Muslim who had hoped to portray Muslims in a possitive light, beheads wife.

[AlHayatZween 2]

You are right in your post. If this man beheaded his wife, it was, IMO, for no other reason than she betrayed him for filing for a divorce. Muslim women have decades to go before they get equal rights with men. It does not matter that they live in a free country, the religion will always force their culture.

Yes, i agree...

Domestic violence is a crime that does not discriminate among race, culture, or creed.

[Peikko 1,575]

MS. CLEO don't get get me wrong, I personally have great respect for the Muslim faith. I don't agree with all their beliefs but the Western world(Christianity) owes the Muslim faith a lot! We wouldn't have the developments in math, science and technology that we have now if it hadn't been for our Muslim brothers ingenuity throughout early history. Most great advances came as the result of Europeans taking knowledge from Muslims and improving on it. The whole Industrial Revolution is a result of Muslim ideas adapted to industry. Irrigation, construction, Ect.

It would just be helpful to differentiate between the religion and those who use religion for dirty purposes. This has happened with christianity as well, and could still happen if people accept these attempts to paint others from differing faiths or indeed those who have no religious belief as unacceptable and evil, more likely to do this or that wicked deed. It's astonishing that this still goes on.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

You are right in your post. If this man beheaded his wife, it was, IMO, for no other reason than she betrayed him for filing for a divorce. Muslim women have decades to go before they get equal rights with men. It does not matter that they live in a free country, the religion will always force their culture.

Yes, i agree...

Domestic violence is a crime that does not discriminate among race, culture, or creed.

Yeah I remember a few years ago Nampa, Idaho was in the national news for a Hispanic man that beheaded his estranged wife. Same thing happened she filed for divorce and a restraining order he got her at their old house in the garage and beheaded her and then put her head in the back of his truck. He had a psychosis and ran a red light hitting a car with a woman and her two daughters all of whom died at the scene except the man. The police found the wife's decapitated head on the road because it flew out of the truck. At first they thought it was part of the accident until they found out the more sinister truth that it was a hispanic family domestic violence. That man killed several people that day. He said he ran the light and hit the car because he wanted to die. After that the television show COPS came to town to do a show which they've never done before.

Edited February 16, 2009 by Far2Long

[MMW 2]

MS. CLEO don't get get me wrong, I personally have great respect for the Muslim faith. I don't agree with all their beliefs but the Western world(Christianity) owes the Muslim faith a lot! We wouldn't have the developments in math, science and technology that we have now if it hadn't been for our Muslim brothers ingenuity throughout early history. Most great advances came as the result of Europeans taking knowledge from Muslims and improving on it. The whole Industrial Revolution is a result of Muslim ideas adapted to industry. Irrigation, construction, Ect.

It would just be helpful to differentiate between the religion and those who use religion for dirty purposes. This has happened with christianity as well, and could still happen if people accept these attempts to paint others from differing faiths or indeed those who have no religious belief as unacceptable and evil, more likely to do this or that wicked deed. It's astonishing that this still goes on.

I agree with you as far as the perverse way religion is used to sway public opinion but also extremism does exist in all kinds of faith but the topic was about the domestic violence being associated with Muslims and we were pointing out that culturally speaking violence towards women is tolerated by many in the Muslim community as a honor issue and not look at as domestic violence, but as punishment for dishonorable behavior.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Let's see a list of Muslim nations and their women's-rights:

• Saudi Arabia -- women's rights?
• Pakistan - attempted to model legal system off Saudi Arabia, and failed miserably; hudood ordinances promulgated by warcriminal Zia (1977-1988) still on books; abyssmal as big-picture
• Taliban regime in Afghanistan, 1996-2001 - abyssmal
• Iran -- since 1979, abyssmal (though not necessarily up to Canada/US even prior, definitely decline)

Note that Saudi Arabia specifically likes to consider itself (being self-appointed guardian of two most-holies) to be the model for Sharia--enough said!

You noted four Muslim nations, one of which our government turns a blind eye despite its human rights violations.

What about the 35 other nations where Islam is the religious majority?

(i agree with you that the Taliban is an abomination)

Correction--make that TWO (Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan).

In most of those, women's rights aren't exactly on level with US/Canada (admittedly, flaw in that--as most of the 35 are absolute dictatorships/monarchies)

[SaadBell 0]

Regardless of any Religion, getting your head cut off is not a pleasant way to go in my opinion. Totally freaks me out, how about that poor girl at Virginia Tech, guy comes in and cuts her head off, ####### is that about. Let me put it this way, this is one of my top ten ways I DON 'T WANT TO DIE!!! Nasty way to go, give me a drug overdose anytime, something that just let's me fall asleep. Here are my top ten ways I don't want to go out-

1. Beheaded
2. Burned alive
3. Buried alive
4. Falling off the top of a large building
5. Being crushed under a cement slab or boulder
6. Being eaten alive by some kind of animal
7. Nuclear catastrophe
8. Cut in half with a saw
9. Dragged behind a car at high speed
10. Tortured, raped, and disemboweled

There are more ways, but these are just some of the ways I would not like to happen to myself.

