"Proof" of ongoing relationship?

[karenrobert831 0]

We started talking online in october of '07, we met in person in january of '08 and have been together ever since, so aside from about 2 months worth of instant message archives in november and december of '07, we dont really have any "documented proof of an ongoing relationship" (there's no need to call each other or send letters or emails when we are living together, right?) Is this proof of ongoing relationship essential to include in the I-129F package? We do have photos of us from thoughout the last year, but as I said before, nothing on paper. We have all our ticket stubs from flights and what not to prove we were in the same place at the same time, does this fall under the proof of relationship catergory or just the proof of having met catergory? Is there a chance we will get denied if we dont have any solid proof?

[Joe_&_Nadiya 1]

Pictures and ticket stubs are good enough.... I had the same problem and got approved.

Good luck

Joe

[pushbrk 13,125]

We started talking online in october of '07, we met in person in january of '08 and have been together ever since, so aside from about 2 months worth of instant message archives in november and december of '07, we dont really have any "documented proof of an ongoing relationship" (there's no need to call each other or send letters or emails when we are living together, right?) Is this proof of ongoing relationship essential to include in the I-129F package? We do have photos of us from thoughout the last year, but as I said before, nothing on paper. We have all our ticket stubs from flights and what not to prove we were in the same place at the same time, does this fall under the proof of relationship catergory or just the proof of having met catergory? Is there a chance we will get denied if we dont have any solid proof?

Where do you see an indication you need to include such evidence with your petition?

[karenrobert831 0]

In the K-1 Visa guidelines here on Visa Journey, I copied and pasted the whole thing, but specifically #3 below:

Documentary Proof of Having Met in Person in the Past Two Years and an Ongoing Relationship:

Use as many of these items are possible. There is no minimum,

but the more you can provide the less likely you are that you will receive an RFE.

1. Copies of all airline boarding passes, train passes, itineraries, hotel receipts, passport stamps (make sure you can read the dates on the stamps), and other documentary evidence that you have met within the last two years. You may want to highlight or place post-it notes indicating the dates and locations on the copies (to make the adjudication easier) for the person reviewing your file.

2. Color Photo's of you and your fiance(e) together. Make sure you write your names, date, and location on the back of every photo. Provide two to five photo's. If you only have a single copy of the photo, then make a color copy and send that. If it is a digital photo, have it printed at a company such as kodakgallery.com. You can also make duplicates of photo's at your local photo store (Walgreeens, CVS, etc). Place photo's in a plastic bag or photo sheet and label the sheet. Note that you may not receive originals of photo's back.

3. The following items will not typically show proof of having met in the last two years however will show proof of an ongoing relationship: Copies of phone bills, cell phone bills, emails (you can edit personal info with a marker), letters (edit personal info also), stamps on the letters (to document the date they were sent), and other written documentary proof. Provide a reasonable amount; two to four of each type. Pick a range of dates up to and including the present. You can also include a copy of engagement ring receipt (this is something that is a big optional - do not worry if you do not have a ring yet!)

[pushbrk 13,125]

In the K-1 Visa guidelines here on Visa Journey, I copied and pasted the whole thing, but specifically #3 below:

Documentary Proof of Having Met in Person in the Past Two Years and an Ongoing Relationship:

Use as many of these items are possible. There is no minimum,

but the more you can provide the less likely you are that you will receive an RFE.

1. Copies of all airline boarding passes, train passes, itineraries, hotel receipts, passport stamps (make sure you can read the dates on the stamps), and other documentary evidence that you have met within the last two years. You may want to highlight or place post-it notes indicating the dates and locations on the copies (to make the adjudication easier) for the person reviewing your file.

2. Color Photo's of you and your fiance(e) together. Make sure you write your names, date, and location on the back of every photo. Provide two to five photo's. If you only have a single copy of the photo, then make a color copy and send that. If it is a digital photo, have it printed at a company such as kodakgallery.com. You can also make duplicates of photo's at your local photo store (Walgreeens, CVS, etc). Place photo's in a plastic bag or photo sheet and label the sheet. Note that you may not receive originals of photo's back.

3. The following items will not typically show proof of having met in the last two years however will show proof of an ongoing relationship: Copies of phone bills, cell phone bills, emails (you can edit personal info with a marker), letters (edit personal info also), stamps on the letters (to document the date they were sent), and other written documentary proof. Provide a reasonable amount; two to four of each type. Pick a range of dates up to and including the present. You can also include a copy of engagement ring receipt (this is something that is a big optional - do not worry if you do not have a ring yet!)

