Children of the Mountains Struggle to Survive

[peejay 327]

They don't care because both parties are trying to usurp that vote when they become citizens. They are posturing and the Socialists definately ahead in that area. I just read somewhere last week that from the Dems that there was going to have to be meaningful rules for the illegals to become legal soon and they were going to be working on that soon. They could care less about what we think and trust me the Neocons would do the same if those votes would come their way.

Yes, that ####### Harry Reid already has bill S.9 on the Senate agenda for illegal alien amnesty. The economy tanks, unemployment is steadily rising, and the Dims concern is that illegal aliens get citizenship so they can vote Dim. Who sez crime don't pay?

Yes...the friend of the American worker shows their true colors. They reward illegal aliens so it can incentivize even more illegal immigration. The only deterent to illegal immigration the Dims are about is to deter any deterents to illegal immigration.

It is sad how our country continues to slide down the toilet, but it is self induced. Who keeps electing and reelecting these azzwipes?

The only change going on is the faces inside the suits. Same old sh*t.

[rebeccajo 14]

peejay -

Have you forgotten that you are married to an immigrant?

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

peejay -

Have you forgotten that you are married to an immigrant?

i'm guessing that pj's wife is legal, whereas pj is railing against illegals.

[peejay 327]

peejay -

Have you forgotten that you are married to an immigrant?

I don't quite get what point you are trying to make. That because my wife or ancestors are or were immigrants that anyone and everyone should be able to immigrate in unlimited numbers without any restriction? Totally open borders without any rules or restriction?

If that is you point...I totally disagree. That is absurd as well as stupid.

[Danno 1,228]

Well as usual I always try to come at it from another angle.

Granted times are tight right now.... but why did these people not pack-up and head to an area which offered more opportunity when jobs were a'pleanty?..... that is, the American legacy!~

Who ever made a promise to these people that there would always be work? Automation has killed their line of work years ago as it did to the textile industry and many others.

Industries come and go man and the last thing we need to do is encourage these folks to stay put, hoping for a better day.... while living off the tax payer. The result of this will be more kids born in these depressed areas with little or no future.

We need to tie any social service offered to these folks two things, skill training and public service so we can sort out the free loaders from the truly desperate.

Every thing should be aimed at moving these people out of a place with no future.

This is exactly what I did when I moved to Charlotte some years ago and I bet a lot of you did as well. The Job to housing price ratio was too great in NJ so I got out.

To me this is no different than welfare Moms in the ghettos expecting someone to "do for them" when they are living a life of their own doing. Who made them drop out of school? Get caught up in drugs or get involved in bad relationships?

Not me, so don't expect me to pull your wagon while you are sitting in it.

Does anyone think a monthly check is going to change their life? The main reason those people stayed right there when the rest of the country was doing good is because of these damn Govt hand-outs.

And I know you see those kids with dirty faces living in a school bus... the first instinct is to "do something".

I'm all for that but, the easiest thing TO DO is typically the very thing which causes these children of these kids to have the same life.

This country has always been the land of opportunity (and it will be again) for those who seek it, some just need a push.

[rebeccajo 14]

peejay -

Have you forgotten that you are married to an immigrant?

I don't quite get what point you are trying to make. That because my wife or ancestors are or were immigrants that anyone and everyone should be able to immigrate in unlimited numbers without any restriction? Totally open borders without any rules or restriction?

If that is you point...I totally disagree. That is absurd as well as stupid.

My point is that the 'hotbed' issue of illegals doesn't help our legally admitted spouses.

It's not imaginary on my part (or stupid) that the more laws we try to craft to keep out 'illegals' the more we make it difficult for those who entered legally to work and live.

E-verify is screwed up and that's why there is a hue and cry about it. You want employers to use a system that creates false hits? You want employers to use a system that gives out information about someone's legal status from USCIS data? From that data that ALL OF US HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY know runs grindingly slow?

It takes someone how long now to adjust from conditional perm to non-conditional permanent resident? Six months? A year? What is E-verify gonna tell an employer about my husband's status? That he's good till April 20, 2010 - just because it takes them freaking ages to get their work done! Well gee, thanks!

The hue and cry against illegals makes it harder and harder for immigrants like your wife to live and work in America. Or is it just that we don't want immigrants anymore? Is that what it's REALLY about?

You might want to read this:

http://www.ilw.com/articles/2008,0103-siskind.shtm

How reliable is E-Verify in accurately identifying unauthorized employees? What other problems are showing up in the system?

On November 21, 2007, USCIS released a report it commissioned from Westat, Inc. which it retained to evaluate E-Verify. While the report found that the number of false positives has decreased (the numbers have gone from 79% of queries approved to 92%), there are still numerous problems.

E-Verify does not detect identity theft. In fact, Swift and Company, the meat processing company that was raided early in 2007 and had more than 1500 employees arrested, used the E-Verify system. The employees subject to the raid were accused of identity theft. The new photo tool in E-Verify is designed to address this problem.

