What were the first few things you learned to say in Russian, and why?

[amberdima 6]

from screwing your mother .........to pie........i love this forum............and i am late to answer the initial topic of this post.......but ja garrivitsu po-russkie ....newmalge......and i can read a little cyrillic.

and i bet other sub-forums....aren't as cool as this one!

We also talk about guns alot By the way, what is the best ladies gun for close-in self defense?

my gym's holding a self-defense course next week. we can teach vika to kick some #######

[sivad 0]

and the first word i learned was pojoustia,i used to manage a pizza hut,and right next door was a ukrainian coffee shop,they started me on the russian language,then rosetta stone took over............korska...sabacca...slon......loshadt

And thus why I don't recommend Rosetta Stone to anyone.

Welcome to the Russia forum, have some пирог.

Какой пирог?

[slim 1,523]

We also talk about guns alot By the way, what is the best ladies gun for close-in self defense?

By far, hands down, no question, best of the best................. 12ga. P-U-M-P! And it's the best gun for everyone when it comes to close-in self defense, not just the ladies. Several reasons for the 12ga. pump, most important being it's easy, it's big, and it's scary. It's also pretty cheap too! (And there's still ammo available for it. Trying to get ammo for your 9 or 40 right now? You'd have better luck getting a K-1 visa!)

Easy to operate, even in the dark. A good 5 minutes of training is all it takes and anyone can operate it, even the little ol' lady. It doesn't require a lot of fumbling around, aiming, etc. Just pump and squeeze.

It's big. Sure it's long and heavy (kind of like something else I'm used to toting around all day.....) but in this case, like all cases, no matter what she's told you in the past, size matters.

A shotgun will significantly increase the probability of hits on target, especially compared to a pistol. I don't know how many of my buddies have recently purchased guns for "home defense" and stupidly bought a .40cal Glock that they can barely hit the target with, even at 7 yards. Add a little adrenaline and a ton of fear, and they're going to miss every time. (There's a reason Glocks have 16 shot mags!) However, if they'd only pump the shotgun and squeeze, they would GUARANTEE hits on their targets at 7 yards. And when I say hit, I mean "make the chest cavity disappear" not "tag them in the arm" on their way to stab me. Trying to hit a moving target (in the dark) with a pistol is extremely difficult. Hitting a moving target (anytime) with a shotgun is almost like cheating it's so easy. And what's really great about the shotgun is you're not going to shoot through your neighbor's house as well. Shoot 17 rounds of .40cal through your bedroom and see where it ends up. Shoot a shot or two of #4 birdshot or 00Buck and it'll stop nicely inside the criminal or the sheetrock, at most the exterior wall. And then there's always "the club" aspect of a shotgun that's not present with a pistol. Once you're out of shots, it's like having a Louisville Slugger.

"But slim, my wife only weighs 50 kilos. Isn't a shotgun too heavy for her to lift and too big to carry around?" Ask yourself that question next times she's pissed off at you. I think you'll find she's more than capable of lifting and pointing a shotgun. As said above, add fear and adrenaline. If you really wanna see a woman pumped up, threaten her kids. Mama bear is not to be triffled with!

It's scary. The unmistakeable sound of the action being pumped strikes fear into anyone on the receiving end. The sight of the little woman clutching one (and pointing it in your direction) is enough to make even the hardest of criminals $#!t their pants. EVERYONE knows what shotguns are capable of. Smart criminals also know how hard it is to hit a moving target with a pistol. They may take that chance. Staring down the barrel of a 12ga., they're more apt to do as they're told and wait patiently for the cops to come save them. The Lady Smith and all the other little pink pistols are cool for concealed carry (once she's been properly trained and used to carrying a gun) but they have absolutely no business what-so-ever being a close-in defense gun. Pistols are what you use when you're not allowed to carry a long gun. At home, which would be where you'd encounter your close-in defense, you are allowed to carry a shotgun. Do it!