I guess that can be confusing. You won't see anything from 3. above in the assembly instructions or listed in the I-129F instructions. Unless you have red flags to directly address, you can save all that for the interview. With the petition, you are required to show evidence of meeting in person during the past two years.

[ikarus 1]

We started talking online in october of '07, we met in person in january of '08 and have been together ever since, so aside from about 2 months worth of instant message archives in november and december of '07, we dont really have any "documented proof of an ongoing relationship" (there's no need to call each other or send letters or emails when we are living together, right?) Is this proof of ongoing relationship essential to include in the I-129F package? We do have photos of us from thoughout the last year, but as I said before, nothing on paper. We have all our ticket stubs from flights and what not to prove we were in the same place at the same time, does this fall under the proof of relationship catergory or just the proof of having met catergory? Is there a chance we will get denied if we dont have any solid proof?

For proof of having met in person, we sent plane tickets and photocopy of my passport with the page that had the stamp when I entered my fiance's country. At the time, i stayed at her place, so when i sent in my stuff i was worried because i thought that wouldn't be enough, and maybe i should have had some hotel proof. I got approved so my worries were irrelevant.

For ongoing relationship, I submitted photos of us together, and they were dated, along with some postcards I had sent to my fiance at the time; since we use gmail, we filtered the emails, and we took screenshots of the last 2 months of emails. When my fiance (now wife) went for the interview, she told me she only saw them looking at the pics, and didn't even bother to see at the other stuff we sent in. They did ask for my tax returns, and we had that ready. So relax and send in what you have. I think what really matters is that you can prove that you met in person, and that you can support the fiance.

[Dakine 26]

Where are you living?

If in UK have you considered doing a DCF?

If in the US why no marry and adjust status?

[karenrobert831 0]

i live in USA my fiancee is from england

we have spoken to an immigration lawyer and she didn't convince us that getting married here in the US (while my fiancee is over here under the vwp) would be legal and we didn't want to risk denial

[pushbrk 13,125]

i live in USA my fiancee is from england

we have spoken to an immigration lawyer and she didn't convince us that getting married here in the US (while my fiancee is over here under the vwp) would be legal and we didn't want to risk denial

That clears up any confusion about your circumstances but be assured there's no problem marrying "under the vwp" as long as he leaves the US and completes a spouse visa process. Sounds like K1 is a better choice for you.

[bora bora 1]

i live in USA my fiancee is from england

we have spoken to an immigration lawyer and she didn't convince us that getting married here in the US (while my fiancee is over here under the vwp) would be legal and we didn't want to risk denial

Finally good advice.

Good luck in your journey!

[FCH 1]

youre good.

we didnt have enough phonecall records, tickets or receipts together... etc. although we got an RFE.

but we sent more of what we just had - more pics and emails and chat archives and just carefully provided the other requirements.

and got approved - when all i had was a thin envelope of evidence and others had a whole stack of them.

you'll be alright. good luck!

Edited February 15, 2009 by PrettyFlower

[MonkeyJuice 3]

We started talking online in october of '07, we met in person in january of '08 and have been together ever since, so aside from about 2 months worth of instant message archives in november and december of '07, we dont really have any "documented proof of an ongoing relationship" (there's no need to call each other or send letters or emails when we are living together, right?) Is this proof of ongoing relationship essential to include in the I-129F package? We do have photos of us from thoughout the last year, but as I said before, nothing on paper. We have all our ticket stubs from flights and what not to prove we were in the same place at the same time, does this fall under the proof of relationship catergory or just the proof of having met catergory? Is there a chance we will get denied if we dont have any solid proof?

How have you managed to be together all this time? The visa waiver is only valid for 90 days. Just curious as our K1 is taking forever! would be nice to be together too!

[karenrobert831 0]

my fiancee was living in Spain when we met online, so i went over there first, then we came back to the US for 3 months, then back to Spain where I stayed the better part of 7 months (there was never anyone at the passport control in Spain, so I dont know how long I was "allowed" to stay or anything, but I was able to leave without a problem) and obviously her being an EU citizen meant she could come and go as she pleased. she worked as a real estate agent there, so she had some money saved up to fly us around when we needed to leave do to visa expirations, but thats all but gone now so we are having to get proper jobs in our respective countries and are going to have to be apart for a few months