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Being a muslim is not an excuse to treat women like ######, even though this does seem to be the prevalent notion, particularly on this site.

it is not our viewpoint it is a fact in muslim culture that women are treated as property hence a muslim man can have more than one wife if he chooses women dont have that same option. Most Muslim countries dont allow a woman to own property. It is not a matter of what we think it is a matter of fact in the Muslim belief system.

So much BS, so little time.

1st - no, we aren't property.

Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has faith, verily to him will We give a new life that is good and pure, and We will bestow on such their reward according to the their actions. 16:97

Property can't do righteous work. Property isn't held responible for their actions. Property isn't rewarded for the good they do. Ergo, women are no property

2nd - women have held property rights since the time of the Prophet (saws). If some muslim nations don't allow this now (not that I can think of a single one that doesn't allow women to hold property), then they're going against the Messenger of God.

Is there room for improvement in muslim societies? Most definately. But is it the hell hole people make it out to be? Far from it.

[Danno 1,228]

........ you will not find is a link between his job as a promoter of better muslim relations and domestic violence. That is as I said, sloppy thinking.

This is no different than Jimmy Swaggert being caught with a hooker.

Both are news worthy and the hypocrisy is more interesting point than his Muslim faith.

Why must people ignore things just because they fit an unpleasant stereotype?

[Yoink 7]

So now that we have a bunch of Vjers here from Muslim countries... lets get

based on the article by OP... was it pertinent to say that the man who beheaded his wife was a muslim? Did the article give sufficient cause that this was an important fact?

Did his faith have a part in his actions?

Is this just randomn domestic violence by an outraged man?

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Let's not forget how Muslim nations think about education of women.

Generalize much? Certain segments of muslim society don't believe women should have access to education, but that's far from the norm.

Somehow, both my mother-in-law and sister-in-law managed to get advanced college degrees while living in a muslim society. Somehow my mother-in-law managed to rise to the level of minister in the egyptian government while living in a muslim society. Somehow, hundreds of malaysian muslim women came to the US to study at the same university I did.

Again, could the situation be better? Of course, and it's improving and inshaAllah will continue to improve. And again, it's not the hell hole you make it out to be.

[Peikko 1,575]

So now that we have a bunch of Vjers here from Muslim countries... lets get

based on the article by OP... was it pertinent to say that the man who beheaded his wife was a muslim? Did the article give sufficient cause that this was an important fact?

Did his faith have a part in his actions?

Is this just randomn domestic violence by an outraged man?

Yes.

[sara..... 371]

what this person did has made him into an animal, he is not doing this because of his religion thats some ####### to say that.

I am Muslim a fact i never hide.......i am not stopped from doing anything that i would like to do.........i have a better education than most the girls i went my last year of high school with in the USA......i my self made the choice to wear hijab........i have lived in many countries overseas including but not limited to pakistan........i have sisters and brothers there the only time most of them use shawl to cover their hair is when call of prayer comes of if an elder as in grandfather comes into the home to show respect for him its not forced...in some of the other countries yes u have to wear hijab in outside the home......i have the choice to marry who i want it is not forced........a man is not suppose to hit a women with anything that is hard it is a symbolic statement at the most......in islam if a women has her own property her husband and children can not take it from her..........what i earn i can keep for myself i do not have to give it to my husband........he can request for me to re frame from doing something that upsets him but as long as it is not hitting him or doing something like going with another man or equal to that he does not have the right to dictate to me.

the difference is that most people do not understand is we ourself make the choice to live as our religion requires us to.

it is our faith that keeps us living and worshiping as a muslim not our parents not our husbands not our friends

ok now u can flame me

sara

Edited February 16, 2009 by estadia

[tom&tata 2]

This kind of journalism is similar to the one's which was a big criminal news recently in Indonesia.

The headline in Indonesian news was "Homosexual man kills 7 people"

The headline in US news is "Muslim man beheads wife"

Same B/S, different country.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Regardless of any Religion, getting your head cut off is not a pleasant way to go in my opinion. Totally freaks me out, how about that poor girl at Virginia Tech, guy comes in and cuts her head off, ####### is that about. Let me put it this way, this is one of my top ten ways I DON 'T WANT TO DIE!!! Nasty way to go, give me a drug overdose anytime, something that just let's me fall asleep. Here are my top ten ways I don't want to go out-

1. Beheaded
2. Burned alive
3. Buried alive
4. Falling off the top of a large building
5. Being crushed under a cement slab or boulder
6. Being eaten alive by some kind of animal
7. Nuclear catastrophe
8. Cut in half with a saw
9. Dragged behind a car at high speed
10. Tortured, raped, and disemboweled

There are more ways, but these are just some of the ways I would not like to happen to myself.

Actually, on #6, there is at least the possibility that you will be close to explosion point enough to get incinerated in milli (at most, maybe micro or nano) seconds ( nevermind, that "possibility" comes only as version of #2)

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

It seems like it would take quite a bit of effort to cut someones head off (unless a sword were used), ..thats a lot of friggin anger man!

A sword wouldn't cut someone's head off. It'd most likely get halfway through and become lodged in the spinal column. Maybe a claymore might be able to do it, but it would require a massive amount of force.

An axe, however, could do it.

a chainsaw too, albeit a bit messy.

This is clearly typical and expected behavior, much like cannibalism in Brazil.

dear joyce:

is oral sex cannibalism?

signed: smiling

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