Another consideration is the price. A basic 12ga. pump from Wal-Mart is going to set you back appx. $200. Add a box or two of shells to that and you're looking at $250, tops. That's less than half the price of a good pistol. Now, personally, I dressed my shotgun up a little bit but my whole home defense rig was still about half the cost of my pistol. My shotgun, a Winchester 1300 Defender, was $250 and I added a synthetic pistol grip stock ($40) a flashlight with pressure switch ($90) and a shell-carrying sling ($15) for a grand total of less than $400. Add in a couple boxes of shells, and we now have the capability to light up the whole room, hit whatever we see, and still have enough money left over for a nice seafood dinner compared to what we would've spent on the new Glock that wouldn't do as good a job.

Last item, and probably the clencher, is safety. A shotgun can be stored loaded with shells and completely 100% safe if the shells are in the mag and the chamber is empty. A quick pump of the action, and it's fully loaded and ready to go. Plus, it's long, so there's no "accidental" shooting yourself. 9 times out of 10 when you hear about someone accidentally shooting themselves, it's with a pistol. It's just too hard to turn a long gun on yourself and shoot it. "But slim, what if the bad guy tries to turn it on my wife and shoot her with it?" Ah, in order for him to do that, wouldn't he have to pass over the business end first by reaching all the way over that loooong barrel?

I'm not knocking any particular gun here, and having any gun is better than having no gun. However, there are different guns suited for different missions and in this case, close-in defense, the 12ga. pump shotgun is the best. If you don't have one already, buy one. (And PM me first.... I'll go with you!)

my gym's holding a self-defense course next week. we can teach vika to kick some #######

If you think, for a second, that your gym's self-defense course is going to keep you safe at 2:00 in the morning, inside your own home, when an unknown person comes in to do you harm, then go ahead, spend your money on that training. But, if you'd like to survive the encounter without being victimized (or, more importantly, without your S/O being gang-raped while you watch) take whatever money you're going to spend on that "training" and go buy a 12ga. shotgun.

Now I'm not saying you shouldn't be trained in the "fists of fury" but you should get that training only after you're trained on the shotgun. Defense should be thought of from the farthest level in, not the closest level out. Engage the threat at the longest distance possible. Or RUN! I don't care how good someone's training is, there's absolutely no way (contrary to that J-Lo movie) that a 130 lb. woman is going to physically man-handle me. It's just not going to happen. I don't care if she's the MMA superstar, I'm still going to beat her into unconsciousness in a life or death fight. I do not want my wife in that situation, EVER! If it gets to the point where she needs to do some "hands on" stuff, she should apply it sparingly and then beat feet!

When she's at home, all alone, at night, am I more comfortable knowing she has the "gym's self defense course" or my shotgun and an extra box of shells?

Different tools for different missions. Physical self defense training isn't a bad thing, but an hour on the treadmill would benefit most of our wives way more than an hour of some so-called "expert" showing them arm bars and choke holds. Miss Congeniality was a great movie, but Benjamin Bratt would've beat the $#!t outta Sandra Bullock in a real fight. But if Sandra had her shotgun......

[Brad and Vika 129]

Good info. Slim, but I was looking for recommendations on guns she can conceal and carry. I never really thought about more than a pistol for the house (I have a few). I will talk shotgun with her today too.

[baron555 934]

I agree with Slim on the shotgun. You can get them with shorter 18 inch barrels which are perfect to wield around the house.

If you are still interested in a handgun, most will agree a revolver (wheel gun) is the easiest to operate, reload and shoot.

Semi-automatics do take some amount of skill to operate.

Of course one should take a gun safety and gun shooting course.

[slim 1,523]

Good info. Slim, but I was looking for recommendations on guns she can conceal and carry. I never really thought about more than a pistol for the house (I have a few). I will talk shotgun with her today too.

A pistol for the house is nice, but only if it helps you survive long enough to get to your shotgun!

