waivers pay fines just like people from "brown" countries have to do.

Am I the only person honest who tries not to jump the system?

I was reading the forum about adjustment of status and I found out that many people take advange of the VWP!

I have been several times in the US to visit my boyfriend with the Visa Waiver Program but it never came in my mind to cheat the system getting married and adjusting my status there.

I am suffering now being away from my love but I know this is the right way to do things. I just started my journey and the day I will be again with my love is very far!

As a citizen of a country partecipating at the VWP I am upset for all the people who need a visa to go to the State and us....lucky people...we jump the system. Maybe I should say that I am stupid because I had the opportunity to stay in the US with my love and instead I chose the honest way....

[cdneh 3,112]

I would give this up. This is an old war on VJ lol...... All you are going to do is get the mods with spouses from Canada, Europe, and Australia mad at you and they will eventually cancel your account just from spite. I know this from personal experience. Is it wrong? yes. It pisses me off every time I see the thinly worded suggestion 'be sure you can show you didn't "intend" to get married'.....The long and short of it, the way things are now, it is easier to prove "non-intent to marry at entry" than it is to prove "proof of valid relationship" and legally follow the immigration process in the first place. Anyone who came in as a visitor and just "decided to get married" and stayed here didn't have enough ties to their home country to qualify for a visitor's visa in the first place. Its still the good ole USA. "White" countries enjoy a higher level of immigration benefits than "brown" countries. Until that changes and everyone is "equal under the law" (that's another laugh) then this loophole will continue to be exploited. Me? It isn't personal, but I'm all about sending VWP applicants' a$$ right back home to wait through the legal process (since they have "ties to their home countries" haha like jobs, etc) just like the rest of us had to wait. No ties, then they entered illegally to begin with, and they should be banned from entry or have to file waivers pay fines just like people from "brown" countries have to do.

Good lord..what a pack of nonsense.

[pushbrk 13,125]

I would give this up. This is an old war on VJ lol...... All you are going to do is get the mods with spouses from Canada, Europe, and Australia mad at you and they will eventually cancel your account just from spite. I know this from personal experience. Is it wrong? yes. It pisses me off every time I see the thinly worded suggestion 'be sure you can show you didn't "intend" to get married'.....The long and short of it, the way things are now, it is easier to prove "non-intent to marry at entry" than it is to prove "proof of valid relationship" and legally follow the immigration process in the first place. Anyone who came in as a visitor and just "decided to get married" and stayed here didn't have enough ties to their home country to qualify for a visitor's visa in the first place. Its still the good ole USA. "White" countries enjoy a higher level of immigration benefits than "brown" countries. Until that changes and everyone is "equal under the law" (that's another laugh) then this loophole will continue to be exploited. Me? It isn't personal, but I'm all about sending VWP applicants' a$$ right back home to wait through the legal process (since they have "ties to their home countries" haha like jobs, etc) just like the rest of us had to wait. No ties, then they entered illegally to begin with, and they should be banned from entry or have to file waivers pay fines just like people from "brown" countries have to do.

Good lord..what a pack of nonsense.

As one who brought my wife here from China where there was no way she could obtain permission to visit the US, I see this as nonsense too.

So, is China a "yellow country"?

[himher 634]

bleh......As one who brought my wife here from Asia as well (and there was NF way the standards of "ties to home country" were equally applied to her aka there was NF way she could have gotten a visit to the US and given the opportunity to subvert the immigration process either) I respectfully submit that this is not nonsense. Histrionic and exaggerated statements of offended sensitivities, although cleverly effective at diverting a discussion from the issue at hand, do not change the facts of the issue.

I would give this up. This is an old war on VJ lol...... All you are going to do is get the mods with spouses from Canada, Europe, and Australia mad at you and they will eventually cancel your account just from spite. I know this from personal experience. Is it wrong? yes. It pisses me off every time I see the thinly worded suggestion 'be sure you can show you didn't "intend" to get married'.....The long and short of it, the way things are now, it is easier to prove "non-intent to marry at entry" than it is to prove "proof of valid relationship" and legally follow the immigration process in the first place. Anyone who came in as a visitor and just "decided to get married" and stayed here didn't have enough ties to their home country to qualify for a visitor's visa in the first place. Its still the good ole USA. "White" countries enjoy a higher level of immigration benefits than "brown" countries. Until that changes and everyone is "equal under the law" (that's another laugh) then this loophole will continue to be exploited. Me? It isn't personal, but I'm all about sending VWP applicants' a$$ right back home to wait through the legal process (since they have "ties to their home countries" haha like jobs, etc) just like the rest of us had to wait. No ties, then they entered illegally to begin with, and they should be banned from entry or have to file waivers pay fines just like people from "brown" countries have to do.

Good lord..what a pack of nonsense.

As one who brought my wife here from China where there was no way she could obtain permission to visit the US, I see this as nonsense too.

So, is China a "yellow country"?

[himher 634]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;#entry2667948

(laughing) Here's one for the books..........."you're not breaking any rule if you didnt 'intend' to marry" <wink><wink>