One of the more disturbing findings in the Westat report found that foreign-born, work-authorized employees are much more likely to receive a tentative non-confirmation than a US-born employee. In fact, the foreign-born are thirty times more likely to receive a false-positive non-confirmation than a US-born employee.

The Westat report also reported on employer compliance problems with E-Verify including a failure to properly train employees using E-Verify, employers terminating workers improperly and other employers not promptly firing employees who receive final nonconfirmation notices. Employers were also found to be restricting work assignments, delaying training, reducing pay, or requiring employees to work longer hours during the period when a non-confirmation is being tested.

The Westat report can be found online at

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/WebBasi...prtSept2007.pdf.

Edited February 16, 2009 by rebeccajo

[Brad and Vika 129]

peejay -

Have you forgotten that you are married to an immigrant?

I don't quite get what point you are trying to make. That because my wife or ancestors are or were immigrants that anyone and everyone should be able to immigrate in unlimited numbers without any restriction? Totally open borders without any rules or restriction?

If that is you point...I totally disagree. That is absurd as well as stupid.

My point is that the 'hotbed' issue of illegals doesn't help our legally admitted spouses.

It's not imaginary on my part (or stupid) that the more laws we try to craft to keep out 'illegals' the more we make it difficult for those who entered legally to work and live.

E-verify is screwed up and that's why there is a hue and cry about it. You want employers to use a system that creates false hits? You want employers to use a system that gives out information about someone's legal status from USCIS data? From that data that ALL OF US HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY know runs grindingly slow?

It takes someone how long now to adjust from conditional perm to non-conditional permanent resident? Six months? A year? What is E-verify gonna tell an employer about my husband's status? That he's good till April 20, 2010 - just because it takes them freaking ages to get their work done! Well gee, thanks!

The hue and cry against illegals makes it harder and harder for immigrants like your wife to live and work in America. Or is it just that we don't want immigrants anymore? Is that what it's REALLY about?

You might want to read this:

http://www.ilw.com/articles/2008,0103-siskind.shtm

How reliable is E-Verify in accurately identifying unauthorized employees? What other problems are showing up in the system?

On November 21, 2007, USCIS released a report it commissioned from Westat, Inc. which it retained to evaluate E-Verify. While the report found that the number of false positives has decreased (the numbers have gone from 79% of queries approved to 92%), there are still numerous problems.

E-Verify does not detect identity theft. In fact, Swift and Company, the meat processing company that was raided early in 2007 and had more than 1500 employees arrested, used the E-Verify system. The employees subject to the raid were accused of identity theft. The new photo tool in E-Verify is designed to address this problem.

One of the more disturbing findings in the Westat report found that foreign-born, work-authorized employees are much more likely to receive a tentative non-confirmation than a US-born employee. In fact, the foreign-born are thirty times more likely to receive a false-positive non-confirmation than a US-born employee.

The Westat report also reported on employer compliance problems with E-Verify including a failure to properly train employees using E-Verify, employers terminating workers improperly and other employers not promptly firing employees who receive final nonconfirmation notices. Employers were also found to be restricting work assignments, delaying training, reducing pay, or requiring employees to work longer hours during the period when a non-confirmation is being tested.

The Westat report can be found online at

http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/WebBasi...prtSept2007.pdf.

I am not sure why laws to exclude or deport illegals would effect our spouses/SOs at all. I also find it strange that many people (USCs and others) seem to think that the US, unlike every other country, should not have the right to regulate and screen all people who want to come here. This amnesty ####### for example just encourages people to come here illegally and try to hide out until they qualify to stay. That kind of law definitely gets in the way of people who want to jump through all the frustrating hoops to get here through the front door.

[Jasman0717 9]

[Caladan 19]

Because the laws are badly designed. Look at how hard a time legal immigrants have getting legal driver's licenses in some states. It's not affecting illegal immigrants, just the legal ones. I would be very worried that eVerify makes it impossible for new legal immigrants to obtain work because USCIS won't update the work authorization information efficiently.

Or gives accurately information with no context; we have to remove conditions in November. Is it going to say that C. is only legal until November? It's going to take a year then for them to stamp another form. Is it going to say "pending" for a year? Pretend you know nothing about immigration, and you have a choice between hiring a citizen and someone whose information says "expires 11/17/09." Who are you going to hire? I think things like eVerify are good ideas but I want to be very sure that it's not going to mean forced unemployment for my husband.

And outside of an immigration board, almost no one cares about the difference between legal and illegal -- all they hear is immigrant. (And they think those that are married to citizens are automatically citizens. And most people don't check papers. They just "know." This is why people think the lady who runs the burrito cart is Mexican even though she's from Malaysia.) And the (false) public perception of the marriage class of visas is a bunch of guys seeking young women who are using them. So if eVerify makes 8% of legal people work ineligible, most people aren't going to care about the immigrants that affects, because most people don't know enough about how immigration works and they don't want foreigners here anyway.