Concealed carry is an entirely different animal. Your OP on this subject talked about close-in defense. Close-in implies that you're defending a certain place and the enemy is closing in on either your position or the resource you're trying to protect. Physical proximity to the threat isn't the same thing as close-in defense. (A technical term difference, that's all. I see what you're getting at now.) If someone is "close to" your wife, what should she shoot them with?

As said in my diatribe above, a shotgun is, hands down, what you want her to use at home. Let me first say that in any kind of threatening situation at home, a good deadbolt and phone call is probably more than enough protection for whatever is outside. Batton down the hatches and call 9-1-1. Make sure all the doors and windows are closed and then sit tight with the shotgun at the ready. (Ensuring the 9-1-1 operator verifies, TWICE, that responding officers know they're responding to an armed resident.) If the bad guy has already made it through the window or door, something went bump in the night, same thing. Close and lock the door of the room you're in and then call 9-1-1. Let the police come clear your house. There's absolutely no reason you have to run through each room hunting for the bad guy. That's their job, let them do it!

Now, being Eastern European ladies, I know the cobra neck is going to come out and the "unh uh! Oh no he didn't just break into MY house." is going to come into play and they'll probably want to actually confront (and probably want to make nakazhaniye for this stupid man) the criminal and go looking for him. Try to stress the importance of good defense is to survive the encounter, not to "win." If you live, then you win. Period. So what if someone comes crashing in and steals your TV? Maybe you could be armed and stop them or maybe they could have a buddy or two with them and you and your wife both die. For what? Your TV? Being secure in your home is a basic American Right, and I'm 100% for it, but there's also some common sense involved and minimizing your threat is the smartest thing you can do.

That takes us right into Concealed Carry.

First and foremost, check the laws. I looked at a few websites for KY, and one said they had to be a citizen to obtain a permit. Another, the KSP site, didn't have that listed so I don't know for sure. A quick phone call oughtta be able to clear that up for you. It goes without saying that she, and anyone else, should only carry within the letter of the law and for concealment, that means being licensed. The training for such licenses is a joke sometimes, so you may want to make sure she takes a good class and/or take it together. With your military background, I'm sure you could teach her more than enough for safe handling and employment and the class would just be a formality.

Here's where folks get somewhat mislead on Concealed Carry. Having a CCDW (Concealed Carry of a Deadly Weapon license - in Kentucky) gives you the privilege of carrying a weapon concealed. It doesn't give you a license to kill and it doesn't give you a right to go all vigilante and pull out on anyone you think is doing wrong. Concealed Carry is strictly to save your life and help increase your chances of surviving a possibly deadly scenario. To that end, there's an entire school of thought that a woman needs to carry a 44 magnum in her purse. The other side of that is you should have 52 rounds of ammo on your person at all times. Either way, having a gun is having a gun, and even a little .22cal derringer is going to make a rapist think twice. That's the whole intent of concealed carry. To stop someone from victimizing you in a violent crime that could possibly end your life. (And yes, rape is one of those crimes.)

Let me stress again that running will save your life more often than shooting. There are very, very few scenarios in modern life that can't be immediately changed simply by relocating quickly. Running away from a threat is not "losing" - it's "tactically repositioning" in an effort to remove yourself from a situation where death could soon follow. If death attempts to follow, well, that's when it's time for death to meet Mr. Snubby. Our wives, being 130lb. women, should never, ever, ever choose to fight when there's a flight option. (In Ohio, there used to be a duty to flee before using CCW) However, if it's one of those scenarios where running to a safe place and calling 9-1-1 is not available, then it's time for some hardware.

I could go for hours here but I'll do my best to sum up quickly. Most importantly, get her a gun that she's comfortable shooting and that fits her hands well. For most women that's going to be something .38cal (9mm) or smaller and either a small-framed revolver or sub-compact semi. There's huge debate over what to carry and when, but the way I see it, if you have something that you can rely on because you know how to use it and you're not afraid to use it, then you don't need something super fancy. Remember, it's to get you out of a situation, not to single-handedly hold off the zombies. Like I said above, there are guys who want to carry full-framed Glocks with 52 rounds "just in case" and then there are little old ladies who carry a snub-nosed 38 special (six shot revolver) in their purse. Both are highly effective for CCDW.

Personally, I carry a Para Warthawg. (Told you I like the shotguns. I can't fit my 1300 in my pocket, but this is the next best thing!) It's a compact .45cal 1911 semi-auto with 10+1 capacity and I carry it tucked inside my waistband, locked and loaded. Carrying a 1911 in that manner is completely safe and very quickly accessible. It's comfortable for me and I'm pretty sure with 11 rounds of .45cal hollow points I can get myself out of just about any situation.

But, there's no way I'd dream of my wife carrying that thing, it's just too much gun for her. She tried to ####### it and could barely pull the slide back. She knows how to use it though and in life or death, I'm sure she'd be fine. But for her to carry that thing every day it would be way too heavy, too big for her hands, and she wouldn't be comfortable using it and thus it would drop her effectiveness. Better for her to have something a little smaller and a little lighter. We haven't bought a gun for her yet although she's gaining more and more interest in it. Hopefully soon we'll go shopping for her. That's the only time I'll agree to go shopping with her!

Common "ladies' guns" are going to be the Lady Smith and various other small revolvers. Ruger just came out with an awesome little carry gun called the LCR. (Check it out at the Ruger website.) And now that CCDW is really taking off there are many makers coming out with pink pistols and other "girly" guns. Something like a Bersa Thunder in 9mm or .380 or the Kahr K-series in the same are good carry guns if she likes the semis. One of my buddies recently bought herself a Taurus Millenium in 9mm. She's not the "dainty type" but it's plenty small enough for her to conceal. (3rd grade school teacher, no less!)

She should absolutely have "her gun" for carry. She can use one of yours to train and get used to shooting, but for carry, it's as much an accessory as it is an arm, and it should be tailored for her individual needs. A trip to Bass Pro, Gander Mtn., Cabelas, OOOH, or Knob Creek Range!, would be a good way for her to sample many different styles and find one that's right for her. One thing you may want to consider also is the availability and cost of ammo. 9mm is getting harder and harder to find now and .380 is more expensive than gold. Something like .38 isn't too expensive and push comes to shove, you can fire it out of a .357 mag if needed. But, it all depends on what she likes!

And don't forget about the shotgun!

I agree with Slim on the shotgun. You can get them with shorter 18 inch barrels which are perfect to wield around the house.

If you are still interested in a handgun, most will agree a revolver (wheel gun) is the easiest to operate, reload and shoot.

Semi-automatics do take some amount of skill to operate.

Of course one should take a gun safety and gun shooting course.

A "home defense" shotgun shouldn't come from Wal-Mart with the standard 28" modified choke bird hunting barrel. But, for the price, it will get the job done. If you get the "slug barrel" (usually an 18.5" unrifled barrel with improved sights or a rifled barrel with rifle sights) with it as part of a combo deal or simply as a "slug gun" it will do the job extremely well. Take the plug out of the mag and you've got 5+1 in a shotty that's short enough to whip around pretty well, easy to aim, and still carries a big can o' whoop @$$.

Handguns - revolvers vs. semis. This is the million dollar question and there's really no hotter debate in the gun world. What it really comes down to is personal preference. Time was when revolvers were more reliable than semis or semis were more accurate than revolvers but with modern firearms (new in the box, current production) they're both extremely well made and pretty level in all categories. It just comes down to what you like. I prefer semis, but I would feel completely comfortable with a revolver in a CCW situation. I would probably be more comfortable knowing my wife carried a revolver.