[peejay 327]

Because the laws are badly designed. Look at how hard a time legal immigrants have getting legal driver's licenses in some states. It's not affecting illegal immigrants, just the legal ones. I would be very worried that eVerify makes it impossible for new legal immigrants to obtain work because USCIS won't update the work authorization information efficiently.

Or gives accurately information with no context; we have to remove conditions in November. Is it going to say that C. is only legal until November? It's going to take a year then for them to stamp another form. Is it going to say "pending" for a year? Pretend you know nothing about immigration, and you have a choice between hiring a citizen and someone whose information says "expires 11/17/09." Who are you going to hire? I think things like eVerify are good ideas but I want to be very sure that it's not going to mean forced unemployment for my husband.

And outside of an immigration board, almost no one cares about the difference between legal and illegal -- all they hear is immigrant. (And they think those that are married to citizens are automatically citizens. And most people don't check papers. They just "know." This is why people think the lady who runs the burrito cart is Mexican even though she's from Malaysia.) And the (false) public perception of the marriage class of visas is a bunch of guys seeking young women who are using them. So if eVerify makes 8% of legal people work ineligible, most people aren't going to care about the immigrants that affects, because most people don't know enough about how immigration works and they don't want foreigners here anyway.

So where do you get your stats that E-Verify is 8% inacurate? I keep reading from various sources that it is 99.5% accurate. But knowing the liberal mindset the world should stop turning and we shouldn't do anything unless it is 100% perfect. Yes...let's pander once again to the lowest common denominator. Heaven forbid if it inconveniences one in a million that would have to go through some extra effort to get a discrepancy straightened out. In the mean time we just hire millions of illegal aliens to the detriment of millions of unemployed citizens. I'm sure millions of unemployed Americans buy into that stupid logic....not!

Really...if the USA can put a man on the moon and debit card purchases can be made instantaniously in a supermarket line, E-Verify can be done. The problem is that the usual suspects use every lie and excuse to keep it from happening.

Edited February 16, 2009 by peejay

[almaty 19]

th9is is not the only area..go to some indian reservation, where there is no casino for revenue

[MrsCat 6]

th9is is not the only area..go to some indian reservation, where there is no casino for revenue

That's what I told my husband. Living like that is like living on just about any Indian reservation in Canada. Its a tough life to get out of.

The sad part I found was the external locus. That belief in God alone was going to make things better. I guess when that's all you have left, its some form of hope. But how damn depressing.

[Heracles 417]

Was raised that charity begins at home. Somewhere that message was lost. World policeman indeed. Just think what a fraction of this countries wealth we have shipped overseas could have done.

It's true. I see a lot of people here on VJ more worried about an illegal alien than they are about their own people.

The Stimulus bill that just passed Congress is a perfect example. The pricks that voted for it just couldn't force themselves to exclude illegal aliens from stimulus jobs as the US economy tanks and hemorhages jobs by the millions. Stimulus employers are not required to use E-Verify. Not to mention that funding for E-Verify will be allowed to expire in March. What kind of stupidness is that? Especially now.

The US continues to import thousands of foreign workers monthly even as the economy sheds US jobs by the thousands every month. This makes no sense.

If this is change...Obama and the Dims can cram it where the sun don't shine. Friend of the American worker? Don't look like it to me. You can bet that whatever strategy they have takes their own best interests first and foremost. You can count on it.

You said it.

It's a bloody joke that there is not one stipulation to ensure American citizens and legal residents only benefit from the stimulus.

[Ban Hammer 13,337]

Was raised that charity begins at home. Somewhere that message was lost. World policeman indeed. Just think what a fraction of this countries wealth we have shipped overseas could have done.

It's true. I see a lot of people here on VJ more worried about an illegal alien than they are about their own people.

The Stimulus bill that just passed Congress is a perfect example. The pricks that voted for it just couldn't force themselves to exclude illegal aliens from stimulus jobs as the US economy tanks and hemorhages jobs by the millions. Stimulus employers are not required to use E-Verify. Not to mention that funding for E-Verify will be allowed to expire in March. What kind of stupidness is that? Especially now.

The US continues to import thousands of foreign workers monthly even as the economy sheds US jobs by the thousands every month. This makes no sense.

If this is change...Obama and the Dims can cram it where the sun don't shine. Friend of the American worker? Don't look like it to me. You can bet that whatever strategy they have takes their own best interests first and foremost. You can count on it.

You said it.

It's a bloody joke that there is not one stipulation to ensure American citizens and legal residents only benefit from the stimulus.

makes ya wonder who's country is really being stimulated here, eh?

[Heracles 417]

Really...if the USA can put a man on the moon and debit card purchases can be made instantaniously in a supermarket line, E-Verify can be done. The problem is that the usual suspects use every lie and excuse to keep it from happening.

Quite a simple process actually. There are various employers in Australia who as to see everyone's passport to verify legal employment status. Immigrants will obviously have the appropriate visa's in their passport. It's a quick, cheap and error-free verification.

Edited February 17, 2009 by Aficionado