I had a young lady friend go to the gun show with me a few months back and she wanted to buy a "small handgun to carry in her purse or keep in the nightstand" and she was looking at various different types of guns. The only one she could come close to affording (better budget at least $350 for a decent one) was a small derringer. Since she didn't know what a safety was or how to load it, etc., she ended up not buying anything. There's no way I would've let her buy that ####### anyway, but we basically came out of the show with the idea that she should save her money for a few months and then buy a decent little double action only (trigger squeeze moves hammer all the way back, cocking the gun and then dropping the hammer on the firing pin to fire it) revolver in either .22cal or .38cal so she doesn't have to worry about loading and unloading, safety, etc. Only just pull the trigger and shoot. Plus, it would be small enough for her to use and the ammo would be easy to find and cheap. She still hasn't bought one.... guess we'll have to go shopping too!

[norrin 3]

Cheburashka haha Ok not really. I learned about 10 words or Phrases back in high school. However the first word I learned from my Natasha was Cheburaska. Does anyone know what this thing actually is? looks like a mon chi chi

Frank

[K1researcher 0]

Good info. Slim, but I was looking for recommendations on guns she can conceal and carry. I never really thought about more than a pistol for the house (I have a few). I will talk shotgun with her today too.

Seriously, get her a http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/sto...amp;isFirearm=Y

it takes 357 mag or 38p rounds. the 38p will handle fine in her haind, but it is small enough it is easily concealable. It does not have a hammer to get snagged etc etc etc. I can not rave about this gun enough for a small gun. The single action and lack of hammer also aids immensely in legal disputes if it is ever used.

for home slim is 100% correct. I have a Remington tactical with 00 TAP slugs

[Brad and Vika 129]

Good info. Slim, but I was looking for recommendations on guns she can conceal and carry. I never really thought about more than a pistol for the house (I have a few). I will talk shotgun with her today too.

Seriously, get her a http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/sto...amp;isFirearm=Y

it takes 357 mag or 38p rounds. the 38p will handle fine in her haind, but it is small enough it is easily concealable. It does not have a hammer to get snagged etc etc etc. I can not rave about this gun enough for a small gun. The single action and lack of hammer also aids immensely in legal disputes if it is ever used.

for home slim is 100% correct. I have a Remington tactical with 00 TAP slugs

I already have a Ruger wheel gun that takes 357 or 38s. Too big/heavy for her purse. I'm thinking maybe a 9mm or a 32.

[slim 1,523]

Cheburashka haha Ok not really. I learned about 10 words or Phrases back in high school. However the first word I learned from my Natasha was Cheburaska. Does anyone know what this thing actually is? looks like a mon chi chi

Cheburashka is awesome! I have one that my wife presented to me when I went to visit her. I know the little song he sings. I never watched the show, but I did see Cheburashka everywhere when I went over there. (The little guy is so popular over there they have a Russian military plane knicknamed "Cheburashka.")

Seriously, get her a http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/sto...amp;isFirearm=Y

it takes 357 mag or 38p rounds. the 38p will handle fine in her haind, but it is small enough it is easily concealable. It does not have a hammer to get snagged etc etc etc. I can not rave about this gun enough for a small gun. The single action and lack of hammer also aids immensely in legal disputes if it is ever used.

That looks like a great pistol for CC. I've actually thought about switching to a small, hammerless DAO revolver for the size, weight, and safety. For now, I'll stick to my Warthawg but if I had to carry in an office or something, that's definitely what I'd go with.

Legality is the last thing on my mind when it comes to justified shootings. The type of firearm has very little to do with being acquited of wrongdoing. There's this perception out there that if you have a large automatic that's "evil-looking" and holds 17 rounds, you'll be seen by a prosecutor or judge and jury as somewhat of a vigilante or that you were out "looking for trouble." I could see that coming into play in a case that's kind of "ify" but if you're ever actually going to use your CC gun, it should be well beyond a shadow of a doubt that you were about to die and had to shoot to protect your own life. In that case, it wouldn't matter if you had a sub-machine Uzi. The evidence should be overwhelming.

Isn't that Smith DAO? (A hammerless revolver would be hard to cycle in single action!)

I already have a Ruger wheel gun that takes 357 or 38s. Too big/heavy for her purse. I'm thinking maybe a 9mm or a 32.

Wrong quote here (slippery fingers) but anyway, a 9mm or 32 would be about right for her. Any thoughts on which one?

[K1researcher 0]

haha i meant double action its DAO.

that is a backup piece as my primary carry is the Sig P229 DAK with 357Sig again lacking a hammer for catching

if they would allow it id carry my P90 though :-P

[mox 298]

and the first word i learned was pojoustia,i used to manage a pizza hut,and right next door was a ukrainian coffee shop,they started me on the russian language,then rosetta stone took over............korska...sabacca...slon......loshadt

And thus why I don't recommend Rosetta Stone to anyone.

And yes, welcome!

Какой пирог?

It's not quite a direct translation, but it means "pie." More commonly, the boiled dumplings you might have sampled while over in the motherland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi .

Cheburashka haha Ok not really. I learned about 10 words or Phrases back in high school. However the first word I learned from my Natasha was Cheburaska. Does anyone know what this thing actually is? looks like a mon chi chi

Cannonically, nobody knows what Cheburashka is. Which is why the zoo rejected him when the grocer tried to give him to them. My guess is that it was a secret CIA biological weapon designed to overwhelm the workers with extreme cuteness, thus cutting into their productivity and weakening the collective.

Edited April 29, 2009 by mox

[eekee 182]

Какой пирог?

It's not quite a direct translation, but it means "pie." More commonly, the boiled dumplings you might have sampled while over in the motherland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi

They come from the same root, but pirog does NOT mean pierogi. Pierogis are closer to vareniki. Pirog is simply pie, nothing more.

I think какой пирог referred to the fact that the server replaced my hotlinked image with a pink square. Oops.

[slim 1,523]

that is a backup piece as my primary carry is the Sig P229 DAK with 357Sig again lacking a hammer for catching

if they would allow it id carry my P90 though :-P

I have a hammer on my carry piece and of the times I've practiced pulling out, I haven't had any issues with it snagging. Then again, it is rounded and skeletonized plus it's pretty small. The real issue I have when grabbing for my gun is wrapping my entire hand around the grip, T-shirt and all. I'll go to pull it out and when I bring it up to present, it stops about half way and my T-shirt is now half way up my side. I end up leaning way over to my strong side holding my pistol sideways (inverted gangsta style) showing off my fat belly, and looking like I need a V-8. But, probably better to look like a doofus holding a .45 than to just look like a doofus.

As for the P90, fine weapon, but I just can't get used to the bullpups. They're nice, convenient, compact, easy to use, accurate.... all the things you'd want in a rifle or carbine. But, like polymer framed pistols, they just don't feel right for me. I guess I'm just old school in that aspect. Not so old school that I want to carry around an M-1, but I like making my support arm tired too. Why should my trigger arm have all the fun?

My guess is that it was a secret CIA biological weapon designed to overwhelm the workers with extreme cuteness, thus cutting into their productivity and weakening the collective.

Hence the resemblance to Mickey Mouse. Although, if it would've been CIA, it's name would've been something more "Russian." (Those are sarcastic quotes.) Even Russians have no idea what Cheburashka is. I'm thinking something more along the lines of "Dvooshki."

[Brad and Vika 129]

Wrong quote here (slippery fingers) but anyway, a 9mm or 32 would be about right for her. Any thoughts on which one?

Hadn't really thought at all past that. I am learning that when I think too much, there will usually be something about my well-thought-through opinion that she doesn't like (just on principle), so my solution is rejected - all that thinking wasted. Best to let her try a few. Then she will no doubt examine the stats, carefully consider the investment value and ease of use for each, then pick the one that is cutest, or the one that she thinks is the best accessory.